Devs..instead of ruining perks and buffing bt just to bandaid fix legion without solving an issue
Just get rid of the dw, instead just give him the begrimed chains affect..reduce repairs until healed or something instead..i for one am tired of cool perks and ideas being ruined once again because of legion..the dw mechanic has been nothing but a menace and it doesnt even help him hardly anymore..please..just give him something different so he no longer is a shackle to the game..I want legion to be better..I dont want him making everything worse
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how's borrowed being buffed?
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Thanks to the legion borrowed time has been buffed about 3 times since his release..he also got nurses calling changed to be less useful on most killers anymore , inevitably the devs will likely change dw yet again to be immune to oblivious therefore breaking the rules on survivors behalf just because they wont take dw away from the legion..and it's now being nothing but a weight on the game
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We did not change Deep Wound time just to "fix" Legion. It was an idea we came up with that could help with the Legion frustration problems, but then we evaluated it and the other ramifications it would have. We decided that it was a good idea for several reasons and went with it.
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Have you guys reconsidered your stance on legion's power re: mobility vs tracking trade-off? I remember you(?) making a post some time ago saying that the removal of scratch marks while using Legion's power was intentional since it wouldn't be fair if Legion happened across scratch marks while traversing the map with their power.
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But no one has been complaining about Legion? After Legion's first big update that pretty much shut up everyone, and the reduced compatibility with perks if definitely a huge nerf, largely outweighing the small buffs to Legion's movement speed, not to mention these buff to Legion's movement speed don't matter while the HUGE 4 second stun still exists. Sure, it might be nice to move a bit faster as Legion, but the reduced compatibility with Legion's arguably 2 most useful perks that compliment their power, Sloppy Butcher and STBFL completely outweigh the positives. The main reason Legion's power is bad is because of the 4 second stun, and now Deep Wounds is basically useless.
Legion's slowdown potential had been completely eradicated. People haven't been complaining about being frustrated going against Legion since their huge nerf during the summer, I've only heard people calling for Legion to be buffed in any way, shape, or form. Instead we get another huge nerf to Legion, while completely overlooking the 4 second stun, which makes using Feral Frenzy more of a drawback than a power now.
As of now, there is absolutely no reason to use Feral Frenzy. Deep Wounds can be ignored and is barely a threat unless your action key somehow breaks, you can't down anybody with their power, the 4 second stun makes Feral Frenzy absolutely useless, survivors will get so much ground on you while you are stunned. It's faster to get hit with a pallet to end Feral Frenzy than ending it manually. Now that all of Legion's synergy with perks and Feral Frenzy has been removed, there is no point in using Feral Frenzy other than willingly handicapping yourself.
If you guys hate Legion so much, you know you can just tell us right?
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I'm not being a smartass, I understand that BT and Legion are connected and that 1 change effects the other but since it has been so frustrating has anyone considered just reworking Legion to give him another power altogether? I know that takes some SERIOUS time but wouldn't that be better than trying to find ways to make Survivors happy and Legion players happy without crippling one or making it frustrating for the other, this whole problem is because of DW being connected to BT without that connection Legion would be easier to fix for all players.
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At this point the dw time isnt my worry..it's the worry legion will prevent cool things from being in the game just because of sw..a mechanic that barely helps him to begin with..I just feel it's not worth the cost to everything else
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Ironically, you fixed the SURVIVOR'S Legion frustration problems but just execerbated the KILLER'S problems because his Deep Wound is essentially useless now, but now you've made it laughable with faster mend speeds.
It doesn't matter how fast you make him if you keep making his power easier and easier for survivors to manage.
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With Legion having DW as his power any inherent change to one affects the other and on turn then affects BT which is the perk designed to aid with camping.
Legion imo needs a total rework away from the same mechanic as BT uses to start with. Maybe even a complete rework of their power as it seems to be the main reason as to why they keep being changed.
BT being the anti camp perk also needs changed with the new undetectable status as while this was a needed change for stealth killers it makes the perk less worth while when that mechanic allows them to more easily camp negating what it was designed for.
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Not confirmed but they've did it several times due to legion..mist likely will again or the perks with undetectable will get trashed also thanks to legion
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You said the add-ons where the problem though. Why didn't you just change the add-ons?
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It’s one of the strongest perks in the game though... you can beat someone who camps without BT... facecamping no - but the killer won’t pip. So you just save when the killer isn’t looking and go on the hook instead.
BT isn’t well designed and makes solo’s lives hell sometimes... that person who just farms you immediately for a pip.
As for the killer... BT in swf gets abused from anti-camping to crutch... the killer can see a survivor’s scratch marks, follow them and then they save a person who’ll tank the hit etc.
I main survivor btw. OG BT would be better for the game in the current state especially since the wounded buffs... but it shouldn’t work on the rescuer if the exit gates are powered and just the rescued. 1 time perk but before that works for both players.
The killer isn’t better off with current BT since the person who came off the hook can always tank a hit... as a killer I’d happily take 2 hits for the trouble if they insist by bodyblocking for each other.
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But the frustrations were not addressed. The stun is still too high
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The only one in a Legion game that's frustrated is the Legion player, most survivors will just laugh at how bad he is. Instead of trying too "fix" current Legion, rework him into something viable. Put the man who reworked Freddy in charge of reworking Legion and you'll be good.
I also don't know how getting rid of Feral counting M1 hits was "frustrating" when killers like Wraith and Hag hits after using their ability does count. It's honestly no different then them running up and M1'ing you. Please revert the changes and start reworking Legion, because at this point you're just kicking him while he's down while BUFFING perks that don't need it (Borrowed is already a super strong perk, there is literally 0 reason too buff it in any form.)
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Could you elaborate on those reasons that made you think it was a good idea?
I don't want to be rude, but it feels to me like you (the devs) are not playing the same game the community is. You keep changing the things that don't need to be changed and ignoring the urgent ones.
I don't think I've ever seen a single message in here, or in Reddit, that says the mending time is the reason Legion is frustrating to play against. Actually, I don't think anyone considers Legion to be a source of frustration since the rework EXCEPT the Legion mains!
Same deal with Spirit, you slightly nerf her without really tackling the issue most survivors had. I'm not saying she should've been nerfed harder, but maybe take a bit more time to assess and fix the core of the problem than just change some numbers here and there that will not improve the situation in the slightest?
Nurse was not made particularly weaker after the update either (in the right hands), just much harder to pick up and significantly less enjoyable to play.
I guess I'm just a bit tired of you guys saying that this is "our" game when you make changes that go opposite of what most of the community wants or needs. Including much requested features like scrapping the struggle mechanic, colorblind options, etc.
Probably because those will not generate more revenue, so why add them?
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At this point I just want legion to stop handicapping the game
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This is why my Legion proposal focused on utility and lethality and not on stall.
His ability to stall and how he's not balanced to be lethal (and thus ends up having no counter when he manages to be lethal) are his most annoying traits. If you instead balance around the assumption that Frenzy is meant to down then you can embrace otherwise annoying traits with Deep Wounds by giving them active counterplay instead of making them impossible to utilize.
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I'm not going to lie when me and my friends play against a Legion we bully them and stay making jokes about them because he's such a terrible killer that's it's laughable and childish play when people use Legion and same goes for the Demogorgen 🤣🤣🤣
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Demo boy is fine
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This right here is why I made this post..
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Oh right... Really good idea.
Because no one was using BT, so it needed a buff.
Do you guys even listen to yourselves? Ffs
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Hey I'm not here to harass a dev...I'm looking for a solution thatll avoid ruining beast of prey and nemesis
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I'm pretty sure those perks won't work they people are thinking they will, but if they do, they get changed before release.
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Honestly?
Your team is better off giving that trash a new power before he breaks something else.
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Also I apologize if this turned rather unpleasant..it wasnt my intention
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That's what I'd rather avoid..legion has done enough damage
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Well, they should have play tested before implementation... And they should aalso have thought about other killers interaction with all the perks.
Ptb should be for testing balancing, bugs.
Big interactions like these two perks and legion should have been spotted miles away before the PTB.
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Or fix the issue at its source
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That might be true and people probably just playing him wrong but Legion 🤣🤣🤣 is a walk in the park
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