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No prayer beads but infinite Evil Within III is alright?
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PB needed it as you couldn't have any reaction time to it
Infinite EW3 is still here due to the fact that it takes forever to get
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By the time you get to EW 3 there is likely to be 2-3 gens done. I think one of the last times I went against a infinity teir 3 Micheal all the gens got done before he was able to start snowballing pressure.
Prayer beads don't have a single downside, and they also happen to be one of the best addons in the game.
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Infinite Evil Within 3 has a huge downside on it, while Prayer Beads and Yakuyoke Amulet didn't have any, both being better than Fragrant Tuft of Hair.
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you have no idea how hard it is to get evil incarnate (according to most people i got it first try by slugging the 3rd survivor then killing the 4th shutting the hatch then came back picked up the survivor let him wiggle out then killed him. still they only had 1 gen left by the time i got it they could have easily gotten the last gen done probably and GTFO.
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I'm surprised. I thought Plague, Ghostface or Huntress will be next.
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I have seen several michaels running that infinite tier 3 along with the other add on that lets you stalk moderately faster. I think at most there were about 2 gens done followed by a ######### show
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It is rather unlikely a Michael will get to T3 before many gens see done unless a survivor or two gives him free max stalk.
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Ok so your team was probably bad.
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When mayers gets to infinite ew3 all 5 gens are usually done.
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If a Myers gets to infinite EW3 before most or all gens are done it's because the survivors were playing poorly or one survivor in particular basically allowed Myers to completely stalk him early in the match by never breaking LoS.
Besides, you can react to EW3. Large terror radius and he can still be looped or juked.
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Evil Within 3 has a counter, you can see the killer, hear the killer & more often than not when I've Vsed an Evil Within 3 Infinite, we're already almost done with gens when he procs it.
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We talking about the tombstone and fragrant tuft of hair or just fragrant tuft of hair because i use fragrant tuft with the one where i get ew faster from all survivors and it doesnt take to long (note i side in ruin though when i do this)
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What a weird comparison.
Evil Within ||| is earned and can be be somewhat countered with LoS. Michael can’t just spawn in the game and immediately use it.
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Not really. People over exaggerate how hard it is to get EW3 with this add-on. It's not that hard. Especially considering all it takes is 1 survivor to mess up and feed him and that's it. And since you have 0 control over the intelligence and skill of other survivors, you get punished for someone else's mistake. It's dumb.
This add-on does indeed need a rework. It's just lame. Prayer Beads are lame but if you play SWF, use Spine Chill, or are just extra cautious you can beat it. Doesn't matter what other survivors do either, it's 100% in your control. I'd rather play against current Prayer Bead Spirit than Infinite EW3 Myers any day.
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Because infinite Evil Within III is not good. It's a gimmick that rarely works, even if you go ALL gen slowdown perks, atleast 3 gens will be done by the time you stalk up, you also get a permanent speed debuff, not to say that even when you pop it you're not guaranteed any kills because lockers hard counter this build and they're everywhere on most maps.
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Oh, I read the post wrong, my fault. But still, it's better, but I still wouldn't say it's overly good, most of the match will still pass by before you get EV 3, sure it's definetly "not weak" but it's far from overpowered in any way.
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I got so many questions...okay, what rank are you?
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Well comparing something that comes with a clear down side with something that doesn't.
Fragrant tuft of hair has a downside it means that the survivors are able to keep themselves hidden they could pretty much lock you out of tier 3 for a while.
It's why gimmick builds like furtive chase +Judith journal and soon-to-be nemesis and Judith journal are paired up with it because it helps sidestep the down sides.
There was literally no downside to using prayer beads or yakuoke amulet
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Yeah it’s not particularly the most enjoyable thing to go against infinite NOED with an increased lunge but it takes Myers forever to get the Tier III.
However if you pair it with J. Myers Memorial it doesn’t take that long. Before I got EW III with five gens up because somebody fed me stalk.
Prayer Beads has no counter, the Tuft of Hair does have a counter and typically you don’t get the EW III for a while.
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@thesuicidefox I don’t like either one but I have never DC’ed against infinite Tier III Myers while I have definitely DC’ed against Prayer Beads. Every time I go against Prayer Beads the entire team kills themselves on the hook and DC’s.
Needless to say, it’s not enjoyable having zero idea when the killer is coming. If I get grabbed by Myers or Ghostface I know it’s my fault. With PB I just feel cheated.
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An add-on doesn't need a rework or nerf just because survivors are too dumb to counter it. Almost everytime when I saw a Myers playing in red or even purple ranks with Fragrant Tuft of Hair and J Myers Memorial, at least 3 gens still got done before he went into EW3. Not to mention, he is loopable in EW3, so you can still counter it even if your teammates mess up.
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Rank 1. Been rank 1 for 2 years. Killer and survivor. I don't play Myers much if at all, but I've use this add-on. It is NOT hard to get. The only time it is hard to get is against a 4 man SWF, but literally everything is hard against them. Even the most OP builds like old omega blink Nurse would be hard against that. Getting EW3 using Tuft of Hair is easy, I see it happen all the time against good survivors.
Could literally say the same thing about Prayer Beads. They are actually very easy to counter, just don't be stupid and blindly do a gen without being somewhat aware of her position on the map. And Spine Chill completely shuts down this add-on.
I'm willing to bet those Myers you faced weren't that good. We have some really good Myers players on Xbox because for some reason a lot of players love him. Again, you are only going to get 3 gens done before he gets infinite EW3 if you are in a 4 man SWF. If you are not, then chances are high he will get it sooner, and if he gets it sooner you are done.
I just love how people shame Prayer Beads but in the same breathe defend infinite one shots then justify it as being "hard at high ranks" which is literally true of anything especially if you are against an SWF. Like really people?
Again Spine Chill. And no, it's not JUST for Prayer Beads, this is a meta-but-no-one-will-admit-that-perk that is useful against EVERY killer in EVERY game. I honestly can't even think of an instance where you won't find use from it.
Also again... just have some map awareness. If you know she has Prayer Beads and you are on a gen, either be sure she is chasing someone else or tap the gen. Or just be ready to let go the instant you see her. You CAN hear footsteps, so if you pay attention she shouldn't ever be able to grab you. It is as much your fault as Myers or GF, albeit harder to beat.
I don't DC against any killer. The only times I've DC'd are against infinite tombstone, and only then because the Myers would outright refuse to kill me, so I just sit in a locker and we stare at each other for 20 minutes. It actually has nothing to do with the build and everything to do with the killer dragging out the game for a stupid achievement.
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And if you are in EW3? There are pallets. Case closed.
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Yea and then when he's got Brutal Strength and PWYF, what are you gonna do? That's the build I see often with infinite EW3, specifically to counter the loops.
Also map dependent. If you get a pallet heaven map sure. If you get Hawkins or Badham 2-5, GG.
PS. And I'm not saying it's overpowered. You assume that is my argument it's not. My argument is the same argument against Prayer Beads. IT IS STUPID. Doesn't belong in the game. No one enjoys it but the killer using it.
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When he got chase perks you can still get to a pallet most times because 80% of the maps are pallet heavens. And if you play it smart you can stun him and get more distance on him. Please don't act like infinite EW3 would be a big deal. It's way worse than "Scream for Myers".
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Again it's not about counter play. You can counter play Prayer Beads by playing smart. Does that make it any less stupid? Does that mean it should be in the game? No and no.
Infinite one shots, no matter how effective, is stupid. PERIOD.
And every time I see "Scream for Myers" it's most likely a infinite EW3 build too. So yea, that's even more stupid because then he just goes around and slugs everyone.
Gotta love how people can defend one stupid thing in the game and denounce another.
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Maybe it's because one of those things is not actually that stupid. :P
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Because you or your teammates dropped a pallet and teabagged for 15 seconds while he absorbed stalk... that happens to me when I play as Myers and I laugh
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Infinite Myers is far from the most annoying thing killers have. Iri hatchets, one shot down clown bottles, heck even Myers himself has something stronger/stupider with scratch mirror builds.
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LMAO I saw plenty of solo survivors escaping agaisnt Infinite EW3 Myers. Solo survivors can do gens as fast as SWF teams, I saw plenty of solo survivors gen rushing the killer in 4-5 minutes.
"I bet these Myers you faced weren't that good". Myers even doesn't take that much skill LOL. To be a good Myers, you literally only need to know the standard killer mind games. That's all. He is not Huntress or Nurse or even Billy or Spirit in terms of skill. Survivors just need to break line of sight to deny his stalk as much as possible, while gens are popping and when he gets to EW3, just loop him and make only safe unhooks. They won everytime when they did that against him in my experience.
You are just entitled. If your team is bad, you can just as well lose to an add-onless Cannibal, so nerfing this add-on as reason for your team being incompetent is a really lame one.
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This. Even with the best stalk addon it'll still take forever, and even with perma EW3 you're still not guaranteed a down since you still have too fight through pallet hell too get it.
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I really don't see Pinky Finger Clown or Scratch Mirror Myers being annoying. Usually Clowns start to play like Leatherface with that add-on and try to throw bottles when they are right behind a survivor and that makes them even more loopable, because Clown's bottles are even harder to land than Huntresses hatchets, while Scratched Mirror Myers is only useable in 3 maps. Even Iri Head Huntress is not that bad if you get one of the plethora of bad maps she has.
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Not even comparable. Michael has to work hard to get his infinite tier 3. When he gets it you can hear him coming, use loops to avoid it etc.
Spirit has her prayer beads from the get-go. She doesn't have to do a thing to use them. There is little to no counterplay to it. Should not have to bring in spine chill on the off chance you might get a prayer beads Spirit. People say watch the grass move. That's nice but not every gen is beside grass and not every map has grass.
Prayer beads is a stupid broken add on that was long overdue a nerf.
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myers NEEDS A LOT of stalk to get tier 3 infinite and still he can be loped till daylight with soft pallet looping sorry man but if u blame about myers YOU REALLY need to get gud at the game
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2 completely different things, why even compare them?
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They are both stupid. You can, in theory, counter play both. But the doesn't make one better than the other in terms of being a good experience. I'd rather play against Prayer Beads than infinite EW3.
So a killer with unlimited one shot is NOT as annoying as killer with comparably unlimited one shots? Okay...
I'll take Scratch Mirror Myers over infinite EW3 Myers any day also. SM is super easy to to beat and super easy to loop. Infinite EW3 is much harder to loop (map/tile dependent) and gives 0 room for error. You could mess up all day and still beat SM Myers in a chase.
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For those wondering, It takes 5 seconds to leave EW1, and then an additional 12 seconds to go from EW2 to EW3 using tuft of hair and J myers memorial. It takes the equivalent of 2 full survivors worth of stalk to do this.
Did this the other day without TOO much hassle, although a large part of that is due to a survivor being completely oblivious that I managed to fully stalk them at the very beginning of the match without them moving. Ive also been at the opposite end of the spectrum however and had teams make it take forever to even get out of EW1.
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Much of Myers skill comes down to knowing how to approach your target. If you're just starting the match and hear a survivor working on a gen, its often good to take the time to stalk from a direction they're less likely to suspect. Instead of coming at them directly from the middle of the map, move around them and stalk them from the outer wall, or maybe from a 2nd story window in the main building.
As far as Myers movement AFTER stalking, you can actualy get abit of an edge with Myers that you couldnt do with other killers due to his increased vault speeds, and super lunge in EW3. A survivor trying to loop you around ironworks isnt gonna get much distance with that window against a EW3 Myers. A spot where you would NORMALLY take a detour through a nearby door, might be faster to use the window with Myers.
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Exactly. It is POSSIBLE for it to be difficult, but that requires all 4 survivors to play smart. More often that will be far from the case. It's way more likely that you will get it earlier because SOMEONE fed you. And that is beyond the control of other survivors. If some random feeds you EW I get punished for it. How is that fair?
17 seconds of stalk is not at all that much if you focus on it. I really can't believe how people can say it takes so long. It really doesn't.
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If someone just carelessly feeds you with Fragrant Tuft, that's on them for doing so, not on the add-on for being an issue.
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On my last game with it with the survivor who gave me a full stalk right away, I managed to get the rest by about the time the 2nd gen was done after ALSO applying abit of pressure (I got afew hits in so theyd use time healing up and be less suspicious about a tuft of hair). Did bring ruin, which blew up by this point.
Im abit torn on it personally. On one end, its nice having it always up. On the other end, I could use double stalk speed addons and pop it pretty often (go from EW2 to EW3 in 3-3.5 seconds depending on the addon combo) for a minute at a time and survivors are more likely to spend time healing against that.
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I think @thesuicidefox 's issue is that its on a team lvl instead of an individual one. Against other killers, you as an individual can counter their powers. Against Myers, If one of your teammates doesnt counter it, you could be the one paying for it.
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I do believe one takes super long to take advantage of, is limited & doesn't silence you until you're right on them, and the other is Prayer Beads.
It's also 1K cheaper. 😜
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Exactly my point.
Along with the fact that just because you can counter play it doesn't make it healthy for the game. Prayer Beads has easy counters (which people constantly ignore or dismiss, despite one of those counters Spine Chill completely destroying this add-on). But that doesn't mean it should stay as it is. Tuft of Hair is the same thing.
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Except that you can still counter a EW3 in a 1v1. It's not easy, but it shouldn't be IMO.
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I think you could fall into the same position against base no addons Myers though. Ppl who become idiots and let me 99% off them equally screws over the next guy I find. Im by no means saying Myers is OP or a problem, just that he DOES work off your team as a whole instead of the individual.
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Still, these things don't require really that much skill and assuming that all the Myers who lost with this add-on did so because they were either bad or they played against a 4 man coordinated SWF team is a really bad assumption. In my experience, solo survivors don't really have that much trouble against Infinite EW3 Myers and I agree that double stalk speed add-ons are better against good survivors.
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Im not assuming the player was bad or the team was a 4 man SWAT taskforce. Im just saying Ive seen plenty of EW1 Myers who will just waltz up to a survivor at a jungle gym like he was the freaking koolaid man and completely kill the element of surprise.
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How is that different from one Survivor potatoing it up and making the team suffer overall in general?
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Me nailing hatchet throws against your teammate isnt likely to have an effect on YOU when its time I chase YOU for example. Me getting stalk off your teammate however is likely to result in a MUCH shorter chase when I pop that 99% stalk off on you afterward. This is a rare instance where your teammates chase affects YOUR chase outside of just things like wasting pallets.
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