Does THIS qualify as "holding the game hostage"? [ALL NAMES CENSORED]
Question 1: What happened?
Answer 1: I versed a SWF team at Hawkins. They were acting pretty cheeky from the very start of the game. Typical huge ego players clicking their flashlights and tbagging in the distance and behind every pallet. However, after killing two of them I noticed the map got "strangely quiet" all of a sudden.
Question 2: What did they decide to do?
Answer 2: They decided to not touch any generators on purpose and hide for about 15 minutes. I suppose they wanted me to DC because I was "boring". At the end of the video below you can see why I was "boring" to them.
After finally finding/downing one of them I didn't even bother slugging for the 4k even though I knew the hatch was gonna spawn next to the last survivor like in all of my games.
After the game I obviously got insulted as always. After telling them that holding the game hostage was bannable they replied:
"YOU WERE CAMPING ALL GENERATORS"
Anyways here is the video and some screenshots (ALL NAMES CENSORED)
I didn't report them in-game because I'm not sure if 15 minutes is enough to consider it "holding the game hostage". Also I only recorded the last 9 minutes.
Question 3: At what point is it considered "holding the game hostage" ?
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No its not considered holding the game hostage we touched on this topic in another forum about survivors being invested i think it was where theyd stay hidden for prolonged periods of time. you can still find them its just alittle harder and yes it is boring its happened to me before as well.
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They had to tap the gens; else crows would appear and start giving out their location.
But yeah; they held the game hostage and you could definitely report them I agree. Thing is though, nothing really comes of reports.
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Unfortunately I dont really think its possible for a survivor to hold the game hostage by the Devs definition since you have the ability of ending the game without DCing. The only way the survivors COULD be labeled as such is if they managed to get to a location that you cant reach. This might still be labeled as griefing however since their goal was no longer to play the game, but rather to ruin your experience. The line "We wanted to make it as boring as possible for you" points to that end.
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That's not how that works you can crouch and walk around to prevent crows you dont need to touch a generator.
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You can simply gesture to avoid crows. Pressing 1 or 2 to make your character point or do the come here gesture will prevent crows as well.
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Its boring af but sadly not bannable as you can still find them and kill them theyre in the map just being jerks and being hidden the entire game.
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So it defeats the entire purpose of it; well I stand corrected and that is dumb as hell.
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also kinda how a survivor can stay in a locker infinitly they come out point then go back in.
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Lol gen camping lol 😂 how dare ye! Haa I love it sorry not here to provided constructive help my bad just ha to say that's extremely funny 🐷🤣
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I guess I had too much faith in logical game mechanics, that's my bad I guess.
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"You're camping all the gens"
My GOD.
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I had 2 salty SWF do this one time as well. It was on one of Macmillian maps too. Really needs to be a way to locate survivors if they do nothing for a few minutes.
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Bruh, new one is camping all the gens lmao
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It's not technically taking the game hostage as you can find and kill them. Taking the game hostage refers to situations where there's no way for the match to end unless whoever started doing it allows it to. Killers blocking all remaining survivors somewhere and going afk so they can't even start EGC, survivors trapping killers in exploity spots or staying around forever after the killer gets stuck in a pallet or something... that sort of thing.
Might count as griefing or something though, I honestly don't know. It's obviously pathetic behavior nonetheless.
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well in that forum the one person posted they recommended getting crows if you havent interacted with ANYTHING after 5 minutes which seems like it may help (not much because a survivor could just go into a locker) but itd be a start at least.
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Yes. It is holding the game hostage.
They are not taking any step towards finishing the game and even admitted to doing it to spite you.
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i wouldnt take that approach because the game could just take longer because of loops and perks and stuff like that if like the killer has killed 2 people then cant catch the last 2 because of loops or stuff like that the game could last 30 minutes with both sides trying to win.
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What if the EGC triggered at 10 minutes and 1 second gameplay automatically? OR if nobody in the survivor team does any objective for five minutes like repairing a generatror, healing a player or getting chased the EGC triggers.
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lol "Gen camping" holds as much water as gen rushing.
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definitely to short lol my games take about 15 when im actually trying because of loops and other stuff. (the other thing i could see with the survivor not doing anything for 5 minutes)
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Honestly i hope this doesnt get buried because the devs do need to see this and comment on this.
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"ur camping all the gens" that may be the dumbest message I've seen on dbd.
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Well a longer time perhaps. But I have had rare matches that lasted 25 minutes as survivor. And whilst I suppose they are "fun" they may not be for casual players who play maybe 2-3 hours a night on ALL video games they have not just this one.
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just curious but did you get the last guy?
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yes but itd basically tell survivors "you have 11 minutes before you die get to it".
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Oh that's a good idea. Have a countdown similar to the EGC showing that the EGC is on its way.
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Thats not what i meant! I meant your not giving the survivors much of a chance because your guaranteeing their death after 13 minutes because eg collapse lasts 3 pretty sure.
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My bad. I misunderstood. Maybe a certain time limit gets applied to constrain a match to maybe 30 minutes maximum?
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That sounds better.
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I know right? Apparently Bubba can camp entire maps with multiple floors now haha.
Nope. As I said after finding one of them I didn't care about the 4k so I just hooked the 3rd survivor straight away (the Claudette seen in the video) and the hatch spawned near the 4th survivor. Well, at least I finally had a chance to properly explore the map and appreciate the details... I guess.
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Damn would have been so satisfying if you did. Pretty sure though that is bannable because itd fall under griefing since they admitted they were doing it on purpose and the mod on other forum said if they admit it it is bannable.
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When something like this happens I just go to a corner of the map for like a minute and then come back, so they have time to work on a gen and stuff.
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he gave them more then enough time he was literally walking around and messing around after like the 5 minute mark.
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When a killer doesn't do anything to finish the game, survivors can end the game by doing gens and opening the exit gate and leaving. When survivors refuse to do game objectives, such as completing gens, they can hold the game hostage if the killer cannot find them. The killer can't do anything to advance the match to end game without survivors participation.
I believe they have already said if survivors stall the game by hiding and refusing to do the objective, it is holding the game hostage.
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As a survivor, I have had my whole team slugged more than once, only to have the killer go AFK while we bleed out.
What is interesting is that although you could only record 9 minutes, you don't show the end of the game....you clearly didn't want to pick up that survivor right? I am not defending what they did, i am simply pointing out that it goes both ways. People get mad in a game and do whatever they can to make it miserable for each other.
If I was in your situation, I might have gone and got a sandwich until they started working on gens again, as they were probably close to realizing this playing style is not fun.
Hopefully this didn't ruin your day, as it is rare that it happens.
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they could also make the EGC trigger after the survivor hasnt done anything (worked on a totem a gen healed a survivor ect) after 5 minutes. After all im pretty sure the entity would get bored of watching the survivor hide from the killer for 5 minutes and want to give them a good shove.
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OH DAMN
I see german and Xbox. Ich spiele auch auf der Xbox Dbd und ich hatte auch mal ein Swf Team, dass sich die ganze Zeit im Keller versteckt hat. Echt nicht cool :/ Ihre Begründung war, dass ich Legion war. Ich hab die Funktion abgestellt, Nachrichten von Nicht-Freunden zu bekommen lmao.
Aber ich hab keine Ahnung, ob es gemeldet werden kann sorry. Ich glaub alle vor mir haben das schon beantwortet. Hoffe du hast demnächst mehr Glück :D
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why did you censor your perks??
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Slugging is not considered holding the game hostage. The match will still end as there is a bleedout timer.
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He said what happened he hooked the survivor and the other survivor left through hatch and he clearly shows they were hiding like little jerkwads at least with slugging you eventually bleedout. hiding like a coward for 5-10 minutes to waste the killers time is the same as if i trap you in a corner and stand there so you cant move go take a little break then down you and hook you did i just waste your time? oh im so sorry.
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This basically answers the question pretty cleanly.
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I'd like a clarification what exactly counts as an "extended period of time" but other than that it basically answers what I was unsure about myself 😄
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I think this is the sort of thing where you use your best judgement. Did the game grind to a screeching halt with no progress made on either side despite you (as the Killer) clearly still trying to find the Survivors? That would almost definitely be hostage holding.
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XB1 stops recording after 10 minutes automatically (not sure if there's an option to record infinitely) so I decided to stop the clip manually after downing the Claudette as I had no idea how long it would take for the game to end after hooking Claudette and I was at 9 minutes already. Didn't want to start a second video. If I had known the hatch would spawn next to the 4th survivor I could/would have recorded the end as well, of course.
It didn't ruin my day anyways as I finally had a chance to explore the map properly. I also had some good games after this one. :)
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I feel like there should be a third way for the EGC to start:
Once there's two survivors remaining, a 10 minute timer will start in the background.
If this timer reaches zero, both Exit Gates are powered on and the EGC starts.
Since there's two survivors instead of one survivor, both survivors suffer a 50% exit gate opening speed penalty. 🤗😁
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How does a person camp ALL the gens?
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I like how people were complaining that Survivors would hold the game hostage by not taking the hatch and not doing Gens when they were the last person alive and because there were so many complaints the devs created the EGC. This was considered such a problem they had to find a way to make it impossible but now we have this, if this becomes too big of a problem they will do something about it.
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this definitely i hope the devs introduce this because the last 2 survivors if theres like 3 gens left they dont even try its just waste killer time now.
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What the hell?! How are so many people suggested EGC to start from survivors doing nothing. Did it really escape everybody's mind that all survivors have to do if something like that is introduced is hide all game in order to get an easy escape? A much more logical conclusion would be for the survivor's aura to become visible after a certain amount of minutes without working on a gen, being in a chase, healing, or doing anything of value.
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