Fix the PIPPING Sytem with face campers

Hey I'm just saying what I've read in similar posts.

Realistically speaking, I doubt they will change anything since, as far as I've read here, BHVR said camping is a legit strategy.

Ah I forgot to mention "Use (insert Steve's perk that works in that situation) then"

Camaraderie? It's not very useful, it only works during the second stage and another Survivor has to be within 16 meters and it's limited to 34 seconds. I think it should only require the Killer Camp you and that alone should slow down the timer but the additional prerequisite of a Survivor camping you? Way unnecessary.

The only time it was useful was when I was being camped in the basement, the generator upstairs someone was working on it and it wasted a lot of The Killers time. They ended up completing four generators lol of course I lost a pip but at least everyone got to escape.

The killer emblem penalty should have been a bonus for survivors instead in my opinion. Penalty doesn't do anything beneficial aside from put killer in games where they're more likely to succeed from camping.

I don't believe the killer should ever be punished for camping. There just needs to be more incentive for survivors to not suicide on hook whether they're going to be insta-mori'd or camped to death. Survivors should get some sort of tell or buff if the killer excessively camps though. I'm a bit biased but something to compel them to hop on a generator if a killer is camping.

It's a shame they just canned the idea instead of trying to improve it to a point where it couldn't be abused.

Honestly, you can't punish camping. It sucks donkey balls when it happens but there are legit times when it's the best strategy.

Also, insidious is an official perk that forces you to stand still to activate it. Not sure you can call hijacking the game when it's used.

Also, i run into campers periodically but if killers camped as much as these forums suggest then no player in the game would be beyond rank 16.

You essentially said what I said but minus our opinion on what the solution should be.

A penalty won't work and you can't prevent camping unless you rework the entire hook system so camping isn't possible. Not a single soul cares about the penalty affecting their emblems for camping. The same will apply for any out of game penalty you add. If you really want to add a penalty it needs to be part of the game loop that affects the game as it goes on. We can argue Kindred and SWF voice is a solution but that isn't a one size fits all solution. People camp for a different number of reasons too which is essentially the same as AFK'ing the game out.

Instead of focusing on punishing killers I'd look more towards fixing the game, adding compensation for survivors who have their games ruined and adding incentives to progress through ranks so the already trivial implemented penalty has a purpose. Yes I am actually suggesting a reward for survivors who stick it through the entire game if they are 1-hooked for what ever reason. Anyone can argue whether they deserve it or not but if their entire game consist of being idle on a hook and then hitting the struggle key it's safe to say that game was out of their control at that point. With the last 2 survivors it is of course different but I'm referring to scenarios where 4 survivors are alive.

tl;dr - I agree with the problem but punishment won't do anything because there will always be a way around it.

Insidious does not equal camping. What are you supposed to do, run across the map and then stand still. So yes, that means there is a perk that encourages camping. There are also a bunch that encourage not camping.

Oh and for the thousandth time, the devs view camping as a valid strategy. Just accept that there will be occasions where you get camped. It doesn't happen every match and if it does you might want to change up your strategy.

@Kenidur

"While that may be incentive to the survivors, it's not a deterrent."

This is what I mean though. If camping absolutely needs to be stopped it needs a penalty that's inside the gameplay loop. I personally prefer compensating survivors properly for their time but there are a few things the devs could do that would stop camping and would impose similar survivor penalties. For example.

• Imposing AFK Crows on killers which disable their power. This would be a similar penalty to Head On. While I see no reason a killer would receive this penalty normally I still see it as too drastic but it would stop Leatherface from camping for example but it wouldn't solve much outside of that.
• Impose an actual in-game penalty to killers when the emblem penalty has been ticking for a while such as prompting survivors to work on a generator and possibly even giving them a small boost to repair speed.

Outside of those two fields I don't really see any options aside from changing hooking mechanics to outright prevent camping. Perhaps being able to complete an objective that when complete destroys the hook a survivor is hanging from or relocating them on their unhook. Even so I see the above two options as too drastic and not fixing everything either.

Not to be rude but I don't really have anything to say about the slugging statement as I see it as being perfectly fine as is even though yes it is boring for survivors. I still see slugging, camping and tunneling as being fine it's just survivors need proper compensation for certain things. I agree camping is frustrating to deal with but I genuinely don't see a realistic way to impose a penalty without breaking something else. That's why I believe the focus shouldn't be punish killers but to compensate survivors properly.

Increasing bloodpoint categories for survivors (And killers) would be a start for those who get tunneled all game. 10k each category instead of 8k wouldn't be bad.