Why do survivors dislike NOED?

Adrenaline, in fact, can be countered. However it is extremely situational. Plus, you won’t even know if they have it. When you are carrying a survivor and the Exit gates become powered, drop the survivor and it will trigger their Adrenaline. If you hit them fast enough, their adrenaline will be completely useless in the latter. Plus, it resets the wiggle meter. However like I said, it is completely situational, you need to have basically picked up the survivor at the exact moment that the generators were powered in order for this to work.

"Just cleanse 4head" lol I dont mind it, I've had survivors cleanse all my totems as killer and NOED doesnt trigger, I'm like "Aww man" and as a survivor when you realize they have NOED its like "ugh noed" but you just move on, it would be hypocritical to get upsed if I use it myself sometimes :P

It's funny that survivors have problems with killer perks that are essentially a get out of jail free card while at the same time see no reason to dislike DS or Adrenaline. It's almost as if perks that don't actually have much counter play or strategy to them aren't fun to play against.

The Killers objective is to kill all the survivors hence their name. Their objective is not to prevent them from completing generators or else the match would end when that is done. So your whole statement about it rewarding Killers for failing to do their objective is 100% false. I like how you say same old same old in this thread but then come out with the same old tired argument against it.

That movement speed buff comes in clutch especially 110 movement speed killers

Hatch rewards survivors for failure, same mechanic, different skin.

I mainly play survivor and I still find time to do my bones lol. Everyone thinks it's "genrush then gaterush" but your game isn't over until you're out the gate. So take the time to find and cleanse.

I'm an ok survivor (rank 7 atm, never been higher than 5) and a really crap killer (rank 16 atm, highest I've gotten), and in both cases I have no issues with NOED. As survivor I always cleanse any totems I find, and as killer I usually get bullied by the survivors (again, I really suck as killer), so it's nice when they make the mistake of not cleansing totems and I get some payback.

Incorrect.

As of the EGC, Adrenaline can now proc during the ultimate failure state of having 0 gens done.

I don't really have an issue with noed. I usually just think we should have got all the totems. I always saw noed as a "second chance perk" which survivors (me included) use.

I do get annoyed when a killer gets a 4k off noed but I understand why some would use it. I do believe there should be a counter for totems since it would help solo survivors catch up to the knowledge swf teams have.

That is obviously against the rules of the game, so the surivior would get banned for doing that. So if you call that an reward, then okay.

Did you even read my comment to the end(then again it was a bit long)? I said and I will quote "if a killer hooks a certain number of suriviors, the perk will activate. This means you not only worked for it, but also inspire you not to lose hope by seeing that you have 4 suriviors alive and healthy".

So tell me, where in the world did I try to make it sound unfair or unreasonable? I said the perk abilities shouldn't change, but the description to activating it should change to make it more earned!

1.) That is sleath and I don't see much of the problem with that. Is it bad for a surivior trying to stay alive and not get caught?

2.) By you saying the trapper playing "fairly" it means he was following the duty of the game, right? So in that case noed should be activated. I never said noed should not exist anymore and I do not see the point of how it relates to noed. I never said killers should be treated weak or pathetic when up against a surivior team while playing "fair . So once again, I do not understand where you are getting at.

3.) That is very untrue because the devs has listened and made perks in which are very similar to ideas people wanted to be seen on dead by daylight. So there is always an possibility of your idea coming true, regardless of it being old.

Point #2 is referring to 4 survivors healing via Adrenaline in that scenario.

And if the killer dunks on your team with 3 perks and uses NOED to clean-up the last 1-2 kills?

Is that bad gameplay?

I guess you can always blame your teammates in that scenario.

Or maybe because almost every killer is averaging between a 55-70% kill rate (and 60-75% at red rank), survivors don’t feel they have the time to do all the totems 🤔

I have 2 issues with NOED. One being no requirement for the killer, so a camping killer can get it to proc every time due to survivors having to gen rush to counter the camping. Expecting survivors to cleanse dulls against a camping killer is absurd. “Just do gens” is the response every time someone complains about camping. Never once have I seen “just do gens and dull totems”. Two, is when a competent killer uses it. Luckily, most good killers know it’s bs and don’t run it....but if they wanted to, it would be ridiculous.

It means you literally can't get at the totems if they spawn in an inaccessible location. The only play you have if that happens is not to cleanse any and hope your team does the same until it procs, and hope it isn't one of the ones you can't get to.

I think anyone who still whines about survivors being good and killers being bad is just an idiot. I've played the game since it came out and even when survivors where op back when flashlights where good and perks hadn't been nerfed into non existence, the killers were still strong. Even when I fought against rank 1 swf with flashlights and insta heals I could still 4k 9/10 matches without need. Now it's impossible to do well as a solo survivor cause if your good the killer just tunnels and camps you. That's why I quit playing this dumpster fire of a game, I'll come back when the playerbase drops enough for them to start actually balancing again.

Typically, I don't mind NOED in most cases, but if I do bones, which I typically do because I run Detective's Hunch AND Inner Strength, then get chased and hooked.

Then the last generator is powered and Detective's Hunch reveals a totem directly beside my teammates, and NOED activates. I feel very aggravated because I know I am likely going to die on first hook due to my teammates being lazy. In other words, I was the one who got punished for doing bones when my teammates didn't bother touching them.

This is why you need thick skin as a survivor because there are going to be things that will really test your patients. 😕

The only thing to take from this thread is some of you are still running Small Game when Detective's Hunch is far superior.

My personal take on this as someone who really only plays survivor is that there no one should have a problem with NOED unless we’re up against a bad killer - and by ‘bad killer’ I mean those times a killer literally just stands around the whole match in the same place until all generators are completed. But even so, that itself a rare occurrence, or it is for me, at least.

As I was saying, I have no problem with NOED. Yes, it can be annoying, like when I know that 4/5 totems are cleansed and it just happens to be the one I missed, but that’s no ones fault but the survivors. I enjoy cleansing totems, as someone who doesn’t do too well in chases, cleansing is a guarantee on at least a few points, and if the team is helped unknowingly, fantastic. Besides, often (excluding most late-game perks) observant survivors can figure out the perk set of the killer. An example of this can be easily seen with killer perks such as BBQ or nurses.

Treating NOED as an active perk in relation to glowing before late game would essentially be a great disadvantage to the killer anyway, or so I see it. Killers already run the risk of having it destroyed by careful players, and now with Nancys perks, anyone using Inner Strength. To have NOED be treated as active before it comes into play would basically defeat its purpose, like the most late game survivor perks became after the End Game was introduced.

On top of this, NOED gives what is essentially a final chance for killers both new and experienced alike, and even then it’s not an invincible perk because the totem can still be destroyed and the survivors still rescued. In many cases with experienced killers NOED mightn’t even need to use it - I’ve been in plenty of matches where it never came into effect because the killer had us on from the very beginning. It also gives new killers a chance at a bigger kill count, as someone who is the absolute worst at killer (hence only playing survivor) matches can be frustrating, and humiliating even when against toxic survivors who grief killers for no reason knowing they’re against an inexperienced killer.

Essentially, it really all comes down to If You Don’t Want To Run The Risk Of NOED, Do Every Totem You See. Most time, they’re in an obviously space, and if not, you’ll likely have seen that space being used when looking for totems like Ruin. If not, learn the pattern. I promise you, it exists, and when you learn it you will find all the totems with ease.

I think noed is fine.. I think it's more of a problem for inexperienced players who haven't learned how to deal with it yet.

Most of the time you'll be able to tell if the killer has noed well in advance. For example, survivors can usually guess most of the perks a killer is using during a match and determine if there is a perk slot that's unaccounted for. If that's the case, assume it's an endgame perk (noed, blood warden, remember me, etc) and play around that.

Another easy tell is that if a killer is particularly campy or tunnelly and seem to ignore survivors doing objectives (e. G. Have tunnel vision for the survivor they're chasing and ignoring other survivors on gens), then they probably have noed.

Lastly, unless you can tell they are playing really well, certain killers tend to run noed more often than others, such as clown, wraith, spirit, trapper, ghostface, bubba.

In terms of playing around the perk. The easiest thing is to check the totem spawns around the map and either cleanse them, or memorise where they are. If the activated noed, just run through the spots you remember and check for an active totem. If you can't find it, then just leave the match. There is absolutely no point in going for altruism during the endgame if the killer still has noed, unless you're going for wglf stacks, which may give you more points than an escape.

If in doubt of noed, and the killer still hasn't smacked anyone during the endgame, just leave and take your 5k points. Don't stick around if you care about escaping