I think killers should camp to deter looping and other unsportsmanlike survivor behavior
I don't know when it became unofficially official that survivors get to dictate the way the game sessions should go and the way players should play but I for one am sick of the troll culture, the SWF gangs dictating how I'm able to enjoy my game.
The looping for 5 minutes at a time knowing the game limits the mobility of the killer, the gen rushing, the body blocking, survivor hook camping all these learned and accepted bad behaviors that have become so normal survivors think they can reprimand you for not adhering to their standards of playing.
Last time I checked nobody chipped in on my purchase of the game or my cosmetics so in order to retrain bad survivors and not be held hostage I can think of is to immediately counter unsportsmanlike behavior during the same session with direct and intentional unsportsmanlike behavior once you see it exhibited. Until we're on the sane page oa session by session basis I for think things will improve
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I mean you can. But camping gives an open invitation to do gens, and once the gates are powered, good luck catching anyone unless the first chase happened to chew through literally all the resources on the map.
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Hahaha 👍
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looping is unsportsmanlike ight
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Sounds like bait. Anyhoo how is looping considered "unsportsmanlike"? Legitimately curious. Is it because it's an "exploit"? The devs are starting to design maps with looping in mind, y'know...
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I agree. They should make sure there is at least 50-80 pallets on the map just so I can press W and Space without looking behind in chase... /s
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You're probably one of the perks whom wills be contributing to the problem. The object is to evade the killer not waste time until the generators are done.
That's precisely what I was talking about in my thread alt the game being biased against killers. Say what you want allbout Friday the 13th but they actually made an effort to fix things like this. It took too many videos of counselors looping, and T-bagging the Jason before they made the hit box extremely sensitive.
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"Looping is unsportsmanlike"
But in all seriousness, the game has changed from a hide and seek. Perks and killers now mainly base around the chase and map pressure. Looping isn't unsportsmanlike. If anything, hiding and walking around is much more detrimental to your team.
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This.... this is bait right? It has to be.
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This is a huge lol.
Imagine thinking you're "teaching bad survivors" by camping and basically letting 3 of them escape most games, they're sure gunna get annoyed by that.
Just admit that you're not very good at the game and that's your reason for camping.
Imagine how fun DBD would be if the survivors just ran to every pallet and dropped it, you really think that's the intention of DBD? For a survivor to drop every pallet they come to in a chase and move on?
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Leaving aside the immoral implications of such an argument, saying that looping is unsportsmanlike and ought to be punished is as silly as saying that chasing a survivor near someone who's hooked is camping. It's not. People are allowed to employ the best tactics available to them in order to complete their objective.
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Obvious bait is obvious
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Idk man if I run those loops well I sure am evading the killer. Not getting hit. Not getting caught. Sounds like evading to me.
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I loop as survivor but I learn how to counter it as killer. Nothing unsportsmanlike about it.
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I like looping to the point killers move on to another target. Feels good. I also like mind gaming a loop to beat a survivor. Feels good.
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I mean there are certain people who camp because they need to but i feel like bad survivors need to be reprimanded. All this "looping is fine" cosign is because we've allowed the culture of survivors dictating how killers should kill them. That doesn't make any sense whether you're used to it or not
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What do you expect survivor do to "survivor" the ol' killer favourite "Just don't get found" "just don't get hit" "just juke" lmao, these don't work against good killers.
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Being intentionally toxic in order to fight toxicity isn't the way to go. Negativity only breeds more negativity.
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That's just the nature of the game. Killer is the reactionary role. The survivors will do whatever they can to evade the killer, looping included, and the killer must respond by using whatever is at their disposal to catch the survivor. If you want to call that "survivors dictating how killers should kill them" then go for it, but it's not a matter of survivors having all the power, it's simply how cat-and-mouse games work.
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Again I'm not surprised many of you don't have an issue with this bad method of plaything because you've grown accustomed to and benefited from it.
But why is it expected of me to let you get away after I've already hooked you when within my sights but you can loop, gen rush body block and whatever else. I expect them to play the game how it was intended and throw the pallet down and go off to do something else. Not run around in circles because they know the programming doesn't allow for me to catch up to them. You can get away after being found .
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bud.. I got some bad news, but the reason you're getting gen rushed is because you're camping and letting the survivors do them. Other things you are doing wrong are wasting 5 mins for 1 hook, course they're gonna gen rushed, you're letting them. Simple tips:
1: Don't waste too much time in chases, you're only wasting time.
2: You may not be able too dictate what the survivor loops, but you can dictate which way they have too run. force survivors too loop an unsafe route.
3: Learn too mindgame if the loop allows it. once you've learned how too hide the red stain you'll be able too mindgame most survivors with ease.
4: If you find multiple survivors, don't try and 1v1, try and get multiple hits on survivors so they have too heal and waste time.
Honestly, all the things you describe come from the fact you're not playing killer right. I agree that Gen rushing and SWF are annoying, but body blocking is a legit strat,and if you think looping is "toxic" then you don't know what toxic is. Looping is literally the survivors only way too live besides being super immersed.
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You don't know my playing habits not thanks for the unwarranted advice. My bringing up gen rushing is just an example off the things survivors should be held accountable for but aren't.
And no, I'm not playing how survivors have dictated killers should play is the problem. Let's even break down the notion of "tunneling". It's so vague and has different definitions because I've found it usually accounts for anything that doesn't allow the survivor to get away deleting on who you ask. Convenient enough.
1) When you chase a survivor too soon after they've been hooked, that's supposedly tunneling.
2) When you haven't had a chance to move far enough away from a survivor before somebody rushes to unhook them, "that's supposedly tunneling".
3) When you come across a survivor who was just previously hooked and they haven't made a great enough effort not to be respotted "that's supposedly tunneling".
4)When you chase a survivor for an extended period of time whether they've been hooked or not "that's tunneling".
Again I'd love to know if there even is anything what survivors did or can do that anybody would consider unsportsmanlike like during a session short of disconnecting because there's a shot ton of things killers aren't supposed todo.
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You're really trying to bait hard here.
I never said I had an issue with your playstyle, I was questioning what you expect survivors to do, you seem to be an expert on this topic, tell us great killer, what do you want survivors to do to prolong the game so you don't 4K every match?
Again, my point still stands, only bad killers camp or expect survivors to "not get found", "just juke", "don't get hit".
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No, I was proving a point and I said what I said. I'll say it again plainly. There's far too many things that killers are expected not to do then what survivors are expected not to do for the sake of a "fair game".
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Uh, killers will tell you that’s not the way either. You’re right though, you don’t have to listen to anyone but if you’re searching for the best method forward, this isn’t it. I got a feeling it won’t even make you feel better when you do it.
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I've literally had 2 survivors disconnect during the beginning of a session. Hooked one survivor then found the last and got an angry message from the him after I hooked him saying I was "playing too seriously " and that I should have given him an opportunity to get away and because I didn't I'm what's wrong with the DBD community".
Again somebody please tell me with all the things killers aren't supposed to do, what is if anything considered unsportsmanlike like short of DCing for survivors to do ? If not looping, gen rushing body blocking and so forth.
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How dare Survivors attempt to Survive!! What kind of nonsense is this!? They should run in straight lines, and hold off doing gens for the Killer!
You’re actually so entitled, it’s hilarious.
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How dare survivors survive ? So again I ask. What is tunneling then ? A killer is doing what they're supposed to be doing.
The problem is entitled survivors I'm sure like yourself. Somebody told you all that the game revolves around you and it doesn't.
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When have I ever made a post regarding “tunneling?” Never. Not once. I actually expect it every game, and am pleasantly surprised when it doesn’t happen.
The only person entitled here, is you.
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The only entitled person here is you if you actually think looping is unsportsmanslike behaviour.
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Okay, so... what should survivors do to deter camping and tunneling? Toxicity* exists on both sides.
*Toxic behavior as defined by the reader
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I'm sorry? Have you not seen killers claim there should be some sort of penalty for people tbagging? What about flashlight clicking?
Camping is unsportsmanlike because as I've said before, it's the exact same thing as if you were in an old school shooter where you stood right at someone's spawn point and shot them over and over and over not letting them play the game. It's a frustrating and annoying experience that ruins the game for everyone because no one really gets any play time once you start camping.
Tunneling is unsportsmanlike for the same reason, although sometimes survivors will throw these words around without knowing what's actually happening, but if you did it intentionally, then it's unsportsmanlike behavior. You're ruining the game when you do these things.
Nothing survivors do can actually ruin the game for the killer, because the killer can keep them from doing it. Outside of body blocking, but even then there's a very likely chance that you can still hook a person even then, because you can still attack survivors, there's also Mad Grit to counter it. The only thing survivors could do to ruin the game for the killer is just running up to you and letting you kill them without any gameplay, and I have never seen this happen. Even in this scenario, you get more BP than a camped survivor would most likely, so it's not entirely wasted.
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Unfortunately, at this point looping is part of the core of DbD's gameplay. Camping doesn't discourage looping, either; in fact, it just reinforces survivors' belief that they need to do everything in their power to stay off the hook, because one hook = death sentence.
If survivors keep looping you, just ignore them. That's what I do. I've gotten unhappy messages from survivors complaining about how I didn't chase them. They'd run in circles, so I'd turn my back on them and go pressure gens. They hate that. If they click their flashlight at me begging for my attention, I ignore them. Sure, I could focus all my energy on them and tunnel them down and camp them, but that would just reinforce their behavior and give them the attention they crave.
Or, if you know you're going up against SWF, equip Leatherface and Hex: Ruin and do Totem Protector Bubba. Just stand in front of your totem and protect it all match. (Why Leatherface? Because his chainsaw means survivors can't try to body block while a teammate cleanses the totem.) You won't get looped because you won't leave your totem. You may get a couple hooks from survivors desperate to cleanse the totem, or you may just get four very bored survivors forced to repair five gens with Ruin active. If anyone asks why, tell them looping is boring so now you're memeing, instead.
Really, though, you're not teaching anyone anything by camping. Lately, a ridiculous number of killers I face camp. Even if I go down fast. Even if I never got a chance to lead them on a chase. Even if I got sandbagged. Even if I go over to a hook while healthy and point at it and am like, "Hey, wanna hook me?" If I get camped and tunneled out no matter what I do, then being camped by a killer can't teach me anything except to maybe play a different game altogether.
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I'm still waiting for anybody who feels like looping is ok to explain why they believe "tunneling" isn't.
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no one even mentioned tunneling lmao you just don't have enough arguments to prove that looping is unsportsmanlike behavior so you had to mention something else
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You might be waiting a long time, because most reasonable people, while they may not like tunnelling, won't tell you that it's not okay. Both are valid tactics. You're assuming that there's some kind of double standard going on here when there simply isn't.
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Because intentional tunneling is ruining that person's game experience. Is like saying... I get into this game just to ruin it for you... don't care what other survivors do.
Looping is a way to not get caught. Imagine you go into a game knowing that no one is ever going to loop. Is like saying... I'm going into a game and I know I only need to spot the survivors and that's it... they are going down because there's nothing they can do about it since my character is faster than their's.
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If you think looping, bodyblocking or anything else you mentioned is "unsportsmanlike behavior" you should probably just find another game to play.
No better than a survivor whining "reported for camping!!" in chat after a game. It's in the game, deal with it or quit.
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