Lately it feels as if valid concerns are brushed aside
You know..I do love this game..I'm good at it..understand it, am building myself up as an aspiring content creator and hopefully streamer on it.. But it's hard to just sit back and trust things will ne handled..the devs seem so polarizing lately..on one hand the freddy rework and update to the spirit were both fairly done and well handled.
Then we look at the nurse and the legion..Nurse has been left in a terrible shape..whole there is still power behind her she diesnt have that thrill and fun she once did..the addon changes EVERYONE was behind but now..just by moving at an even slower rate than before you go through double cooldowns every 5 seconds..watching as your target gains gree distance..the gen clock ticking in the back of your head making you frustrated and anxious to close in the kill.... Yet the only reply given by the devs is they have no intention if listening to feedback at this time..Legion , I like many of his new changes..he will feel more fluid and tag targets better..but his deep wound has held back the game..caused several killer perks to be weakened or held back, even in this update..
borrowed time has become a nearly god their uncounteranle mess of a perk that punishes all killers for existing, not just camping like it's intended..all thanks to the legion and the deep wound that now more than ever does nothing for him...And it makes me wonder..will the oni be a hit or a miss ? Will he still be good or just cooldown simulater like nurse is..? What about killer perks, will they be made better and more usable or will they be left meanwhile survivor perks get to be better and better..either way I'm affected as I play both sides quite evenly most of the time..but it just sucks feeling like the most simple and important feedback to make this game FEEL like it did when you first got on..the killer was big and scary, you felt like you had to think fast..but then you begin to realize it's not as exciting..but the better killers show it still CAN be...we just need the devs to listen..
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Dbd I think Is slowly deteriorating. It's not gaining players and no advertisements for it. Dbd needs a operation health and I think if either the fanbase demand it or youtubers and streamers start demanding it it will happen. It's sad isnt it.
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Well its gaining more notoriety..and the change to rank reset will definitely help newer players adjust..its just so slow at getting to the main balance concern..swf..they are just one step at a time buffing survivors in solo to that level..and now they've hit the two best killers one after another...it feels rough
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Its definitely gaining players, at least on ps4 it appears to be.
This just sounds like the same complaints players have for every game they play.
Also @immortalls96 please stop with the ellipses. It makes what you are trying to say really hard to read, especially when you have a super huge block of text where it is used as both periods and commas.
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Apologies if I'm not nit picking over something like spacing when I'm writing out my personal thoughts..silly me
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They literally said like two days ago that they're adjusting tome difficulty due to complaints. Dramatic much?
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I'm not talking about that..I'm talking about the core issues of the game itself gameplay wise..the tomes are merely accessories
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Survivors: "can killers just stop camping and tunnelling us so we can actually play the game"
Killers: "No. You're doing generators too quickly" procede to slug for 4k, camp and tunnel.
Survivors: run Borrowed Time, Spine Chill Adrenaline, Balanced Landing and keys to counter them
Killers:
"Survivors OP plz nerf"
There are people on both sides that are trying to make the game difficult for the other and it's having a rollover effect to the rest of the community.
People come here to voice their concerns and get shot down. Killers spout "Buh muh 4kher" and Survivors say that killers are using unfair tactics and both get called entitled and whiny in the process.
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Borrowed time is in the unique position among perks to where it's almost 100 percent uncountable in scenarios where you would need to counter it..and if rumors are true that the devs will change the dw parameters to distance base..well..then it truley will have 0 counters
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the counter is hitting the other player that is doing the saving?
If you're close enough to the hook to be activating borrowed time you're usually there to see what's going down, so chase the dude that doesn't have BT activated on him.
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I speak more if in end game scenarios..when you dont have time to land two hits before they can escape..and I find it odd how this one perk supposedly shouldnt have any viable weaknesses..every aspect of this perk is easily abused for a "downside" that becomes even less of one as time goes by..therefor..I see it as a problem
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I'm with SenzuDuck on this one and I mainly mentioned it to counter blantant campers.
And if we wanna talk about abusing perks, then why not bring up D-Strike.
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I do agree ds has issues to sort out but at least atm you can maybe slug to beat it depending on gate distance , but bt doesnt even have a real way to counteract it in the end game at all as your forced to be near your hooks to attempt securing a kill..and both can be used together for true god mode and its rediculous in my eyes that killer perks like surge were heavily scrutinized despite being frankly weak even at it's best state yet bt is allowed to be borderline unstoppable..
Plus legion with his deep wound has only hurt the game and by extension bt along with him
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is this a troll? BT is garbage since undetectable/oblivious came out. nurse has bbeen proven by tons of massive content creator killer mains that shes fine. sure legion is poop but i dont forsee him NOT being fixed
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They need to remove Deep Wound from Feral Frenzy and replace it with something else.
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Game needs more shirtless myers.
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Its actually been gaining players based off the steam charts. Compared to where it was at at March of this year with an average playerbase of 16k ppl on at any given time, its currently sitting pretty at about 23k ppl online. With the release of DBD on the windows store as well as more ports OUTSIDE of PC, its actually doing pretty well growing.
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If you want to talk changes. Honestly legion just needs to lose deep wound all together. He's at a point where he isn't aggravating to go against but rather just boring. He's essentially a m1 killer with a Sprint that has a lack of kill potential and lack of map pressure. He's just boring to go against and not really fun to play. While I agree with the speed buffs he needs deep wound to be replaced with either oblivious or something. Deep wound is just boring and even if it slows down the game slightly it isn't enough to really matter. Deep wound is better on borrowed time than anything.
Speaking of borrowed time, it's really not that great anymore. Freddy has the oblivious status while survivors are asleep, meaning BT doesn't work if the survivor is asleep.
Ghost faces stalk and pigs crouch also counter BT because they reduce the terror radius considerably. Insidious counters it because it reduces the terror radius to 0. So a camping insidious leatherface isn't affected by by if he waits for the right moment.
There is also the option of just Not camping and tunneling a survivor unless need be. Is there times where camping is the right play? Yes definitely. But you can't tell me as a person who plays both that chasing a single survivor non stop across the map when there are 3 other survivors doing gens in a game that's all about applying pressure is a good strategy.
Also nurse changes weren't that bad let's be real did they go overboard slightly? Maybe but it's a change that needed to be made.
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It's just the classic DBD is dying post. If it's gonna die then it would have happen in previous states where the game is just terrible in every degree yet here we are. It won't die on it's best current state.
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I've yet to see 1 of the more well known content creators play her more than once and several that I've asked said they've seen maybe 1 or two since release..and one even said they havent seen 1 well performing nurse since the changes..based off my own findings you couldnt be more wrong about the nurse..then again..you think bt is trash..a meta survivor perk..so..I cant really say I find you a reliable source in any fashion
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1..insidious leatherface could always cancel bt..that's not new so that's irrelevant
2..I agree and have stated in posts legion doesnt need dw anymore
3..nurses changes ARE that bad..as a nurse main it's the worst killer change since the after patch gf nerf..statistically it failed at everything they wanted it to accomplish and just sucked the fun away from nurse herself..both killing her play rate and Reducing community faith in their ability to change other killers without making similar mistakes
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I've said the same thing..its borderline useless
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Personally, BHVR has just gotten lazy because they monopolized an entire market. They know no one can/has touched them yet so why should they give it 100%? I've personally wanted too have 2 less chapters a years, but put out weekly updates/bug fixes. All games have weekly bug fixes, and DBD has 3 week updates. There's enough content in the game ATM too tide people over until the game is in a much healthier state.
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Agree thats how I feel mostly about this game aswell, it feels like many different balance designers are working on there own killers and sadly some of them as you said "Nurse and Legion so far" are bad, unfun and poorly made.
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go try using bt against any stealth killer/freddy right now and see how it feels. and if you genuinly think nurse is trash u were never a good nurse. truth hurts
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There are more survivors than there are of you, driving changes in this game. Do you lack basic comprehension?
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The problem with the Steam charts is that it doesn't show if that's the old players playing/returning or if its a constant flood of new players who'll stop playing within a month, only to be replaced by more new players.
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Agree, but maybe the devs will do that in the future with Legion, but I can imagin that will take ALOT of time, I mean look at freddy how long he suffered...
Even though the nurse change is needed, shes just boring now... but thats just my opinion.
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Nurse is fine? She's got the second or third worst kill rate in the red ranks since her nerf. She used to be top two. Nerfing the best killer into one of the worst is only fine if you're a survivor main.....
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I'm glad they got rid of the broken add ons although the base kit was overkill and I only play nurse for dailys
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And camping has counters? Doing gens is not a counter. I didn't pay for gen simulator and that's how games vs campers look like
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I just want it to feel like they're being fair
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You got ds even if you dont include bt, dh and sb can get you out of there too if need be..and seeing how camping isnt in any way viable unless they feed themselves to you it's almost exclusively a lower rank issue
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See..that kind of..attitude..is going to kill games like these
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Nobody disagreed over the addon changes
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Literally never have issues bt outside freddy..playing with randoms using it or friends ....then again I never crutched on that perk to begin with. And I just explained in detail the very real issues even the best nurse players I can think of agree with..the fact is you likely never play nurse or even like her..so you parrot the same line everybody in your position spews with the most petty school yard attitudes I've seen on this forum...I'd suggest you go educate yourself on the issue rather than come in acting like you know things then just settle with the "well your just not good!" When I am not like you..I compare what ive seen over those of very well known players to draw my conclusions..while you clearly dont do any such thing...So rather than trying to talk in circles as you dont seem to get what I'm saying to you..I'll just seek more productive convorsation..good day
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This is accurate af.
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To be fair they didint exactly seem to get what I was trying to point out
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No. Killers slug and 'tunnel' (doesn't exist) because of how good survivors have it. Infinite second chances, god loops, etc. Get it right. More like
Survs: play as toxic and selfish as they can, making sure them surviving happens even if it sacrifices any sort of fun for the killer
Killer: plays mean by slugging and going after the recently unhooked AND unhooker
Survs: *insert meme*
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I find the discussion about the various perks and abilities each character has interesting.
If neither the survivor side nor the killer side had access to any perks or add ons or offerings or items to start a match, would the match be based on pure skill alone?
And to make it baseline, no SWF groups in this hard mode variety of trial.
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No I'd say not because survivors are not very perk or addon reliant meanwhile killers can barely function without them minus demo maybe
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I run BT. Now tell me how does it counter Freddy, Wraith and others without the terror radius?
Low rank issue? Ye the problem is that low ranks are in red ranks already
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Camping killers dont reach red ranks..not nearly enough hooks..once again I can count on 1 hand how many bts failed recently and only 1 killer did it..and I was that killer..as freddy..vs someone already asleep...not my fault they made a dumb save mid chase
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Did I imply anywhere that somebody got boosted by camping? Some people camp even in red ranks just to ruin the game for others.
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That's a lot of committment..which I know most people dont have..sorry..but you got ds which no killer can cancel outright..theres just no excuse for bt to be uncountable..honestly..this kind of reaction just convinces me more it carries people too much because people believe it should have no downsides
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I don't think there was ever a point where nothing was brushed aside. They kept Freddy awful for a long time, and they've been nerfing pig since the EGC patch. I remember watching that stream and waiting for them to say something about pig, only for them to pretty much dodge the question when it was asked.
The fact is, they can't fix everything in one patch. They prioritize a few things and leave others alone. Perhaps they'll change mending and BT in the next patch. For now, we get buffs to non meta perks and... return of old legion. welp, hopefully they fix that one soon.
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They wont allow it..either bt is about to receive another buff
Or nemises and bop will be reduced to crap..
All thanks to our boy legion..
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Friend made a thread recently about the state of Demogorgon, and made passing comments on Clown, Nurse, Doctor, Legion, and Plague. He cited these Killers low play rates and win rates as reasons for them needing buffs.
@Peanits comes along like "uhhh akchually these Killers are hard to play so it's fine if they aren't played often and have a low win rate lol."
If the stats don't matter why the ######### are you publishing them?
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Borrowed time was always kinda busted at least from my perspective since old borrowed got you and the person you got off the hook out of any situation for free at the cost of it working once when they changed it from both getting out to one getting out but bt could be used an unlimited amount of times it wasn't much different from now legion didn't change much
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I often wonder that myself...I did my own digging into nurse via some streamers and found the nurses playrate has tanked and "good" nurses apparently no longer exist
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To be fair to peanits all killers are in the 2k range at least red rank wise what confuses me though even if the stats are exaggerated spirit shouldn't have gotten a nerf since she is in the 2k range
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