Bring back rank visible again
Please I beg you bring it back. If I see purple green or even yellow ranks in my team I want to be able to dodge.Its not fun getting a 4 min chase to get 0 gens done and being left 3 min on the hook at rank 1 with crouchmaster rank 15 claudette, or the freaking locker dwight. Please make it happen, I dont want to play with only 1 teammate for the rest of my games. its just a terrible experience.
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Yeah it's an even worse experience on console and it's completely unfun playing with immersed people who don't know when to get you and are to scared to even save.
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If I see purple green or even yellow ranks in my team I want to be able to dodge
That's the reason why it's not coming back. You increase the queue times for other players.
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a worse experience ? no its not. This change is good. I tell you what worse is. A 4 minute Chase this is not what Devs want to see. Deal with it
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And don´t show with your fingers to other people. Look for yourself. We all was new in this game, so don´t blame other players. If you think youre good, then show how good you are. It makes no diffrence, as long you play good you get rewardet for it. 4 minute chases, 5 minute genrush games, i tell you what...this is a bad game experience and a pain for killers. In my opinion this change is good for lowplayers too if they play with good players in a team. If you not want to play with lowplayers in your team, then go and play SWF cheatmode.
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Having a low ranked player in my lobby instantly puts me at a disadvantage in which i have no control over. After all, this is a team game. If i'm a red rank player, i expect players of similar skill level.
If they don't want us dodging lobbies, then they should be fixing their matchmaking, not hiding it from us so we don't know.
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If you're red rank, you should'nt be paired with green/yellow unless they're SWF with purple/red, no ? Or the matchmaker is broken again ?
Anyway, if you want to play with reds only, play SWF. Otherwise just try do the best for the team, get some BPs and move on.
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The change to hide the ranks was a step in the right direction.
People should not be provided with information that causes them to leave the lobby again.
Every time a player leaves the lobby the waiting time for the remaining players is increased by the average search time once more.
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Some people may want to see the rank just to know which teammate may need some help. Helpful players can then stay close and lure the killer away to protect the low rank beginner.
To prevent that players doge the lobby when ranks are displayed it would be reasonable to remove the ability to leave the lobby once players are assigned to one.
-> I value shorter matchmaking times higher than the ability to "choose" teammates and opponents.
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Today I played my first survivor game in quite a while (still purple rank even though I rarely touch survivor these days). To keep the story short:
- game starts it's a Hillbilly with Ruin, BBQ, Tinkerer and Overcharge. Addons were primer bulb and spiked boots.
- 10 seconds after the game had started the first survivor went down
- someone else unhooks a few seconds later
- Hillbilly downs both of them near the hook
- First survivor gives up on hook
- I'm gen jockeying between two gens in the meantime
- Second survivor gets hooked
- Hillbilly comes to one of my gens and tries to chainsaw me. He misses and I hop over a window and try to go for the unhook. The 2nd survivor quickly kills themself on hook before I arrive.
- Hillbilly loses me and searches the 3rd survivor. He finds them and downs/hooks them. I unhook the 3rd survivor and stand in front of Hillbilly to make him chase me.
- After getting chased for about 1 minute I'm still not even injured. He gives up to find the other remaining survivor.
- Hillbilly finds the other remaining survivor again and downs them only seconds after he had left me.
- 3rd survivor is hooked again and Hillbilly found me with BBQ.
- I stand perfectly still in front of him to give him a free hit. He doesn't even try to chainsaw me as his previous attempts to chainsaw me failed.
- He doesn't meme or anything and lunges from the distance even though I wasn't moving. It seems like he was nervous as I dominated him fairly easily.
I take the hit and run to the first pallet I see. It's a Z-pallet (fairly safe till bloodlust 2).
The 3rd survivor watches me loop him around the same pallet that he refuses to break for as long as the survivor was on the hook. Probably the full minute of second stage phase.
The survivor dies and the hatch spawns right next to me (what a surprise). I escape via the hatch and take a look at the ranks.
EVERYONE WAS YELLOW RANK INCLUDING THE KILLER.
Do you think I kept playing survivor after that match? I won't touch survivor again unless they REALLY fix matchmaking or bring back lobby-ranks. I don't want to play with yellow ranks that go down in seconds and won't touch a generator.
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The problem with rank and match making is that there just aren't enough players. The more I play this, the more I understand why. I'll likely be taking a long break myself, since for me, this game just isn't very much fun anymore.
It has to be absolutely brutal for new players. I can understand why the game doesn't seem like its growing at the pace it should.
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I don't know. I've played with a number of grey and yellows who are a deal better than purples and reds out there.
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What is the point of the ranking system if I'm still going to play with new players at the top rank? You can't blame anyone for not wanting to play a 3v1 match. If the matchmaking system wasn't a mess right now we wouldn't need this.
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I will admit....I'm kinda tired of losing games because we had a rank 16 in our Purple/Red rank match........
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As do many killers when they see certain items in the lobby and decide they don’t wanna play that match. They also contribute to queue times.
I for one would like to know if I’m playing with a low rank, because I need to know if I need to change my playstyle and lower my expectations. Not everyone wants to dodge, but having rank information is healthy for the game especially when the devs themselves wanted the higher ranks to “carry” the lowbies.
This was something that wasn’t breaking the game and considering how busted the matchmaking system is right now it helped out a lot to have a sense of who you are playing with.
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They are not going to bring anything back that gives people a reason to dodge. I am not saying that there aren't other reasons people will dodge, but this is something they can take care of easily.
@lindechene is totally right, shorter queue times are more important for the games health than picking/choosing teammates.
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Queue times are not going to be shorter if people stop playing survivor due to bad matchmaking combined with the lack of information about the rank of other survivors. Personally I've had one single survivor game today as you can read above and it's going to be the last survivor game for a while until they fix the matchmaking OR bring lobby-ranks back.
That kind of stuff makes me play killer only. What's the point of ranking up if you end up getting matched with baby ranks?
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If you dont show ranks you fix the mm or otherwise you keep the ranks. having 2 people doing nothing is just a deadweight if the killer is not totally new.
Its not about being good or not, first of all I can loop the killer for 10 minutes but if the rest of the team is crouching behind a gen with spine chill lighted up the game is not going anywhere, second thing its just plain boring and unfun to play like that. I dont want to be either the one only doing gens or the one getting chase for the whole game.
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How do you know if it is a matchmaking issue and not swf? If two rank 18's teams up with a 5, then they are treated as a 5. I know matchmaking is far from perfect, but it could be working right in these cases.
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This is exactly the reason why the devs got rid of rank visibility. You just stated you'd dodge a lobby because of rank. Players got tired of long wait times due to lobby dodging.
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We just gonna dodge every swf whichll make it even longer because some swfs are the same rank and now they get punished
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So true, had one claudette standing in the door way 2 feet from me on the hook, Killer chasing another survivor on other side of chain fence. Every time he looped him near and heartbeat got stronger she dipped back into the doorway. Second stage with survivor feet away.
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It was nice to know if we had like 1 20 so i knew if i needed to help them or not most people i play with can handle themselves against killers because of how long they played. A rank 20 isnt gonna have the same skills as a rank 7 unless they smurf and even then they dont have as much access to perks and everything.
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Yes I said it. And you will agree with me that having so much difference in rank in a single game is not healthy. I dont wanna go blind every game and hope I wont find at least 1 person that sits inside a locker.
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Unfortunately they have already said it's never coming back. Their reason being it leads to people dodging. I feel this argument rings hollow as nobody cares about killers dodging.
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What else is he supposed to do? These days you have to stay off the hook to the best of your ability, cause these days that killer is probably a tunneler or camper - and that's an even worse experience.
I kind of liked the rank showing along with their prestige level. I never dodge based on that cause you never know if someone is just smurf or took a break for awhile and came back, but it was nice to know if I was in good company or I needed to adjust if their was a new person that I needed to take some stress off them.
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To the people saying reverting this change would just make queue times longer, guess what? They already are. They are worse than ever.
It is bad enough to have to wait 20 mins for a match that only lasted 4 mins because of the newer players being stuck with a killer 4 times their experience/skill level.
If you were that worried about queue times, you would also have a problem with killers dodging due to items being brought into the match. Plain and simple.
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maybe if matchmaking was actually good then playing with people pretty much 7 to 10 ranks above you wouldn't be an issue
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3 pre, and I can't even dodge the two rank 11.
What a fun game it must have been, being tunneled until I got Iridescent chase and still 5 gens to go, yeah I see no problem at all, we let you play with your friends but we dont give a chance to the solo player to avoid this... thing...
no problemo
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When has the matchmaker ever been working? Besides rank 17-20 can be in any lobby which is stupid by design.
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Hiding ranks i think is just a way to increase the rank range that we can be paired with.
I dont even lobby dodge, but i just want to see what the ranks of my team are. If i see 3 green ranks i know at least one of them will be immersed AF.
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at least you know you have to be immersed like them otherwise its 1v1 with the killer the whole game since you will be the only one working on gens
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I play green myself and have rarely played with reds since the last matchmaker updates.
Some say that there's not enough red / purple players so if you dodge every not full red lobby you simply never play.
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Whats the point of the rank system if swf is just gonna drag in people who shouldnt be there rank 20 should not be in a red rank game regardless. If they keep this change they at least need to make it so SWF can only bring in someone above or below them 1 rank. Purples can pair with Purple Green and Red. Red can only pair with purples. Green Purple and yellow Ect. I am so tired of swf dragging in 2 rank 20s who just die instantly and me and the other person have to try to complete the gens against a experienced killer by ourselves. itd be fine if it just hurt them but i didnt ######### ask to be dragged into this. Now i have to dodge every swf so i don't get screwed.
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makes sense but at this point isnt better to show ranks to avoid a 3 men situation instead of forcing people dc?
@supersonic853 yeah, at this point rank system doesnt make any sense.
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It's funny how getting a high rank provides no reward but people are so finicky about getting it like why? What's wrong with playing the game for fun? I personally enjoy see a rank 10 drop a pallet on themselves and get downed while I have bond on.
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Because if it's a good killer, the next thing that probably happens is they come over and pop your gen. And every time that rank 10 goes down in ~15 seconds to the rank 1, the killer comes back to delete your gen until they are dead. Now its 3v1. Maybe they just fed 3x dying light stacks.
It's awful having such an imbalanced team. I was dodging like there was no tomorrow with the system and I was actually having way more fun as a solo Q survivor because I would get proper matches.
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It is but they obviously prefer to shove you rank 20s to make you d/c, then wait in timeout and eventually uninstall...
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I like challenging myself not trolling around...
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Okay then the challenge would be how many gens can you run the killer until they leave you or get you. Difficulty increases with how many purple rank and under are in your game 😂
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I'm always red rank, there are plenty on xbox that que times aren't even that long. Considering the are throwing low rank survivors in there the times arent even better.
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It's not fair for Red ranks to suffer because of another player's lack of experience with the game though (not doing gens, constantly healing, unable to run loops, quick downs, etc). That's like saying to accept a loss because of how long it would take to find a game otherwise. Also, this would affect Killer posthumourously as the Red ranked Surv will be able to slaughter lower ranked Killers in the long run. It doesn't help either way.
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I just liked being able to see the ranks and who is prestiged because it looked appealing to me. I thought it was a great feature
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I'd rather 1vs1 gennies than 1vs1 exit gates which are 1m from each other
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