Gen rushing and tunneling

Ive never understood what "gen rushing"

The opposite happens constantly. Many killers complain about gens, but only offer suggestions to slow them down (whether it’s longer gens or additional objective) while not even acknowledging tunneling and camping. So you would agree then, that any nerf to “genrush” should also include a nerf in the base game to tunneling and camping?

There you go it's supposed to be a TEAM based game, a survivor shouldn't be able to 1v1 a killer because it would make no sense for 1 survivor to be equally powered to 1 killer when there are 4 survivors. That's why gens get done so fast because people have the mindset of "we cannot get off gens whatsoever not even to help in chases" unless it's a Meg with a flashlight of course who never touches gens and just follows the killer everywhere.

If the killer is really set into tunneling a survivor, bodyblocking will at least guarantee the tunneled survivor will get to a new loop in which if they are good can prolong the chase for a while. You don't need every survivor in the match to be bodyblocking you just need to co-ordinate it.

Last night I had meme games with Mettle of Man and I had no problem waiting for the survivor to circle around a structure then once they go past me I jump behind them and in front of the killer to gain a token.

With the introduction of Breakout, it will slightly help you in bodyblocking if the killer is trying to hook a tunneled survivor but some people are so used to meta perks that they feel naked without changing their build (not targeted towards you Enitoni but some people really struggle when they don't run meta)

Bring a mori then smh

That's why everyone says the weakest to strongest are: Solo, Killer, SWF. I very very rarely play solo because it's true that you need to rely on randoms to do gens, loop, save, etc. You can't necessarily force randoms to play as a team and that's why SWFs have a HUGE advantage which nobody realizes called VoIP or some people are too stubborn to acknowledge the advantage (Not saying this is you @Enitoni just saying in general).

"The problem is that people that get tunneled don't feel like playing the game much after, because it sucks out all the fun."

Unfortunately there are unfun aspects for either side such as a 4 man SWF group gen rushing, 4 man SWF group playing as toxic as possible, or just terrible maps (Wretched shop) in which all survivors abuse the loops even when switching target all of them know how to play. But I realize that I just need to move on and try again because NO MATTER what game it is you'll always have bad matches.

"Cool, so you had one chance while a survivor was already at a hook. You wouldn't have the same chance if they just got unhooked and the killer was already there close enough to catch up to them immediately."

That's why perks are in the game like Borrowed Time, DS, etc. I've always argued with people who tell you to rely on perks but apparently we need to according to a lot of people. The amount of times I've seen a complaint and people reply with "Use X perk" is unreal, in my opinion a perk should help but definitely shouldn't be relied on to succeeded.

"It's also completely unnecessary. You don't have to tunnel to win a game as killer."

Depends on the scenario to be honest. If you're getting a 4 man commando squad and you find out they are super altruistic then the only way to win is to prey on that weakness. Other times if it's just a causal game when no side is sweating for the win then you're right it's absolutely not necessary.

"I'd like to clarify that by tunneling I don't mean finding the injured survivor first if they made no attempts to hide, I mean deliberately going after the survivor with the sole intention of downing them again even if they ran away from the hook and there are other survivors in view."

I agree I'm not the toxic type to rage at the killer but I do rant in calls when I get tunneled for absolutely no reason at all (Multiple gens left, didn't play toxic, etc).

Stopped IMMEDIATELY after you can't force randoms to play as a team. If they won't play as a team then you all will suffer, it's just that simple. Right down to the hatch standoff.

Exactly. I don't care about survivors fun. What's that got to do with me? I don't owe them anything and they don't owe me anything. I will tunnel I will camp and I will do what it takes to win. This game punishes me too much as a killer to care about anyone's fun but my own.

People say tunneling is not ok, but it is of course. It's a strategy you can use in the game the way it is designed now. It's just really not fun to go against, and it would be great if it was in some way discouraged, by nerfing that strategy, but at the moment I don't see how that would be possible.

The main difference is that survivors can only complete their objective of repairing 5 gens by repairing gens, simple as that. There's nothing more to it. They need to survive as long as possible and try to get 5 gens done before being killed by the killer.

Killers however are able to get kills and complete their objective without tunneling one survivor. That's the main difference, and why I think tunneling is just a strategy that is an annoying product of the game's overall design. Tunneling is just one strategy, whereas survivors don't have any other strategies for repairing gens other than just repairing gens. Obviously you could argue the objective design of the game is flawed, and the fact that it can be completed as fast as well. On the other hand balance wise it would hurt the game if survivors got increased objective time at the moment.

Typically it means each survivor tries to do their own gen for the first 3 or 4. This usually gets 3 done before the first hook, since the killer can only focus on one at a time and only likely knows where one is. On bigger maps it's really hard to counter since even if you know a gen rush is happening, you can't do much about it with most killers. Break chase on your current Target and he goes back to his gen and you waste time finding and traversing to the next.

While multiple survivors on one gen gets that one done faster, the killer can scatter them all and kick progress on the only gen with progress.

This is made worse by toolboxes and stuff.

But... All u have to do is use wispers and juggle it shouldnt be much of an issue and i dont think it should be complained about as much since its... The game for survivors. But... Im not saying oh tunnelling is just the worse were yeah it will feel like it if u are getting tunneled but alot of the time its overy whined about and way too much were yes there are killers that tunnel on purpose but thats not helping them unless ur team lets it help them. So if you have a good team tunnelling should be no issue (other than for you on that one game) but like i said before gen rushing is easily countered and so is tunnelling so there should be no isse.

On the big maps, unless you are a high mobility killer, there really isn't a counter for that type of gen rush though. Breaking of from a chase when you don't know what other gens are being done will make you lose. The person you chased will just go back to their gen and the others will likely be completed as you traverse to them.

It's not a gen speed thing, it's a map issue for most killers.

The best way to correct it is to adjust game mechanics so survivors need to cluster more often, so the killer can stop the effect of more survivors.

Rank?

If too many gens pop too fast I start looking through chests and other stuff. Maybe stare at the moon, if the killer wasn’t playing like a douche. If they were ######### em I’m popping gens. Blood must have blood.

They can, if you think they can’t then you’ve obviously never played solo survivor

I havnt played much killer this month but rank 8 (usually lower).