Is nurse ACTUALLY weak?

IMO, a Killer is only as powerful as you make them. Too many people complain when they can't rely on certain factors of a killer when they're changed, and that's the issue. They need to adapt a situation, not brute force it.

no

She is far from weak but NOWHERE near as good and dominant as she used to be before her nerfs.

6 seconds after two blinks and the timer starts at fatigue. So it's not a feels like, it is 3.5 seconds after 2.5 seconds of fatigue.

I'm not saying it makes her weak. It makes her boring to play when your chases are broken up into micro segments because someone at BHVR thinks cool downs are fun and interactive. Consider that the Nurse requires her blinks to move around the map outside of chase.

A better approach would of been to apply the cool down after a hit or a miss swing. This would preserve her map movement and keep her chases fluid and engaging. It also keeps with the goal of allowing survivors to gain distance after being hit by forcing Nurse into cool down.

I don't think she's weak but she's not that fun.

I unexpectedly did well with her lately, with a matchbox and only a few safe blinks.

she can indeed eventually catch a survivor running in a straight line...but it takes painfully long. Thus why I said “straight line with an occasional juke”. Check @Endstille ‘s comment history, he has videos showcasing this, and technically he’s not even showing the worst case scenario.

It seems like we’re arguing slightly different points though. You’re saying “Nurse is fine since you can force her to give up quickly if you mindgame her once or twice.” I’m saying “I enjoyed running a Nurse who was determined to get me for three gens, until, despite having two blinks on command, she had to give up on me and go try to pressure someone doing gens.” Some people pride themselves on looping regular killers for five gens, I prided myself on being able to run all but the very best nurses so long through mindgames and jukes that they had to give up or risk getting no kills. It felt extremely good and rewarding to do this. I don’t get that feeling anymore since the moment I force the second blink I know I’ve won the chase against new Nurse. That’s just not as rewarding.

People seem to have built old Nurse up into this unstoppable force that would get you 100% of the time no matter what. She absolutely could be juked, lost, or rendered useless through proper counterplay. Anyone who played with me against an old Nurse would clearly hear my tone of excitement when I heard the first scream signaling we were against her. Now it’s a tone of surprise because you just don’t see her anymore. And really that’s what I find most telling about her rework. If you never see her anymore, can you really say it was a healthy change?

She is faster but slower than a 4.4 m/s killer in a open straight line.

Take into account that bug though probably gives her the necessary extra distance... if that’s patched I hope they at-least make traversing through large objects take a bit less suction on the blinks. Right now there’s no chance blinking to a survivor around those there’s too much time.

Also there’s bugs atleast for me where I’m trying to use M2 and it’s not responding. always seems to occur at the times I’d have definitely hit. :P

I can only say, that nowadays i seldeom encounter the nurse, and i never died to one since the nerf. But in one of those games one actually got a kill.

And i mean it, i never disconnected because of the killer being a nurse, and if i her one now i know its an easy win.

It's pointless for me to say my experiences as a "Rank 1", since my queues usually are filled with people either in purple mixed in with some reds, or just reds by itself, likewise for the killer.

I believe in one night of gameplay I've encountered 9 nurses out of 28 games. The rest were Ghostface, Wraith, Oni, Spirit, and Trapper.

In all of those 28 games ruin was present and I cbt mark how long they lasted but that's deviating from the topic at hand.

In the 9 nurse games,

I escaped 5 times.

Died 4 times.

To tally the nurse, I wrote down on a notebook how many kills she got and how many gens were left when the game ended, and what map. To summarize, from Game 1 - 9...

1. 4 kills, 4 gens left (I died) - Swamp

2. 3 kills, 1 gen left (I died, randy got hatch) - Coldwin Farm

3. 2 kills, 0 gens (Escaped) - Crotus Penn

4. 1 kill, 0 gens (Escaped) - Hawkins National

5. 2 kills, 2 gens (Escaped with randy's Key) - Lety's Memorial Institute

6. 4 kills, 3 gens left (Died to Moris) - Gideon Meat Packing

7. 1 kill, 0 gens (I died to tunnel/mori) - MacMillan Estate

8. 3 kills, 1 gens (I escaped by hatch) - Haddonfield

9. 2 kills, 0 gens (Escaped) - Badham Preschool

I'll let you guys decide from here.

To me she's fine, shes not broken anymore, but she's not weak or falling behind either.

Happy accidents can occur though, no one’s complaining about it in how it affects her performance... there’s the meme “not bugs but features”... but really it’s an indication that if that’s gone she needs something in place and where she’s kinda weak... large objects are one of those things because it’s pretty damn predictable for the survivors what the nurse plans to do around those.

This is true for all killers :)

I just feel frustrated now when I have used up my blinks to attack a survivor but miss. I then have to wait as the survivor runs to and out of the exit gate whereas before, I would have had the ability to challenge that survivor's confidence.

I'm repeating myself from other posts, but I'm disappointed about the add-on changes especially her speed add-ons which were my favorite add-ons to use on The Nurse.

Oh don't get me wrong, her old state was absolutely unhealthy for the game.

Nobody should be able to get an almost guaranteed win in a PvP game because they learned how to play a difficult character.

Old Nurse needed to be removed. I just wish they would have reworked her into being both a fun and a viable character, instead of simply nerfing her.

she is weaker yes, but still one of the strongest. but thats not the issue with her, its more that the new base kit is unfun to play with so most nurse players moved on.

Devs bought insurance

Hmm... I might stop playing nurse for the time being xd was fun though ngl. Wonder if they even fixed her with the new map or maybe thought to give her less suction. Or possibly fixed the M2 bug. Who knows.

And I quote, from you, in this exact thread:

“With the years of survivor nerfs, with little to no push back on killers. You've essentially created an entire entitled killer class that just can't accept the change.”

Little to no certainly implies survivors were the only ones getting significantly changed.

My narrative, as we’ll call it, I suppose, is that the game feels a hell of a lot more fun to play as either side than it did when I stopped playing out of frustration back in early 2018. It’s not perfect, far from it, but at a fundamental level the balance has improved. My narrative in the last post was purely to disprove your stance that I quoted, verbatim, from you at the start.

Feel free to respond, but I’m likely done with this line of talk for two reasons: one, we’re derailing the thread, and two, shifting goalposts and continued hostile tone isn’t something I prefer to engage with.

...as for the sabo change, since you called that out, sabo I was fine with at the time, since again, as I stressed, some of the changes made sense. The disarm time being nerfed at the same time was what I thought was overkill.

I just want to say as a survivor she not weak just able to counter a little better. You still can’t reliably loop her, but her fatigue give us time to put distance between us and her.

She is weaker. It was a straight up nerf with literally no way to play her differently. In fact it forces you to play her in a very specific way or get extremely punished. This was a bad rework because it was lazy, it was dumb, and it was done by people who don't play and understand Nurse.

It does not make playing her take more skill, it just artificially limits the skill ceiling on Nurse. There is no other way to word it. With no way to make new plays and HER MINDGAME POTENTIAL GOING STRAIGHT INTO THE DIRT there is just this artificial ceiling that you hit where there is no way to be more skillful with blinking since you are limited every single time you blink.

It was poorly done. If you must nerf her PLEASE listen to those of us who play her and understand her. We can give you nerfs that are still fun and leave skillful gameplay intact.

Really tough to make blanket statements like "weak" or "strong" with Nurse right now. There are too many variables that go into playing her, from survivors, to maps, to add ons, etc.

Her long range map pressure is actually weak without range add ons. Her tracking is among the worst of any killer.

Her chase potential is very strong, but it comes with several major caveats. How good is the survivor and how predictable are they? Base Nurse has always been a game of prediction to an extent, except now the Nurse gets punished for guessing wrong. It doesn't even come down to an outplay at times. You have to make an educated guess at LOS breaks, and you'll never be right 100% of the time. How fast does the survivor react to the Nurse's reappearance animation? I've run into some survivors that are always just out of lunge range. Again, these aren't necessarily things you can do anything about as a Nurse. This was BHVR's idea of counterplay: give survivors the chance to do it right and punish the Nurse player for it. Is she still strong in a chase? Yes. But a wrong guess or two can complicate matters.

She can still snowball like crazy off of Infectious and still end chases in 10 seconds. Her tracking went from bad to an unholy mess because she HAS to blink to move at a reasonable speed, and her map pressure is completely dependent on your loadout.

She's just awful to play, not weak.