Here's our Daily Reminder that playing Nurse still feels miserable.

I'm probably the only person who enjoyed being chased by a great Nurse and being able to evade her.

I miss that feeling.

Fine, I'll comment one last time. I didn't want to, but your offensive stance here managed to bait me into it.

This thread started off with people complaining about how nurse's base-kit change ruined her, how she's not fun because of it, and how she's "too hard for someone to learn, they'll just give up." It wants either a revert on the base power or for a different change to be made instead, and people have been making recommendations between others just complaining about bHVR.

The problem is that reverting her power is too much. Base nurse, no addons, was the best killer in DbD, hands down. So that road is closed. That leaves one of two options: either making new changes to her power, or scrapping half the addon changes, and making new ones, since some nurse players don't like her new options.

If you want to make new changes to her power, that's going to ruin all the effort people have put in since the rework on getting new timing and muscle memory developed, and has no guarantee of having a better outcome than what we have now. You can't just reduce the cooldown on blinks, because that's just making her power what it was (read: too strong by far). Not many suggestions on this front have been very tenable.

Alternatively, there could be a second large addon rework. The problem is, how do you parse all the data you have from people playing nurse, and then draw conclusions from that to determine which addons are a success and which are poor, and in need of redoing? Thanks to the rarity differences between them all, the lower rarities are obviously going to be skewed in usage, but the problem is that a lot of her more advanced addons are "specialist" ones.

Most people aren't going to use the "immediately blink a second time after charging a full blink" effect, unless they're trying to learn how to master it. If they do use it, they'll be using it repeatedly, so that would skew the numbers. It's a mess, and short of just putting a poll in-game to ask people what they think, they'd be taking shots in the dark.

Then there's the problem of devoting time and resources to a second nurse rework while half the killer pool is abysmal in performance, and even worse on the fun scale. Untenable suddenly leaps back to mind, making me regret using it earlier when this is a much more fitting spot for it.

My point is, you're asking for a lot of time and energy to be spent on the strongest killer, when other killers need this effort way more, and it's the EXACT bullshit you'd expect of a nurse main.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I find those that say her base was overpowered to be the same who dislike that Nurse can go through objects and can't be looped by normal means. In other words, they still don't like the current Nurse and feel the Devs didn't go far enough. Devs could of added back the fatigue plus weapon wipe on top of a cool down and they would still be here stating she is the strongest killer. Damn if she's fun to play or not. Trying to convence or change their minds is pointless effort.

I hate this argument so much. It seems like you've never read the response to this ludicrous argument before: You can't "spam blinks" or just "wiffing a blink" You have always had to aim, time, and predict correctly to land hits with blinks. There are never free hits unless they are literally running into your open arms. So stop trying to pass that off as some sort of intelligent argument with depth because it is neither of those.

And she only requires more thinking because you have to factor in how punishing and useless her power has become now. You are essentially just a demogorogon that can shred through walls. Think about it, you aren't rewarded for using it to traverse the map anymore, and you CAN'T do mindgames anymore because you immediately lose them every time because of the recharge. So what does this leave you with? The same exact mechanic Demo uses with shred but you can do it through walls. That's what she's become, a shell of another killer that is more specialized... Not her own unique and powerful killer.

She may still be powerful and more than capable of 4k, but who want's to play a killer where you are constantly receiving negative feedback and are artificially limited not by your SKILL but by her new kit mechanic?

I mean if you look like 3 or 4 posts above yours you'll see why it isn't just an "easy win" since you had to do everything right while blinking or you literally missed every single time and do not get rewarded for it. And again, no such thing as free hits. Any free hits you get as Nurse are because of the survivor, not Nurse.

I can't even tell you how stupid that example you give is. Like I literally lack the literary skills neccesary to tell you all the ways in which that argument is stupid and doesn't mean anything. I mean green ranks? Fully aware survivors were probably potatoes? Still uses it like it's a solid example.

Yes, the rework does limit her aggressiveness and FLEXIBILITY. It did nothing but limit her. It offers nothing in the way of playing her in a different way. In fact, it forces you to play her in a very specific way or you are going to have a bad time, which I remind you is bad killer design. Secondly, she lost alllllll mind games since you will ALWAYS lose the mindgame because of the recharge. Every. Single. Time. So yes, she is severly more limited than before and able to do way less other than the rigid playstyle they have forced her into. Well done indeed.

No need for the aggressive behaviour man, cause all you sound like now is some aggressive child that has a problem playing his favourite killer. Which your not, so easy on the insults. You dont have to like my point, there are plenty on this thread that believe nurse is fine and others that say she isn't. Are we wrong to think otherwise, no. I just gave an opinion. To each their own. People believe nurse should be buffed for stupid reasons but I dont start throwing aggression at them. I've seen nurse dominate for so long, stuff happens. Shes still strong, again, just toned down how free and aggressive along with a sense of flexibility. To change something for one rank bracket means changing for all. So what seems fair for red ranks might not for greens yellows etc. Nurse was changed cause she dominated ALL brackets, like Spirit, like Billy. And now Oni and Ghostface now. I'm sure they'll tweak her if people complain enough sooner or later. I just think she isn't as bad as people make her out to be and that they should give her time. Killers are generally meant to use addons to sget results anyways. It's not like you'll have an empty survs doing well unless good map rng. If you want a basic killer to be able to do well with nothing is kind of asking alot considering. But hey again, just a thought.

Take the depip out of the equation, cause all that is saying is that it's a high rank hanging back at lower rank, killers can do that too. Take a genuine rank 15 on both. Sure basic perkless killer will shred through because they have bloodlust, large hit boxes, depending on the character, a great ability. Survs only have the loop to fall back to. The way I see nurse at lower ranks was that even though we had them every once a while, they were either good with her to know how to utilize her which made it impossible for low ranks to counter play or yeah they were bad. Which is another factor in this game. Take perfect nurse vs survivor. If the nurse has total control, survivors have little to no chance. The loops are all they have which can be cut cause it's a nurse. The only way a perfect survivor can beat a perfect nurse is to rely on the killer screwing up somewhere and taking advantage.

I dont know. Even if survivors messed up, if capitalised on, they were punished. If it was by a pallet or something, then alot of the time the pallet would drop and it's still gaining something. Yeah, some killers are not great for high ranks. Doctor for example but again. Changing something for one rank does effect other ranks, whether it be killers, survs or maps. Nurse perhaps should be tweaked to be better but not too much to make her impossible to deal with. I haven't seen much Spirits since her change, seen one and was crap. It's just the same as nurse, people unhappy cause she performs less of what she used to.

Just saying, I'm completely trash with nurse and barely play her but even then I'm able to get 2 kills at least with her.

That's all well and good but I want some clarifying factors:

What rank?

Are they SWF?

I feel like you would not be saying this if you were playing her in high elo.

They definitely weren't potatoes. They looped the hell out of me whenever they could. The ONLY reason I was able to kill 2 was because I got was able to time the blinks right and predict some of the loops. When I got a crazy ass blink hit or was inches away from one landing I knew she was broken. The idea of a good nurse player who would have actually MEANT to do some of this horrified me

-Devs change hardly anything about Nurse

-"Wayyyy too much wrong with her rn" as opposed to "Extremely OP pls nerf"

Does anyone else see the problem with this, that when people want change they eventually get change, but still complain?

It's because she can still blink through objects. They want her to be like Demogorgon but with the same base stats.

There were a FEW more like this, and there would probably be more, but I have effectively stopped playing nurse because I got what I wanted out of her (teachables for Legion)

Because the fun of a lot of killers I play live and dies by their add ons and those add ons are not permanent, so I constantly have to put blood points into said add ons. The only exception is Ghostface, and his BP gain is terrible.

unfortunately, as much as i love nurse, i'll have to make my statement too. nurse is genuinely unfun to play as now. she's way too clunky with her movement, and it seems like her blinks are more randomized than anything now, even when paced. her blink cooldowns slow her down a little too much, and any stuns, line of sight breaks, etc. just completely kill her no matter how well you play. sure, i've gotten good games with her before, but now she's overall just kind of terrible and it's sad to see that..

there has to be some sort of workaround for this rework of hers. the addons were fine to be adjusted, but the basekit she has now slows her down and forces her into bad positions practically all the time, and this should not be how a killer should play.

their powers are meant to assist them after all, not to hurt them.