Tier 3 madness and Borrowed time
I really feel like this needs to be addressed. If you are going against a doctor and are in tier 3 madness and you get borrowed time (and get hit) when taken off the hook, you can’t mend yourself because you have to snap out of it first. Meaning, you wind up going into the dying state (revealing your location to the killer) if you can’t snap out of it or find another survivor in time. Devs, PLEASE address and fix this! This has happened to me way too many times while playing survivor.
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Yes. Doctor can do a lot of stupid things, this is one of them. Also stopping vaults outright. It's so connection dependent, I can't tell you how many times I make it through the window, scream, then rubber band back to the other side. It's also dumb he gets free slugs that you can't do anything about because you can't heal while in Madness 3. If it's the case of being the last 2 survivors, all he has to do is slug one and put the other in Madness 3. It's impossible to escape the chase to snap out because you are constantly revealing your location and it's impossible to heal the slug.
Devs said they are looking to make changes to Doc on the last Q&A stream. I really hope they look at all this stuff but it's stupid. IDGAF if Doc isn't really a top tier killer, his kit has some stupidly unfair and unfun aspects that need a fix.
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Try getting out of tier 3 the moment BT activates or he leaves you. The Deep Wound timer will not go down while in the terror radius. A lot of Doctors run Distressing, which makes his terror radius around 40 meters. By the time you exit his terror radius, you should have snapped out of it and already started the mending action. If he continues to chase you, then loop him until he leaves you. Make him want to stop chasing you and the moment you see him leave, start snapping out of it. The Deep Wound timer also pauses while Mending, so you won't have to worry about going down right after you snap out of it.
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Also ‘calm’ add ons are popular.
I run calm spirit because screaming while being slugged gets old.
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As much as I love Calm Spirit as a Doc counter, sadly you are still stopped from doing certain actions in Madness 3. I think it's time to revisit Doc and rework his power to remove this kind of BS. Not being able to gens is fair, but not being able to heal is stupid.
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If it can stop three gen unstoppable doc then I’m for it. I’ll still run calm spirit regardless though.
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I will say on the he flip side, the amount of times I shock someone and then there's a pause between them getting shocked and them reacting, long enough to vault or throw down a pallet, kinda evens it out. His power is just inconsistent with when it does and doesn't work
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"Kind of evens out"
No, just proves how broken his power is. If it's not consistent for the killer that's bad too.
I would be fine if shocks forced a slow vault because that would be consistent for killer AND fair to survivors.
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If you mean broken in that Doctor just doesn't work then sure I'll agree. If you're implying any aspect of him is overpowered though, that's a different story.
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I mean both. He is functionally broken and broken in a game play sense. Rubber banding is a dumb thing to happen, and with Doc it happens all the time. He is a walking lag spike. Plus as I mentioned before the whole "can't heal in Madness 3" thing is broken because it means if Doc slugs there is nothing you can do about it.
Nothing about his kit is good. He needs to be fixed in more ways than 1. I'm all for making him a stronger killer if that means some of the BS aspects of his kit were removed also.
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Doctor needs all the BS stuff as it is. I have never had a problem with him the few times I've met him. He is SUPER loopable, even with his shock.
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No he doesn't need literal broken mechanics. It doesn't matter if he is loopable, the fact he can do certain things and is super inconsistent is game breaking.
I guess you missed the part where I said he should be made better just remove the BS.
How people can defend this stuff is beyond me. Yes, it's totally fine when you shock someone and they vault anyway with a 50% chance to rubber band back to the other side. Yes, it's totally fine that he can stop you from healing/mending because it's never important that you do that. No. It's broken BS, needs a fix. Make him better in some other way.
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I agree, I think dr needs a total rework.
These are my reasons:
1 he is NOT op by any means BUT he is extremely annoying. It is the killer that I really don't want to verse, everything about doc is annoying and frustrating despite being pretty weak
2 his mechanics often conflict with other game mechanics, such as BT, and they are quite erratic. I have also experienced the "rubber band" effect while in tier 3, a scream can sometimes undo a window or pallet vault. I don't know why, is it a bug? fps drop? lag? but it does happen with doc.
As it stands dr needs to be fixed, he needs to be made stronger without being as annoying as he is
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It isn't hard to snap out of it. I have never had that rubber banding problem you are talking about. Granted, my time playing against Doctor is somewhat limited. Since mending is paused while you are in a terror radius, just snap out of it when you get somewhere kinda safe and you should have PLENTY of time to mend since every doctor runs Distressing.
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Doctor can be weak AND have stupid stuff in his kit at the same time guys.
Since he's getting revisited, some fixes AND buffs would be good.
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That actually isn't as easy as you make it. If you Snap Out close to the Doc he will just shock you, he doesn't even have to hit you, and if he wants to hit you he can. If he walks away at all or has Calm add-ons you are completely screwed. You miss a single Snap Out skill check and you will go down from the DW timer. I honestly don't think I've ever seen someone Snap Out AND Mend successfully, and I've see this situation many times. The only actual way to do it is to get someone else to Mend you but that's not always an option.
I've seen this exact situation play out way too many times. Doc hits a guy, they get BT but are also in Madness 3, they can't Snap Out in time and go down from DW timer. It's dumb. Your solution is to basically do it such that the Doc gets a free shock/hit on you. That doesn't work.
Yes exactly. Old Legion was weak but he had some really stupid stuff he could do which is why he was changed. It doesn't matter how good the killer is, stupid stuff is stupid. Not being able to heal or mend in Madness 3 is stupid. Rubber banding constantly when vaulting windows is stupid. Literally never being able to hide from a killer is stupid. A power that makes your frame rate take a giant nosedive every time he shocks is stupid. He needs to be changed, and if is made better while they remove the stupid stuff I'm fine with that.
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Just like the Legion example, BHVR doesn't have a great track record with that. I would LOVE if Doctor got the Freddy treatment, however, I fear he will get the Legion treatment. Power is useless but hey at least he isn't annoying now. I agree with the framerate, it SUCKS on Xbox. DW will not go down if you are in his terror radius. Before that change I would have agreed with you 100%. Now, however, if you go down because Doctor decided to chase you after you got BT, then DW had nothing to do with that. If he doesn't chase you, Snap Out of It and mend. If you go down to it now, after the change, thats poor time management.
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Try it.
Next time you get a Doc let him put you in Madness 3 and on a hook. Have your friend save you with BT. See how well that goes.
PS. It won't go well. Like I said I've never seen someone successfully Snap Out and Mend before they went down. The only time I've seen someone get away like that is when someone ELSE Mends them first.
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I actually did this at purple ranks a couple days ago. He smacked me as soon as I was off the hook, BT proc'd, he went after my buddy and I started to snap out of it. Still had roughly half a bar of DW left when I started mending. He was running Distressing so, maybe it's harder without it.
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Lmao, survivors complaining about doc in 2019. First of all, doc used to have a strong BT counter back in the days, when you needed to have self-care in order to heal, since the timer was very strict, the timer would go down no matter what and you hadnt the material time to snap out and heal. Also wraith can even deny BT at all, yet nobody has any problems. Survivor have plenty of perks to counter killers powers, then why killers cant?
In the end, doc is F tier, his power is so inconsistent on vaults and pallet drops, he's add on dependant, and the only way he could be annoying is if you 3 gen yourself, but in that case its your fault.
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It seems like those Survivors were just trying to get to a safe location before snapping out of it instead of just doing it on the spot. It's 100% their fault in that case. I’m hoping the devs realize this and continue to let Madness 3 counter BT.
Also, why can't Killers have parts of their powers counter certain Survivor perks? Survivors have perks and a mechanic that can shut down most of a Killer’s power (sabotage for Trapper, Calm Spirit for Doctor, and OoO for most stealth Killers), it’s only fair that Killer powers can counter some Survivor perks. Wraith’s cloak counters BT but nobody talks about that. Is it just Survivors not wanting to get good against Doctor?
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Hmm yeah, mending should take priority there.
I'd actually prefer an additional button, but it'll get messy.
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Doc is 100% fine, if anything he needs some buffs, not more nerfs.
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Lol, I'm also in favor of making doctor more powerful in exchange for being less annoying. He's actually rather weak when you know exactly what his power does. Especially since the duration of how long his shocks prevent pallet drops or vaulting is ridiculously short.
This madness 3 BT combo you hate so much is really not that hard if you just approach it intelligently. Either the doctor is or is not chasing you. If he's chasing you, deep wounds isn't going down. If he's not chasing you, just snap out of it instead of trying to find cover like almost every single survivor seems to do.
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Dear Lord....
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I haven't read the entire thread, but I'd just like to point out that now Deep Wound does not go down if you are mending or running. It's not related to TR anymore.
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Yes, let's castrate Doctor even more. My god, is there nothing people won't complain about?
Better remove killers weapons too. All they should be allowed to do is chase, and eat pallets.
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Psst, check the date, Almo.
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Hahah I thought I did check the date! :D You're right.
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