We're not gonna act like gen speeds are fine as is right?

This kinda reasoning is why gen speeds are only a problem at the very start of the game.

Past that the Killer is capable of using momentum gained from hooks to buy them more time to get more hooks and so on. Meaning for most Killers it's reasonable to keep momentum going long enough to secure a win.

The issue is thus only either with Killers who have so little anti-loop that this isn't enough, or Killers that struggle early on and thus can't get that critical first down in time. This is also why both a secondary objective or speeding up Killers is both more effective than slowing down gens directly.

And even then there is obviously some degree where it stops to be a problem and starts to just be the Survivors doing better (which is the right reason to win)

But the fact is a fair killer without camp or tunnel has to get 24 hits to kill everyone, which means 24 surv mistakes... as killer, even 3 or 4 mistakes could mean a complete defeat and gg ez for survs.

Its not that this game is actually rewarding hide and seek tactics. Most maps get generated with open spaces where you can see survivors across 75-80 % of the map since the engine change in 1.4. And back then generator times where even shorter than today. Most of the games I see when I play random end with at least 3 survivors dead on the hook at ranks 10-4 so I do not see how and why generator times should be extended even more. I would rather like to see a lot of design mistakes revoked or reworked, for example that killers can actually see survivors over most obstacles like boxes or hay cubes for examples. And for my taste the ultimate crutch for killers, the scratch marks, have completely lost their justification to still even be in the game at all.

The only thing that these type of videos show is that many if not most of the players asking for gen speed to be slowed down or a “secondary objective” is that you want more time to correct your mistakes and at the cost of a survivor out-performing you no longer being a thing.

Also, slowing down gens would also benefit campers who clearly want to play the game in a way where it is just to annoy survivors (i.e. Not chasing, don’t care about emblem points). Because only focusing on gens is the direct counter to camping.

The people who want a secondary objective are normally survivors who would rather do something else than repair a generator for 80 seconds.

Of course I do and why I posted a more recent video with new Nurse as well 😛. I also said the same just a few posts back to someone else.

Sometimes it's better to read the whole thread 😉.

Oh? I'm going to have to find it then!.... is it of zubat again? Him playing the new omega blink nurse?

Either way dude... you're using one of the best players in DBD... and even then he loses to survivors when they wanna win... just yesterday he played a Billy match and depipped..

It's not the best example because 3 gens can be done in about the first minute and a half of the match, which means technachly a game could end in about 3-4 minutes of the killer isnt playing or is just so bad they cant find anyone. But more realistically the games will end in about 6 minutes because survivors dont want to leave their team behind

How could he? No one could do any better in this situation. It's simply not physically possible too down/hook people and pressure gens when the survivors only hold M1. This wasn't the killer playing bad, it was survivors abusing gen speed too end games faster then they should. The problem is gen speeds, they need changes. No game should end in 5 mins unless the killer is afk.

@TheCrookedMan

Im all for making the game more interesting while adding content for both survivor and killer that isn’t for the sake of giving extra time because that side wasn’t proactively successful in finishing their objective.

Also, the people who want a secondary objective from where I’ve been reading are killers. Survivors only respond because the idea that gens could be slower is already an awful/unfun idea to begin with. Not because they fully agree with it.

This isn’t the direction the devs seem to want to go in. Hence why builds like Forever Freddy are gone.

You brought up slow down perks, and I think that is fine. Time to spare is also one that allows you to correct your mistakes. Under a version of gens where they are slowed down what purpose would some of them serve other than to make the matches awefully long. Not to mention the huge benefit for making up for time you otherwise didn’t use wisely....

You missed a few swings? No worries Gens are slow now, you can miss a couple more times.

Wasted your time, looking for that Claudette because you didn’t know when to stop? No worries, gen speed now rewards you more time so you can afford to look for that one survivor.

Want to camp but fear that gens will pop too quick? We got you! You can rest assured maybe 1 will pop and you can camp a survivor all the way till their death, and you the game will still reward you more kills.

Make Totem worth 2k bold. This will make it more enticing for survivors to not do gens and do other things

Here we go with another “I think this NEEDS to change so that the game is fair for everyone and everyone gets their fair share of Choccy Chip Cookies” 👀 needs milk? Everyone will get the same amount per glass. Don’t worry

The thing is, the game will never be able to punish killers playing using the easy button because what can the dev's do? Nothing to stop them from doing it. Give them less points you say? Doesnt matter when they can still 4k and ruin everyone's game. The gen speed is fine where it is, there's a number of perks and killers that outright stall the game and makes it severely brutal to do gens. And no we should not balance the game around the 5% of players that are in the highest ranks because in semi high to mid ranks is where most of the realistic problems lie when everyone isn't playing with a sweat stain dripping from their forehead and have mastered the games mechanics to the T. And to add to that, changing anything about this game that crucial would mutilate the console players. Not everything should be based around a pc game and on how pc plays. On console you are not going to insta 360 the killer, you are not going to get great skill cheeks every second and you're going to make it that much easier to play as killer. The reality of the situation is, killer has such ease of use that asking for the game to take longer and give the killer more breathing room because "oh wa'ah killer is so hard" is utter crap. You take a decent group verse decent killer, killer wins. You take a sweat killer vs a sweat team, full on, killer still comes out with at least 2 kills and still has the highest blood points for the match. The fact of the matter is, killers can kill only one person in a game and still have nearly the same BP's as the survivor that had to play perfectly to escape. The amount of effort it takes for the amount of BP's you earn while doing things as both killer and survivors Is extremely killer favored. There is very little punishment at all for killers playing with an easy button nor does it punish killers enough when they make mistakes considering it takes 1 mistake to get hit and a second to get downed, with near flawless execution to pull off a good chase that will still end up in that person dying at some point and that killer could of made hundreds of mistakes but will still win the chase. When it comes to pros vs cons for both sides, killer wins out in both categories, more pros, less cons.

stop complaining lol, not enough pressure was applied ig and thus made the game easy for survivors. tunneling is a horrible excuse for kills

The irony of people drawing conclusions that gens are too fast from these videos that get posted every other week but disregarding anyone who brings up stats of 1000s of matches the devs tracked.

What philosophy do you think they should balance around instead? "Killers/survivors should always win"?

"You win some, you lose some" should be everyone's attitude to competitive games, honestly. Not just developers, but players in particular. If you go into every game expecting to win, you're going to be disappointed a lot.

Serious question.

If the Killer is one player, and they can only be at one place at a time, how do they stop people from doing gens when they are chasing someone?

There is a high chance at least one Gen is going to be complete within the first minute and a half of a match. This just feels bad. And hooking someone doesn't really provide pressure when survivors can just ignore them for nearly a minute.

As a survivor main I almost never feel pressured by the killer unless:

1. My team is going down really fast/are real bad at chases.

2. I am the one being chased.

In every other situation I am free to do gens. Hell, if there is one player who gets instantly downed and hooked I ignore them until I am done my gen. Usually someone else has already pulled them off way before that though.