Some data on Legion's performance since the Oni update

Almo
Almo Member, Dev Posts: 1,120
edited December 2019 in General Discussions

Hi!

We've got enough data since the Oni release to make some comments on Legion's performance after the speed update.

For all platforms, all maps and all ranks, from Nov 2 2019 to Dec 2 2019, the Legion's average killrate was 61.99%, ranking him 12/17 in killrate. For reference, Nurse is at the bottom with 43.9% and The Nightmare is at the top with 70.83%.

In the same period but just looking at ranks 1-4, Legion is ranked 13/17 for kill rate. It's still Nurse at the bottom and Nightmare at the top.

If I switch to all platforms, all maps and all ranks from Dec 3 to Dec 19 (The Oni released on Dec 3), Legion's killrate is 62.5%, but that ranks them at 10/18 for killrate.

Just looking at ranks 1-4, the killrate is 71.2%, ranked at 12/18.

These are not massive changes, but they are noticable in a statistical sense given the sample size in terms of number of games played. We can conclude that the Deep Wound change (running stops the timer instead of TR) combined with the speed change (restored vault speeds and 5.0 m/s -> 5.2 m/s Frenzy run speed) were a net buff to Legion, both in terms of raw kill efficiency and in relation to the other Killers.

EDIT: Typo. It's out of 17 Killers the first month, then out of 18 after the Oni release. Apologies.

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Comments

  • edgarpoop
    edgarpoop Member Posts: 8,343

    I typically do ok with Legion at red ranks. You have to be really solid in the fundamentals though because Legion has very little to help with actually downing people. But they give decent stall and very good map awareness due to killer instinct in Feral Frenzy.

  • xChrisx
    xChrisx Member Posts: 917

    Can even be balanced for you. But is very boring to play against and as in terms of efficency and map control

  • kate_main
    kate_main Member Posts: 178

    Of course they're good

  • Alice_pbg
    Alice_pbg Member Posts: 6,556

    Rank 1-4... you would imagine not a lot of console players would pick her at that rank unless they were good. I don't even remember that last time I saw her... :p

  • TAG
    TAG Member Posts: 12,871

    Would I imagine that? That seems like an assumption to me. :P

  • Alice_pbg
    Alice_pbg Member Posts: 6,556

    I wasn't saying you in particular...just more of a common sense type of deal.

  • TAG
    TAG Member Posts: 12,871
  • Alice_pbg
    Alice_pbg Member Posts: 6,556
  • monka
    monka Member Posts: 66
  • Vetrathene
    Vetrathene Member Posts: 1,425

    Comparing one month of data to 3 months of data is not a good comparison.

  • kate_main
    kate_main Member Posts: 178

    Being worse than other killers doesnt make them bad,lol.

    But go on, keep crying, I'll keep playin Legion because ,you know, I actually know how to play them.

  • Sonzaishinai
    Sonzaishinai Member Posts: 7,976

    Ow nurse how the mighty have fallen

    These stats say he's in the bottom half of killers so maybe a slight buff? :3

  • Alice_pbg
    Alice_pbg Member Posts: 6,556

    Also susie got a sweater. All around just positives. 😎

  • supersonic853
    supersonic853 Member Posts: 5,540

    Sure theyre fine in stats but are they fun? Legion feels like mercy from overwatch a character who was op a whole year then she got reworked and nerf spammed and now shes "decent" but boring af to play considering all you do is aim a stick at someone. Legion all i do is smack and run smack and run which was fine when we had stbfl and other stuff but sucks now.

  • UncannyLuck
    UncannyLuck Member Posts: 210

    Thanks for the stats! Glad to see my initial reaction to the changes was wrong. I thought I'd miss being able to use DD during frenzy more but it turns out not to be a big deal.

  • Liruliniel
    Liruliniel Member Posts: 3,047

    Any chance you'll ever consider reducing the penalty in FF misses to instead reflect X power duration is lost? I noticed on console's a random dip in FPS really screws up Legion when in FF on occasion.

  • ASpazNamedSteve
    ASpazNamedSteve Member Posts: 1,784

    These stats are always interesting, but everyone draws too many conclusions from them.

  • Accullla
    Accullla Member Posts: 984

    Don't read too much into the nurse stats, as they include console. On ps4 facing a nurse as survivor has always been an almost guaranteed escape, unless you face one of 4 people that took the time to master her (in the EU region at least)

  • UncannyLuck
    UncannyLuck Member Posts: 210

    People on here don't know how to read stats. See: people complaining about 3 months vs 1 month for averages.

  • Sonzaishinai
    Sonzaishinai Member Posts: 7,976

    I still hope they get some tweaks but i'm glad that we can atleast say no they are not the worst killer in the game

  • Vetrathene
    Vetrathene Member Posts: 1,425

    Yes. If you look into scientific studies you need a valid comparison. Which means doing them for the same amount of time. Also the longer you do a study the more valid and realistic the data will be. One month of time is not nearly enough to figure things out.

  • UncannyLuck
    UncannyLuck Member Posts: 210

    That's uhh not how that works at all. Length of study doesn't correlate with validity of study. He could just take the data from the month before the changes and the month after and he'd probably see something similar (unless you believe that there are significant outliers in the 3 months or for this month that are skewing the data).

    One month of data is plenty of time to draw conclusions. It's not like legion changed radically.

  • Perelie
    Perelie Member Posts: 433

    Except the stats are completely skewed by DC's..

  • UncannyLuck
    UncannyLuck Member Posts: 210

    The stats do not (or did not, for the 3 month ones) include DCs, and it has been said that they don't look any different whether they have DCs or not.

  • Perelie
    Perelie Member Posts: 433
    edited December 2019

    Either they count DC's or they ignore matches that had DC's (In which case, most matches wouldn't count), either way it's messing with the stats.

  • EldritchElise87
    EldritchElise87 Member Posts: 626

    Legion can still kill survivors and not be fun to play. That's the issue for me, is that you can make them work if you really want to, but its just not as fun/rewarding as nearly anyone else. Getting stunned half the game without any real advantage for it just isn't good.

    He needs a full reword of his power imo.

  • Shame that doesn't account for fun, you sure sucked all that part out of him. Slightly more effective at the cost of being actually enjoyable to play as...but whatever, you guys are gonna do what you are gonna do anyways, we should know that by now.

  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 5,229
    edited December 2019

    They still feel the same to me, I don't really notice it tbh. Also making someone else have to mend isn't really my idea as fun, the literally limitless potential of more fun things they could give him in it's place is literally limited only by imagination.

    I agree with the latter stuff though a lot, the big problems I have are that he is always getting stunned and for so long, miss an attack, land another attack, pallet, power runs out, stun stun stun stun stun..... It's very frustrating. Especially the miss penalty, if they have Dead hard then it's just another stun on the stun pile for you, plus the dash itself you are probably not catching them again any time soon.