3 gen killers who won't chase
I'm having more and more games like this where from the start, the killer is using the three gen strat and will not chase. I could see a counter to it if I were SWFing and could get some help, but I spend the entire game trying to get one done, and being chased off, when my teammates have no idea whats going on and get all the gens done outside the area.
Is there any counter to this as a solo player with teammates who don't realize what's going on? And is anyone else seeing this more and more? It's getting to the point where every time I play, it's several games in a row that killers are doing this from the start, and like I said, as a solo survivor, what do I do (besides just kill myself to get out of these boring games)?
Is this a result of the challenges making the game awful and killers just want to kick x amount of gens in a game and therefore it's happening SO MUCH MORE frequently as the challenges are wrapping up? I didn't touch the game for three days because I was so tired of this, and two out of my last three games have had this happen.
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I love the 3 gen strat with trapper set up and just wait someone will mess up
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Thanks for the least helpful response ever.
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It's not something that needed counter, it's more to map awareness, a good strat i would say is avoid jumping on a gen with more then 2 players and go to the opposite side of the map
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sometimes that's the only way to get a decent game for the killer, otherwise it's over in 5-6 mins
blame the maps, and teammates.. not the killer
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So you're saying there's no counter. If I am aware from the start that the killer is doing this, going to the opposite side of the map and doing gens he's not patrolling doesn't fix the situation at all. I'm always aware that the three gen could happen and actively do my best to avoid it. If a killer chooses to do this from the start and I'm not on comms with teammates, there's nothing I've been able to do.
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Nope. No counter. You're #########
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Best thing you can really do is preserve whatever pallets you can in that area. It does you no good to lead chases in that area and throw down pallets when your teammates arnt actively attacking those gens yet. It just leads you into situations where by the time you HAVE to get one of them done with everyone else...theres nothing to work with. Also helps to have toolboxes and such ready to knock those gens out faster. If the killer isnt pressuring you for the other gens, save the toolboxes you brought in with you and maybe try looting one from a chest. If you have a BNP with you, that last gen is a good opportunity to use it.
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That has been my experience so far. Insert dramatic sigh here. I had one game where one teammate tried to help me and then got chased off and never came back. Then a second one tried to help me and got chased off and never came back. All the while gens were popping outside the patrol zone and I never saw the third teammate.
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Why bring comms up? I'm a solo que survivor, you have perks and icons status to communicate. What you're implying is hiding and waiting for the killer to be away before jumping on a gen, if you're in a chase, you're contributing to your teammates, it's up to them to be optimal during the chase period like planning out gens/sabo hooks/break totems etc
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Use Small Game to get rid of the Ruin early. If you need, try Deja Vu along with a stealthier build so you can knock out one of the 3 closest gens.
You don’t have to be a full-on gen jockey, but if that’s your team’s Achilles heel, then I’d suggest you get it knocked out as soon and efficiently as possible.
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Not sure what you mean by "What you're implying is hiding and waiting for the killer to be away before jumping on a gen." I have games where the only chase the killer will partake in is to get me off one of the three gens they're patrolling so they can kick it and go check the other two. It's literally been impossible to get gens done when a killer just will not chase at all. I almost never bring in toolboxes so I can't sabotage hooks but I do do totems and run Small Game. Even so, that won't fix that eventually there are going to be four gens done, and the killer has been patrolling the same area the whole game, doing nothing but smacking me once and kicking the same three gens.
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I do run Small Game. Ruin is incredibly difficult on console. I'm just going to take all these replies to mean there isn't much I can do if the team isn't aware of what's going on and the killer literally will not chase. It's just so boring because it's happening more and more lately and I'm honestly starting to play this game less and less as a result.
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From what you're title says, i assume killer is patrolling because people are hiding, with 3gens up i don't see why killer won't chase unless survivors are all hiding and not doing anything
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Did you only read the title?
From the start of the game, the killers patrol three gens and won't chase. My teammates are not hiding because they don't even need to be - they're doing the other gens that the killer hasn't even checked once, not realizing what's going on. I try over and over again to get one of the three gens done, only for the killer to smack me, kick the gen, then go check the other two. Rinse and repeat for the entire game.
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You need one survivor on each gen, the killer won't be able to pressure all of them at the same time. It will take a while to finish one of them because you will have to run away, then return and repeat until one of them is done.
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No i read your article,.what you're saying makes no sense if patrolling alone killer won't assure a 3 gen lockdown and i have never went against killers who did so like you implied ( not chase and continuously lockdown 3 gen without chase)
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Its actually a pretty common tactic to see with Doc since you can generally force ppl to waste time snapping out of madness 3 while at the same time breaking pallets in the general area of the 3 gens youve decided to stay on. Eventually it just results in a giant dead zone with survivors struggling to make ANY progress between being chased off, left injured and having to snap out of it again.
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If you say so, but like i said i never experienced this and i can only speak on what i've experience. I'm a red rank survivor(not bragging, merely emphasizing experience). Don't think you can do this at red ranks just saying
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Was looking for a Tru3 video I saw awhile back of him having to deal with it. Its not uncounterable or anything, just boring as all hell having to recover over and over before making a dent of progress again. I'll see if I can find it for ya.
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i personally don't play like it and try to win by 3 hooking everyone,but that's not always possible.Killers do it cause they are forced to do it if they want to actually win and not have 4 people escape everygame(i with my playstyle would say i win 4/5 games,others are 0ks,or 1,2ks)
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It's a strategy in the game, why are you crying?
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Try to have one Survivor on each gen. The Killer can't pressure all three at the same time. Don't be afraid of the terror radius. Stay on the gen until the Killer starts getting too close.
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The best counter to that is avoiding that situation in the first place
You do have to pray that your teammates think the same
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Three gen strats are pretty good on setup killers. The best countdr is to pressure gens. He's camping the three gens? Do every other gen and then let every teammate go on a different gen, the killer can't do ######### against that.
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In a 4v1 or even 3v1 the survivor can win even against a killer that only runs between 3 gens and kicks them, never chases. Regression is actually really slow so eventually you'll pop a gen.
Unless your teammates mess up and get themselves hooked somehow.. Which in some cases can be enough time to complete the gens.
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Make sure to check chests if you can, you might get a key which completely screws the 3gen strat over once a single survivor dies. Just do your best to go on a gen and hope the others spread out on the other 2 gens. Obviously "just don't get 3genned 4Head" applies too but if the killer just sits on the tighest cluster of gens from the start that's not always an option.
And if the killer goes out of their way to not even down/hook anyone ever unless they gotta grab someone off a gen, even if the survivor tries to give up, I'm pretty sure I've seen it mentioned that's actually some sort of punishable behavior? There were thread about docs that just indefinitely shocked gens and never hit survivor even if they ran up to a hook and pointed at it, and I think it was mentioned that in extreme circumstances that's actually punishable behavior of some sort?
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Note that a regressing gen depletes 1/4 slower then working on it
So for every second yoy work on it it has to be in regression for 4 seconds
A killer that just scares survivors of gens and never commits to a chase will eventually lose
It just takes a while
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I mean it's a smart strategy for killer, one that punishes boosted gen rushers.
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I disagree. Slugging people and letting them bleed out 1 by 1 very very slowly while protecting your gens is annoying but it is a valid strategy. Hooking gives them time to finish a gen.
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Sure, I mean at best borderline griefing where the killer doesn't even slug people unless absolutely needed. I guess only doc can really do it, as he can zap people to T3 which doesn't let them repair. It's very rare but I've met players that make it seem like their game plan isn't just to make survivors give up, but to make them disconnect.
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Just ping pong the killer by having someone on each gen. If the killer refuses to commit to a chase then eventually one will get done.
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You're asking counters for solo, but the reality is that the best 'counter' is to hope you have competent teammates.
The best thing you can do is to try to prevent the situation from happening. Work on these gens and bail early. If the killer is not willing to leave the gens to look around for you and keeps patrolling, you'll be able to keep coming back to inch away at the gen. If they take the bait and start a chase, try to preserve the pallets in the area and be willing to take an m1 in order to make distance to lure the killer away.
Aggressive killers are playing suboptimally when doing this early game and will have a harder time to snowball later on, although it's still entirely possible.
Territorial killers sort have to play this way in order to snowball, like Trapper. Those are dangerous. In this case, the one thing you can do is try to interfere early with their setup by following them and disarming their traps. They will either have to chase you, or run the risk of having a poor network of traps when it comes down to endgame and at that point they're just m1 killers, even if it's a 3 gen situation. If it's a Hag and one of your teammates is being carried on her shoulder, take the opportunity to set off all of her traps.
When it comes down to the last generator, try to work on one that is not being pressured, unless you can reasonably expect to finish a gen with teammates before the killer interrupts you.
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Why not? It's always easier to blame killers.
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About all you can do is hope your team is smart enough to figure out whats going on and they don't play scared and try to make progress on all 3 gens at the same time. Walk away as he comes to your gen and the second he's gone jump back on it and if everyone does this eventually one will get done.
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3 gens are easily avoided. If you and your team get 3gened, it's your own fault(s).
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I guess you want it nerfed then right. Guess after the killer is patrolling 3 gens for more than 15secs, the entity flicks him across the entire map so you get a chance. 😂🤡
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Just report the killer and they will get banned.
Some time ago a Dev said here in the forums that 3-gen strat with doctor is bannable.
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Please stop playing then. Im getting so tired of this survivor entitlement. There it is, the same idle threat you guys always use. "It's just boring, im playing less and less." This type of talk doesn't help anyone. Change this or im not playing your game anymore. Complaining about another legitimate strategy that you can't beat. Then you say you don't bring toolboxes, something that would help you combat the strategy. Omg im out lol
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Unless 3 gens are stacked on top of each other I can't figure out how you can have a killer you know is trying to 3 gen from the start...is not chasing...and you still allow it to happen.
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This strategy is the counter to itself against competent survivors. A hard 3 gen patrol from the start means that you'll escape chases with ease. So all 4 survivors should survive until only the 3 gens remain. At that point, all you have to do is have at least one person on each gen that just runs whenever the killer comes at them. Again, against a hard 3 gen, you'll escape every time and one gen will always be worked on. It's really the easiest strategy in the world to work against except for doctors if they're truly committing to only protecting gens. Which is why killers almost never truly do it.
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The counter is having teammates with good game sense. But that's often the most exploitable weakness of solo queue squads. They'll often hand you a 3 gen, even at red ranks. Some killers, myself included, are just adapting to objective speed in various ways.
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This is only true if the killer is doing it to hold the game hostage. As in, they do the 3 gen strat and continue to just guard those gens at end game. Not allowing you to do them, not chasing you to kill you. Basically stuck there not able to do anything.
If they 3 gen you and then kill you all because of it, that is not bannable.
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If the killer three gens from the start then four survivors could reasonably be alive with one gen remaining. Repair the two gens furthest from eachother in pairs. When the killer comes to your gen start running towards the completed side of the map. When the killer gives up chase run back to the gen. Nothing the killer can do about it. 44 seconds wasted by the killer is one gen pop.
Plan for NOED.
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If you are lucky with gen placement, and you have a meme doctor build with 125% extra shock range, you can hold down all the gens forever.
This is pure theory but it would be funny.
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There's one map where a killer has to put in zero effort to get a 3 gen looking at you azerovs resting place
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The counter is to either:
-Not 3 gen yourself (difficult when you play solo with bad teammates)
-Have yourself and at least 1 other survivor tackle two different gens, as you can make more progress than is regressed (albeit slow)
If you are the only one trying to do gens in a 3 gen situation where your teammates are complete screwing the team you cannot 1v1 the killer. While frustrating its the teammates that are messing you up and not the killer (even if rift is a horribly executed idea).
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That's a bit harder to deal with. Basically have to take turns repairing while one snaps out of it. Not going to be the most enjoyable gen repair ever.
But hey, the live balance Dev found Doctor to be annoying so the rework should fix all that.
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Even if you take turns I think a doctor with overcharge, distressing, unnerving presence, brutal strength and the 2 range addons will make it impossible to win if the gens are close enough. The shock distance is actually quite a lot, potentially enough to shock 2 gens at once and he never has to leave treatment mode lol. Anyone who snaps out of it will be back in madness tier 3 in no time and if you stay on the gen he can just grab and drop you.
Could replace Brutal Strength with the Huntress Lullaby although it is a hex totem. Or if you have Ruin and it's near your 3-gen setup it's gg.
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Overcharge would require kicking a gen which takes away time. Even if you miss it the time it takes to recover isn't that much. The more time the Doctor waste breaking your gen the closer the other one is to completion. It's a matter of attrition. Gen pressure can exceed his map pressure if done correctly.
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That sucks for you. When a killer does the 3 gen thing, you really need a group that acknowledges it and pressures those 3 gens. It takes a while sometimes, especially versus a Doc or Freddy, but it isn't impossible to get that final Gen done. Definitely not the most fun way to play the game, but it isn't impossible.
As a Killer, I hate the 3 Gen strategy, unless I am playing Trapper, and even then I don't go for a 3 Gen unless the Gens are really popping. Atleast with Trapper you know you can actually.catch some folks during the 3 Gen chaos, granted as long as you are placing traps like a minefield between those locations, but even then it can be long and tedious.
Maybe start playing some Offerings for larger maps, which can make the 3 Gen kind of impossible. Red Forest is a good one to use or the Corn Maps, they are all pretty large and easy to avoid that 3 Gen strategy.
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