Does anyone else feel like Wraith needs some serious balancing?

That seems like it's more of your teammates sucking than the wraith needs a nerf.

I mean, just between the two of us, when we are alone here... You are joking, right? I mean, you can tell me, nobody will ever know.

Idk I saw someone win like 30 games in a row with him and thats apparently all thats needed nowadays to determine if something is top tier or not.

I mean he is op... didn't you get like 30, 4ks with speedlimiter? Lol... Definitely doesn't have anything to do with killer skill or some survivors being potatoes... LF is op and must be nerfed to where his chainsaw gives everyone DW.

He’s slowed while uncloaking and you can see his shimmer.

As for the videos, remember that Tru3Talent (I’m listing him because he’s the one who popularized this) is using a full build and his skill to win. That’s how he did his Day of Wraith thing a couple weeks ago. Pretty sure every Killer can get good use out of an anti-heal perk build.

LOL. Alright, bud. Whatever you survivors say.

Wraith is not a very strong killer lol. If anything, he needs a few buffs because he's such an addon reliant killer.

Do yourself a favor and uninstall the game. Low tier players are the real problem with this game.

No need to be rude to new players. Do you not want more players in the game?

If the devs cater towards new players then that's the problem. I actually used to think that haddonfield was a massively killer sided map when I was new to the game lmao. It's all different when you don't know how to play.

Nope. If you think you can't punish a Wraith's mistake you're wrong, and I get the feeling you never bothered playing him. His biggest strenght is the ability to take survivors by surprise, if you don't let him you countered half of his power.

Devs want to make it 50-60% soooooo...

GOOD ONE BUD

Wrayth don' nedd a Nurf. Surv Viv vor nedd nurf.

I’ve played more Wraith than any other killer since Nurse got nerfed, and I can say this with confidence: the vast majority of games I feel like I dominated were games where the survivors got cocky because “oh, it’s just a Wraith!” I have strong killer fundamentals, and I refuse to loop “properly” since I don’t find running in circles fun, meaning my mindgames are pretty solid. I can shut down overly confident survivors pretty easily as a result as Wraith. If the map is super strong for Wraith I’ll perform well as well, obviously (indoor maps, lots of blind corners, etc). If the team plays well without being cocky and learn to watch for me coming and/or the map isn’t favorable, it becomes more of a struggle. Combine them (good survivors on Asylum being my top example here) and I’m likely going to lose. Feels amazing when I manage to win in those last cases, but that doesn’t mean it’s consistent. I don’t use add ons on pretty much any killer, and that holds true here as well, so I’m running just on base power and perks.

Fun? Yes. Capable of winning? Yes. OP? Not even close.

This whole thread sounds like a new survivor or killer not knowing the game lol. Before you keyboard warriors go around and stuff, yes I’m a killer main, however it does sound like one of those ‘I lost badly even though I think I’m good against this killer so they need to be nerfed’ pleas. I main stealth killers so I have my time with wraith, however I prefer miers and ghost face more. Wraith dosent have a cooldowns because unlike other killers, he dosent get slowed, can’t Attack and needs to essentially give a warning before he can Attack. Others make up for this by lowered speed in stealth(pig in crouch or tier one miers) or a Long cooldown and the stealth can be broken(ghostface) however for wraith, he needs to channel to cloak, giving a map notification sound and same for uncloaking, including 2 bells as a warning when he cloaks and uncloaks. None of the other stealth killers have such an issue. All of them do share audio cues like walking and yes in dedicated servers sounds can be broken but the same goes for killers so that’s not an excuse.

Along with that, many complain that stealth killer being given undetectable is a buff, however I feel it was a given(having played survivor myself) and a stealth killer shouldn’t be seen by any survivor deciding to run OOO or alert especially while they’re in their hidden forms. Nerfing a already(in my eyes even as a stealth killer main) bottom 3 killer(above legion and leather face) would just encourage that everyone play the same killers that are top tier(nurse spirit hillbilly) which just encourages players to either not play or derank(hence the currently broken ranking system) which I think has been talked about for a while now. It’s just not fun to not only be facing the same killers, but also the same players and play style all the time for both sides.

Does the game need balancing? Yes. Are some killers and survivors perks or powers ill conceived and hence somewhat broken? Yes(legion and my boy gf, which I may post a thread on how to balance him. Same for full SWF teams with OOO, botany knowledge etc and majority of the useless or niche survivor perks that need a huff for some different new play styles and to encourage more creativity in builds, but I digressed) however many of these are due to maps and the way they are.

Now some reading will think ‘O, that killer argument that maps are poorly made and broken’. However that’s not what I’m saying exactly. Yes it’s broken but also doesn’t warrant a full change to maintain the identity of the maps the Developers want. Yes there are killer maps and survivor maps, however do notice that many survivor maps are huge or dark, while killer maps are small and (at least to me) tends to have the 2-floor diagram(Hawkins, lerys, the game) while survivor maps can also just be the fact that huge fences can spawn or god windows and pallets as well. Now the point I’m getting at is the way the maps are generated is wrong, as rng is one factor, but as someone studying game development and design, the way their doing it is weird. Yes they don’t want prefabricated maps, however their current map generation allows essentially the whole map be safe as all loops are connected, or the whole map be nothing as there’s no possible connected loops. They need to find the middle ground and either change the values by having some new prefabricated tiles that consist of fair combinations of old/current tiles and assigning them different values by maybe asking some of our community’s best killers and survivors, whether a steamer, youtuber or layman, to test them out and hence help them agree on a value. This may not be so easily achieved by increasing the distance between tiles or having fully prefabricated maps because then survivors will complain that it’s unfair or killers will complain it’s unfair respectively.

I went on a rant but the point I’m trying to make is that, unless there’s an actual glitch or problem with a killer or survivor(because of broken code or concept) instead of thinking about merging them, we should think about the permanent issue of map and level design and also fixing dedicated servers.

P.S. Scott Jund, Otzdarva and No0b3 notice me senpais ;)