Does anyone else feel like Wraith needs some serious balancing?
Yes, I understand he's an M1 killer, dead that conversation, and before anyone asks, I'm a console player, and have been on a break from this game for about 3 weeks, until today.
My issue with Wraith, as I'm sure a lot of people are expecting, is the fact that his ability encourages players to play recklessly. By having no cooldown, a faster movement speed in cloak, and a speed boost when coming out of cloaking, a survivor cannot punish any mistakes the Wraith makes, especially when addons like Windstorm and Swift Hunt reduce the timers on the windows that we have, especially with the update back when Stranger Things came out, that gave his cloak undetectable.
Yes, I understand that killer needs to be overpowered to make the 1v4 fair, but I feel that there needs to be some give and take. Lowering his movespeed in cloak would be a good start, but if not that, it would be great if there was a cooldown associated with the wailing bell, to prevent killers from immediately cloaking after catching someone off guard so they can get another speed boost to hit them even faster. I dont want Wraith to be unfun, but I dont like that everyone is abusing the same techniques that arent possible to avoid on the console port of the game.
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Hahahahha... wraith is kinda low tier... why are you wanting to nerf him? Some tactics can be used on him effectively with good killers, like hit and run silent bell + nurses.
But he doesn't need nerfs whatsoever. This is coming from an xbox player btw, reluctantly at red rank survivor every season for like a year and a half. Never have I felt threatened by the wraith. You can literally see him most of the time tho he is supposed to be invisible.
You can fake him out at pallet loops when he is uncloaking or just get a stun.
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This is a joke thread. It has to be.
Do us a favor man, get out of yellow ranks and then complain that somehow Wraith is unbalanced. If anything, he could use some buffs.
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Lmaoooo bro you're far too early
April fools is in 3 months!
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Woooooooow I've seen a lot of bad takes here but [burning dumpster emoji]
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Nerf survivors instead so that Wraith can look like a good killer for once 😃
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It seems too thought-out (not well-thought-out) and extensive to be a troll post. Imagine coming up with reasoning to nerf one of the weakest killers in the game.
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Don't touch my Wraith man....I don't care if he's low tier, he's a load of fun to play.
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Considering the oppressive amount of videos on youtube about Wraith being strong, by killers, I would say your belief that he's weak is definitely not well-grounded.
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That seems like it's more of your teammates sucking than the wraith needs a nerf.
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I've heard rumors from these videos that speed limiter Leatherface is the new oppressive killer as well.
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Im not saying make him less fun. I'm saying his power needs to be balanced. He gains a boost out of cloak, moves faster in cloak, has undetectable status, and no cooldown so if he whiffs the attack, and the survivor makes distance, he can just cloak and uncloak again.
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This has to be bait. Wraith is fairly weak.
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My issue with wraith is they all camp and play toxic. At least 9/10 do and it makes them annoying.
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On the next episode of "killers op pls nerf" wraith is overperforming, has no counterplay and cant be punished for mistakes.
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I mean, just between the two of us, when we are alone here... You are joking, right? I mean, you can tell me, nobody will ever know.
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Speed limiter is toxic and you know it. Literally no counterplay.
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Idk I saw someone win like 30 games in a row with him and thats apparently all thats needed nowadays to determine if something is top tier or not.
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He is good with certain add-ons. If you don't have said add-ons he is low-tier. Killers should be judged on their base-kit. I do not believe killers should be dependent on add-ons, unfortunately, the devs are completely going in the other direction.
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The issue with that is, they are all using more or less the same perk/addon build. A strong killer (such as Billy, Nurse, or Spirit) with any kind of perk/addon combo (or non at all) can do consistently pretty well. Sure it's more difficult, but their base kit has all the tools to get the job done.
Wraith? Only with the right addons and perks can you go into a match and feel confident that you have a chance. That's not a strong killer, it's a strong build.
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My comment asking if this was a bait post got deleted. How nice :)
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I mean he is op... didn't you get like 30, 4ks with speedlimiter? Lol... Definitely doesn't have anything to do with killer skill or some survivors being potatoes... LF is op and must be nerfed to where his chainsaw gives everyone DW.
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His power is balanced, you slow coming out of cloak, then speed up. You want to make him an M1 killer.
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He’s slowed while uncloaking and you can see his shimmer.
As for the videos, remember that Tru3Talent (I’m listing him because he’s the one who popularized this) is using a full build and his skill to win. That’s how he did his Day of Wraith thing a couple weeks ago. Pretty sure every Killer can get good use out of an anti-heal perk build.
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How about we stop trying to make survivor boring..and stop throwing cooldowns on everything it's just so lazy
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yikes
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LOL. Alright, bud. Whatever you survivors say.
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If anything, kill rates need to go up. 1v4 means the kill rates need to be 80%. The current 75% is still too low
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Wraith is not a very strong killer lol. If anything, he needs a few buffs because he's such an addon reliant killer.
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75% too low? How is a 3K/ game average too low lol? A 3k is honestly the perfect standard in my eyes.
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Do yourself a favor and uninstall the game. Low tier players are the real problem with this game.
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So you have nothing of value to say and yet you disregard his post as a joke because you don't like what he says? You should honestly grow up guy.
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No need to be rude to new players. Do you not want more players in the game?
If the devs cater towards new players then that's the problem. I actually used to think that haddonfield was a massively killer sided map when I was new to the game lmao. It's all different when you don't know how to play.
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What changed on him to change your mind?
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3k doesn't mean a damn thing past rank 5 that's scrapping a black pip at best
Hell. Getting a 4k most of the time gives a you a black pip if you are too efficient
They are balancing around emblems that are busted.
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He is actually imo in a good spot right now. I have played some wraith after truetalent popularized it and he is pretty fun. I use no add ons, that's my preferred way to play. He is an m1 killer which makes him weaker but his cloak is the only thing that really makes him viable. You can close distance to get the second hit faster since after that unlock all you can do is m1. To me, he is balanced. I would say he is better at body blocking pallets than other killers but better survivors wont fall for that trick. Bad survivors freak out because of his cloak and they arent used to all the killers. It takes time to get used to. But after you learn more, he is one of the easiest to counter.
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Nope. If you think you can't punish a Wraith's mistake you're wrong, and I get the feeling you never bothered playing him. His biggest strenght is the ability to take survivors by surprise, if you don't let him you countered half of his power.
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Oh my.
Welp, best thing I can say is that the devs said they're not currently looking to nerf the Wraith at all.
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Devs want to make it 50-60% soooooo...
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What changed peoples minds apparently was tru3 and otz saying hes pretty good tru3 saying wraith is probably the 3rd best killer in dbd. And apparently a streamers word is law even though tru3 admitted his way wont work for everyone its exclusive to him.
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GOOD ONE BUD
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Any killer can excel in the right hands. Just find it odd how nothing has changed about the character at all except ppls perceptions.
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Wrayth don' nedd a Nurf. Surv Viv vor nedd nurf.
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Why is it whenever a streamer uses a killer and goes "ooo this killer might be top tier" (even if the killer is regarded as low tier) then that killer automatically becomes OP? It happened with Ghostface (I know he wasn't bottom tier but he's shot up in popularity recently) and now it's happened with Wraith. I bet you if a streamer said "Burger King Myers is top tier" people would probably agree and say he's OP.
Just because a streamer said a low tier killer is good if used properly does not make that killer OP or unbalanced at all.
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That boost was added back in 2018. The only change hes gotten since then is he cant have his aura read while stealthed. Thats why I think its odd how people went from saying he's garbage and the weakest killer... to saying hes top tier.
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Wraith is amazing. He's on Add on reliant but his strongest build is okay with BBQ anyway so it pays for itself for the most part.
Only thing needs fixing is people being able to Infinite light burn Wraith because the game still think he's in spirit form.
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I’ve played more Wraith than any other killer since Nurse got nerfed, and I can say this with confidence: the vast majority of games I feel like I dominated were games where the survivors got cocky because “oh, it’s just a Wraith!” I have strong killer fundamentals, and I refuse to loop “properly” since I don’t find running in circles fun, meaning my mindgames are pretty solid. I can shut down overly confident survivors pretty easily as a result as Wraith. If the map is super strong for Wraith I’ll perform well as well, obviously (indoor maps, lots of blind corners, etc). If the team plays well without being cocky and learn to watch for me coming and/or the map isn’t favorable, it becomes more of a struggle. Combine them (good survivors on Asylum being my top example here) and I’m likely going to lose. Feels amazing when I manage to win in those last cases, but that doesn’t mean it’s consistent. I don’t use add ons on pretty much any killer, and that holds true here as well, so I’m running just on base power and perks.
Fun? Yes. Capable of winning? Yes. OP? Not even close.
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Wraith is pretty good and definitely underrated but in no way does he need a nerf.
When you're being chased by him when he's invisible force him to uncloak almost completely at pallets before throwing them down. He'll waste a lot of time that way and he loses his speed boost unless he cloaks again.
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This whole thread sounds like a new survivor or killer not knowing the game lol. Before you keyboard warriors go around and stuff, yes I’m a killer main, however it does sound like one of those ‘I lost badly even though I think I’m good against this killer so they need to be nerfed’ pleas. I main stealth killers so I have my time with wraith, however I prefer miers and ghost face more. Wraith dosent have a cooldowns because unlike other killers, he dosent get slowed, can’t Attack and needs to essentially give a warning before he can Attack. Others make up for this by lowered speed in stealth(pig in crouch or tier one miers) or a Long cooldown and the stealth can be broken(ghostface) however for wraith, he needs to channel to cloak, giving a map notification sound and same for uncloaking, including 2 bells as a warning when he cloaks and uncloaks. None of the other stealth killers have such an issue. All of them do share audio cues like walking and yes in dedicated servers sounds can be broken but the same goes for killers so that’s not an excuse.
Along with that, many complain that stealth killer being given undetectable is a buff, however I feel it was a given(having played survivor myself) and a stealth killer shouldn’t be seen by any survivor deciding to run OOO or alert especially while they’re in their hidden forms. Nerfing a already(in my eyes even as a stealth killer main) bottom 3 killer(above legion and leather face) would just encourage that everyone play the same killers that are top tier(nurse spirit hillbilly) which just encourages players to either not play or derank(hence the currently broken ranking system) which I think has been talked about for a while now. It’s just not fun to not only be facing the same killers, but also the same players and play style all the time for both sides.
Does the game need balancing? Yes. Are some killers and survivors perks or powers ill conceived and hence somewhat broken? Yes(legion and my boy gf, which I may post a thread on how to balance him. Same for full SWF teams with OOO, botany knowledge etc and majority of the useless or niche survivor perks that need a huff for some different new play styles and to encourage more creativity in builds, but I digressed) however many of these are due to maps and the way they are.
Now some reading will think ‘O, that killer argument that maps are poorly made and broken’. However that’s not what I’m saying exactly. Yes it’s broken but also doesn’t warrant a full change to maintain the identity of the maps the Developers want. Yes there are killer maps and survivor maps, however do notice that many survivor maps are huge or dark, while killer maps are small and (at least to me) tends to have the 2-floor diagram(Hawkins, lerys, the game) while survivor maps can also just be the fact that huge fences can spawn or god windows and pallets as well. Now the point I’m getting at is the way the maps are generated is wrong, as rng is one factor, but as someone studying game development and design, the way their doing it is weird. Yes they don’t want prefabricated maps, however their current map generation allows essentially the whole map be safe as all loops are connected, or the whole map be nothing as there’s no possible connected loops. They need to find the middle ground and either change the values by having some new prefabricated tiles that consist of fair combinations of old/current tiles and assigning them different values by maybe asking some of our community’s best killers and survivors, whether a steamer, youtuber or layman, to test them out and hence help them agree on a value. This may not be so easily achieved by increasing the distance between tiles or having fully prefabricated maps because then survivors will complain that it’s unfair or killers will complain it’s unfair respectively.
I went on a rant but the point I’m trying to make is that, unless there’s an actual glitch or problem with a killer or survivor(because of broken code or concept) instead of thinking about merging them, we should think about the permanent issue of map and level design and also fixing dedicated servers.
P.S. Scott Jund, Otzdarva and No0b3 notice me senpais ;)
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