They Can't Deny It Anymore
The dev's are heavily favoring survivor's gameplay experience over killers, and I'm starting to wonder if they understand their own game.
People have claimed that the reason for the Doctor rework was mainly for the benefit of survivors. Devs have replied saying they were reworking him to make him more fun for both sides, even though in their own live streams they focused far more on why survivors find him "annoying." Now in the new notes they finally admit the change is because survivors didn't like playing against him, even though killers have been asking for him to be buffed for a while now. And the changes to make it easier for survivors to snap out of madness are a joke.
Then there's Ruin. No devs, killers don't run ruin for the gatekeeper emblem. They run it because gens can be done before a killer can even cross the map to get to it from the start. It only takes 33 seconds with 3 survivors on 1 gen with no toolboxes or perks. With 2 survivors it's 44 seconds. If you are on the other side of the map and see discordance go off, you may not have a chance to get back to the gen. Now add in toolboxes and perks and you can get a gen done in less than 30 seconds. Oh, and let's not act like survivors still won't cleanse it in under 3 minutes so it won't even be around in the late game. Now it's not useful, per the devs, in the beginning and will be nonexistent when it would be. And again with this change, they focused entirely on survivors gameplay.
Get ready for an even longer lobby simulator for red rank survivors.
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Without a doubt.
I actually didn't think that way before, but this Ruin change convinced me otherwise. Because people were VERY clear about what the issues with it were, and they ignored all the killer issues with it but addressed all the survivor ones with it.
That indicates some serious concern worthy favoritism.
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They aren't even trying to hide it anymore, just read the update text and it is obviously stated that everything was changed to be more fun to play against doctor or ruin. Pathetic.
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Yeah, they have completely stopped even trying to cover it up. It's maddening.
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Yeah this is gonna be the nail in the coffin for some players. It's sad they had the time to nerf ruin, but I bet they still didn't fix the sound bug killers have... Am I correct?
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The priority is catering to survivors. Simple as that, they will never do anything monumental for killers. But facing 4 man SWF on voice coms who literally get free perks from that isn’t unbalanced at all am I right? They talk about “frustration for survivors” but pre made teams who are too coordinated on coms isn’t...ahhh
but having a hex that majority of spawns are utter garbage is unacceptable. Oh, godforbid new players learn how to play the game with ruin. Anything difficult for survivors get addressed, but for killers...Nope
We see where the devs stand here after this.
Post edited by HeHeBoii on17 -
I didn't see anything about fixing the sound bug. I don't remember even seeing them acknowledge that it exists.
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Yeah, the devs are incredibly survivor biased and don't even hide it anymore. The wording of their update makes that SO easy to see, it's ridiculous. I just don't understand the devs.
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That's sad. That's why I quit playing, the sound bug is just too game breaking on ps4. And like you said, the worst part is the devs won't even acknowledge it....
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Red rank killers rest in peace think I'm going to have to be a survivor main now ruin is garbage now so sick of the non stop killer nerfs
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Survivor is honestly so easy I don't see how anyone can complain. I only play solo survivor and I rarely use 2nd chance meta perks (typically run kindred, detective's hunch, spine chill, and a random perk) and I have no problem staying at red ranks.
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Right ! I play survivor sometimes when I want to chill out because killer is just way more stressful with ruin the way it is now smh. An let's not talk about how so many survivors run ds in red ranks no problems there
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2020 The Year the Devs decided to make Killers just plain stop playing.
The whole point of the hard skill checks in RUIN were to make you go find the totem, thus the time sink Killers need. If you were good at checks you could say screw it, and power through. But if not you needed to go find it.
Now any schmo can just ignore the totem, until they happen upon it by accident.
Who ever wrote up that dev document, definitely didn't try to make it sound like a balancing, it sounded, like a survivor love fest. "Oh you guys don't like this, and that is annoying to play against, well here lets us just shaft the other side and bend them over for you."
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Cosmetics released tomorrow anyone???
Still feel good about all the money you sunk in the game?
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I had a friend who upon just loading into a match got called away IRL, and left the game just running, when he got back, his score was like 6000 ish and he almost pipped, just one section away.
The game has been dummied down so much an AFK person can almost pip!
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Couldn't have said it better myself it was so bias it's not even funny...like maybe 80 percent of killers are running ruin in red ranks is because of how insanely fast gen speeds are...but hey gen speeds are fine right
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Ruin isn't fun for survs, doc isn't fun for survs.
Well? What's fun for killer? God loops? Swf? Toolboxes? Flashlights?
Nothing is really fun for killer. Why is it always about whats fun for survs?
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Dont forget keys and hatch...
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They 100% need to fix broken ass maps like Suffocation Pit when that window spawns open. A lot of problems originate with map design and RNG, which is already a recipe for disaster. Toolboxes are busted and need to be reworked into something else. Flashlights are whatever. Keys are busted (but so are Mori's).
But then you have maps like Hawkin's and new Badham where 85% of the pallets are unsafe and the killer can just bloodlust all game long to get easy hits on people. Surely there's a happy middle ground between Hawkin's and Cowshed?
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For real, there are a ton of little things they could do to balance this out. Like reduce the number of pallets, put a cap on the number of times a survivor can be fully healed, increase killer movement speed, etc. Most killer just aren't able to apply enough map pressure to keep survivors off of gens and also chase long enough to get downs or keep survivors injured.
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If they even acknowledge the fact that a killer is weak I will never listen again. Doctor didn’t need a nerf I think that they should do what they’re doing with it but make it playable at high ranks as well.
The Ruin nerf was so uncalled for because it was never a core issue in the first place. I have agreed with legit everything everyone is saying as well because it’s all true; they are showing favor towards one side and not making both sides fun and viable, they don’t listen to the other side of the community because they are sucking off low rank survivor mains, the devs don’t even have good reason for the nerfs their giving aside from rank 15 excuses, which really shows their rank. The main issue is the people able to learn skill aside from getting chased while their teammates rush the gens. Now there are a couple of survivor mains that really don’t like the change but there’s others who are going to take this, and play with weaker killers like a kid on Christmas
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Omg you’re running my build! Playing survivor is a walk in the damn park. I switched to killer after a loooooong time playing survivor, because it wasn’t fun playing survivor, it’s to easy. You basically fall up the ladder to rank 1.
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I run a similar build as Survivor. SpineChill + Kindred with a mix of Small Game/Detective's Hunch/Alert/Fixated/Inner Strength.
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Post edited by tortrader on5
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And by the time you've been able to find 3 matches you can finish an entire audio book.
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If you had paid attention to the post, I was calling them on the BS that the rework was for the fun of both sides. They only time they talked about "fun" was from the survivor's point of view.
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Are you just going to ignore the changes that happened to Killers over the years? Oh, you are? You just want to push your bias and manipulate the truth? Yes?
That's cool I guess.
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They do realise with people playing killer, no-one can play at all right, are they trying to introduce A.I killers? #########?
The Dockta changes seem dumb, I don't see these helping him at all. The ruin thing just seems like, mean spirited? Even in Green survivor ranks those gens get, powered through. This change just baffles me, like how do you look at your day, your high level meta, & think this is the best change?
I can't wait to see how they dunk on killer mains in the future, Jesus tap dancing chirst...
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Stop me here if I’m wrong, but wasn’t the Doctor supposed to be a anti stealth killer?...hey guess what, you can run calm spirit to avoid the screaming from madness. Jeepers creepers, my poor Dr, went to school all these years and racked up staggering student loan debt to get nerfed into the ground.
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Love him or hate him but Tru3 is right about one thing, you don't balance games like this around the low ranks. Making the game easier for survivors at low ranks makes it nearly impossible for killers at high ranks. There a lots of ways to actually fix the issue but the devs don't seem interested or they don't have the resources.
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Welp Time for corrupt intervention...
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I aggree, survivors get continously nerfed, for the first time we're having a substantial nerf to one of the strongest killer perks (let's not forget it's just one perk) and we have every killer crying because they can't tunnel and camp thank to their crutch. The skillchecks are the most boring part of the gameplay and ruin made it even more boring, I like this rework, killers will need to adapt (as they say whenever survivors are nerfed), and the ones who aren't able to play without the old ruin will just derank, as it should be.
Regarding the doctor, I aggree that he would need a buff instead of what looks like a nerf, but let's see how's the new power before judging.
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Survivors get nerfed when it's game breaking. Killers get nerfed when survivors are "annoyed." Killers have been begging for the devs to either slow gen speeds down or add a new survivor objective so we don't need Ruin but the game doesn't end in under 5 minutes. But no we don't get that. Instead, now survivors will be punished for doing anything other than holding M1 on a gen and encouraged to speed up the process. Yeah, this sounds great...
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I only play solo survivor and I would LOVE a new objective. Survivor is easy and boring. 1/4 of the perks are 2nd chance crutch perks, the items make the already quick and easy objective both quicker and easier. You get infinite heals and probably twice as many pallets as you need. An additional objective is desperately needed. It would solve the problem of the game being boring for survivors and weak killers not being able to apply enough pressure to have fun.
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I would prefer slower gens than ruin, ruin depends a lot from the RNG (number of skillchecks and spawn location), also considering that even at red ranks a lot of survivors don't even try to touch a gen when ruin's up or they're totally unable to hit great skillchecks
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Could you imagine if the devs made it so that you needed to hit a survivor three times to down them? Hehehe
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Don't tempt them lol.
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Exactly, well said.
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