Are there any no-ruin killers here?

Me! me! I only use ruin when learning a new killer.

Me. I don't have that perk unlock so... yeah

I'm over 400 hours, still not once got to red rank (maybe because i'm bad :))

Haven't used Ruin for months now, been doing pretty well without it. I used it as training wheels, then got better and started feeling comfortable playing without it.

I don't use Ruin on any Killer that has high mobility, Wraith, Legion, Billy, and Oni.

I didnt use it because of me not having a single lvl in Hag. But man getting close to green rank killer really makes you want to.

I'm not a killer main but I play fairly often. I only use Ruin when I have very few perks on either a new killer or a prestiged killer. There are so many better, more consistent and funner perks to choose from like PGTW, CI, Whispers, STBFL, BBQ, Nurse's, etc, etc

K. Have fun being miserable!

Better watch your tongue or they'll start using NOED and Ebony Moris instead.

What if they changed decisive or adrenaline horrendously to the point that it's not even worth using anymore? Plus, there is a major difference between survivors and killers. It does not matter who you play as for survivors, you're just a skin, however killers do matter, more fun killers needed a few extra seconds and or a minute to even be able to use their power properly. Now that it's changed, there's going to a lot more Freddies Hillbillies, and Spirits, since they can get around not having ruin much easier than someone like Leatherface or Trapper.

I'm a non-ruin killer. I want to EARN my victories not have them handed to me on a plate because the survivors took too long finding it. Not running ruin also means you can't blame losing ruin for your losses.

Good riddance to one of the worst designed perks in the game.

I rarely use it.

I'm not accusing anyone of it but I noticed that for myself it made me rely on it and think a game was automatically over if Ruin was cleansed early, so I simply stopped using it for the most part.

Works for me. Win some and lose some, but I must be doing something right as I still hang around in red ranks.

I rarely use it. I especially never rely on it. I prefer PGTW on most killers.

I suppose it would depend on what killer I'm using but yes. However I like playing both sides.

Back in August 2019, I hit 1000 hours as killer and decided to switch roles to survivor for the next 1000 hours, of which I have only accomplished 339 hours of play. The thing is, during my entire campaign as killer, I hardly (if ever) used Ruin. Even so, I had to acknowledge that at the high ranks the only killers who had a chance of competing effectively without Ruin were the high pressure/mobility ones, and not the killers I usually liked playing. Still I was able to pull off victories without Ruin for about half of my games using the less mobile killers, but often became so frustrated that I purposely started using instant-downs and Ebony Mori's in order to de-pip to the less frustrating ranks. It was about that time that I decided I've had enough fun with killer, and it was time to switch over.

This Upcoming change to Ruin has brought up a paradoxical situation for me to consider: Do I continue my 1k hour campaign as survivor, or do I go back to play killer because I have developed the skills to be decently competitive at the high ranks without it?

The devs have stated that 80% of killers in the red ranks use it, but they don't seem to have really thought about the real reason "Why" they use it: At those ranks, even a team of solo survivors are better at coordinating their attack on objectives, have all of the tools, skills and knowledge of maps to be more optimal at looping/routing while completing said objectives, and can easily get 3 generators done in the first 100 seconds of a match before the first survivor gets hooked. Ruin slowed down that speed, gave survivors an alternative objective in order to get the gen speed back to normal, and provided killers enough time to build up some momentum. It isn't so much that killers actually "WANTED" to use Ruin at those ranks, It's that they felt they "HAD TO" in order to compete.

I purposely chose not to use Ruin, because I like playing/winning at the hardest difficulty. I used Plague, Doctor, Clown, Pig, and Legion way more than I used Nurse, Spirit, Billy, and I didn't use Ruin because I felt that "If you have to rely on any 1 perk in order to win, then there's something fundamentally wrong with your skill." So I got decent at playing without it. However, if the statistics are to be believed, I can't imagine many other killer mains will be patient enough to develop these skills since most players just want to have some casual fun in the game, and Ruin was a way for killers to do that without getting too frustrated. I fear that with this change, People like me who don't rely on Ruin will be needed now more than ever before, because I don't see many killers in the high ranks purposely staying there for very long, and now I feel Obligated to try and fill in for them as best as I can.

At the higher ranks you can still win consistently without ruin... if you play with "scummy builds" like a slugging build instead.

I got sick and tired of using ruin and playing against it every game and I always asked the devs to shake up the meta.. but in this case it's safe to say that the meta is just gonna shift to different annoying strats like slugging, basement camp, hardcore 3-gen build etc etc

I 3k+ nearly every game as Billy with BBQ/Enduring/SpiritFury/Bamboozle. Ruin's a n00b perk for n00bs, git gud and stop relying on crutches.