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This is pathetic. Quit complaining.
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The reason why we killer rely on ruin is because the generators progress are too fast, especially on high rank.
On high rank survivors know what to do. They'll do gen right after the game started and keep doing it unless they're being chased. They mostly do gen separately. When one of them being chased, he would waste the killer time by juking and looping the killer. Without ruin there would be 3 gens done after the killer downed the survivor he chased earlier (if that survivor didnt run to the other survivor when being chased). Even if the killer is good enough and managed to down him very quickly, the others survivors would managed to get the gen to around 50%-90%. But most survivors on high rank are clever and cant go down easily, even if you try to mind game them they would expect it.
My opinion, nerf ruin but also nerf the gen progression. I honestly think the old ruin is very frustrating as survivor, but also the very quick gen progress is very frustrating as killer.
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If you cant do well without Ruin...
Your rank is adjusted where your skill without a crutch perk makes you comfortable to play against survivors of equal or lesser skill than you.
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I know right... They are a pain...
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Don't tell them to complain, it's like asking them to continue.
It's very evident who does the most complaining in these forums.
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(I main both) Wait so you're rank one and you still have trouble hitting great skill checks? No offense but that just proves the ranking system needs to be "overhauled" instead of ruin. The killer is getting 2 or more kills bc they're actually good at the game and that's why they're in red ranks (unless they camp or tunnel lol). Me as a survivor and killer main didn't have a problem with ruin, if you couldn't hit the skill checks then just go and find the totem like you're supposed to as your secondary objective. Yep, gens aren't your only objective. Totems, emblems, heals, escaping chases, the game isn't only about getting gens done. If your mindset is to just do gens, then you'll never pip. In a way, ruin forced survivors to do their other objectives. I don't agree with the ruin changes but complaining won't fix anything, like you're trying to say. But don't expect killer mains to stay quiet when their meta perk gets yeeted, you survivor mains wouldn't like it if any of your meta perks got nerfed so why should we?
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Why, is this difficult? I did it several times first try and I usually play on PC.
From my view: I'm a survivor main - the few times I play killer I never equip ruin. But then again, I'm a killer noob in noob ranks, getting noob survivors. I'm fine. If I would be a godlike killer player like True or Otz or anyone able to at least 2k against decent survivors, I wouldn't need ruin in higher ranks either. But it currently is a great help to balance out a big skill gap and that's its greatest value (especially in times of bad matchmaking).
Sure it can be abused. Like balanced landing and DS, every perk can. But with this nerf they basically removed it from the game. Imagine removing DS - sure you CAN play without it without issues but if you need it you reeeeaaally feel it lacking. Same with ruin.
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Read the dev notes. They say outright the change is because new players can hit a button properly.
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I play console. 30 fps and trying to hit greats isn't the best combo. But yeah, join the squad of kiddos insulting my rank and saying I don't belong in rank 1. Maybe one day you'll be mature enough to contribute to conversations and arguments.
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Couldn't have said it better, boo.
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Ranks seem to be a joke at this point anyways with the current matchmaking.
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omg sis. Resort to?! You guys already f’in do this over and over anyway so it’s no change for us.
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Yeah. All I see these days are spirit, trapper, and ghostface. Those 3 killers.
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Adapt to it then.
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Ummm, what are you talking about? I have which is why I still play the game you #########. I don’t know what you’re tying to say. I’m not complaining, I’m just stating facts. Facts are facts America.
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You say that now, but I don't think you realize how many killers adhere to the socially acceptable Killer Rules that Survivors have complained into existence over the lifespan of this game. You may not notice it but Killers can often intentionally switch targets to avert accusations of tunneling or just hooking someone instead of leaving them Knock Out slugged in a corner. That's just a couple of examples. You run into a couple of jackasses every now and then. Now there will be nothing but jackasses.
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It doesn’t matter what they do to this game, I’ll still play it irregardless because I love it. Some people just take this ######### way too seriously ISTG.
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It’s easy I hit right about 90% without going full try hard it’s very easy
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You'll love it less and less as the meta shifts toward what has been considered "toxic" behavior up until this point. Shameless use of NOED and Moris alone will be annoying. But those are just the most obvious mechanical ways this will manifest. Forget all the threats people are making too, there's nothing to threaten: This is natural response to a popular and useful perk being changed. The meta shifts to the next most viable method and if that next most viable method is scummy what's left of the Killer playerbase won't care.
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Sis, I just don’t care. Really.
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If you love the game I can't really understand why you don't care. If I didn't love the game I wouldn't be here trying to express why this is decision is bad for everyone. That's why I care enough to try and explain how this change, if not compensated for by extension of the early game or some other preventative measure against gen rush, will make the game less enjoyable for everyone across the board.
If being a sweaty tryhard that uses the most meta perks and unfair items possible were the fun way to play people would have just done that instead of using Ruin. Killers already have the tools to compensate for these changes, but everyone including you hates those tools. The gap between Survivor players and Killer players widens a little bit more and the tension between the two continues to rise. Anybody that plays both gets accused of just being one or the other and nobody trusts anyone else's input anymore. That is a potential future for this game's community and I'm not too fond of the concept.
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Okay Survivor main
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French Toast number 1.
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Nope, French Toast = Waffles, as long as you use good bread.
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I don't know...I've seen some amazing things done with French Toast. I've only ever seen waffles and pancakes in funny shapes.
Maybe I just really like eggs....lol.
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Imagine coming onto a forum and complaining that other people are complaining.
Very impressive brain work there.
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Imagine insulting people complaining about complaining.
We can do this all day. However now you're part of the cycle you were poking fun at.
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Have you ever had a delicious Belgian waffle that is crispy on the outside but soft and chewy on the inside? It is delightful! Especially if you add some blanched peaches and homemade whipped cream on top!
Not saying French Toast is bad, I actually equally enjoy them. It just depends on my mood.
Also, I could live on eggs.
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If you think that was an insult, I don't really have a response for that.
It was more an observation than a complaint. I'm not fussed that people waste their time.
And unfortunately, we couldn't, because I'm off, as I am fussed about wasting my own time lol
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You explain by typing another comment....
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Like I said, no offense. I'm on console btw, so you can stop bringing that up. You obviously only read the first part of my response and didn't like what I said. I'm not saying you shouldn't be in red ranks but you SHOULD be able to hit those skill checks fine. I think my response was pretty respectful, I am very disappointed you turned straight into defensive mode and ignored my whole explanation. I read your whole post and I didn't respond with the typical "you're bad lol" comment, I made a whole paragraph to help you understand for crying out loud!
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That sounds like a really boring survivor game to play with 3 of your perks spoken for and ######### ones at that. But then again considering people set themselves No Mither only challenges to get to rank after reset you should be fine.
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Typical toxic killer main
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Which part was toxic? The clarifying of a commonly misconstrued term or pointing out that the ranking system is a dumpster fire?
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So it's cool for Survivors to have the ability to finish the game in five minutes but it's not cool for Killers to do the same? Typical toxic survivor main.
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If your games are finishing in 5mins then you just suck as killer there is nothing else to it lol
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The part where he said dont complain about being slugged.
if you dont think slugging is toxic then you cant say anything a survivor does is toxic
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Calls other people toxic, immediately starts calling people bad because they describe how the game's mechanics can be exploited to complete the match very quickly. Truly low IQ hypocrite response well done.
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No not really, if your games are ending in 5 mins then you really need to change how you play bc i have never had a game end in 5mins so dont get your panties in a bunch bud
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And what exploits are you talking about, do you even understand what a exploit is.
survivors do gens. Where exactly is there an exploit in the game?
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"Don't get your panties in a bunch" says the poster that immediately declares everyone toxic and bad. Gen progression rates are too rapid. If you don't know that then you don't play Killer OR Survivor at a high level.
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My Plan After the Update i slow the healing and Play only Good Killers. Do you Really Think you can Play Clown After the Update on every Map? No i Think you never Played Killer on Red Ranks. Sure a Surv Main das that Because Ruin was in every Single Game but for a Reason. I want Play Clown or Trapper in Red Ranks but After the Update i Only Play Nurse and Slug the Sh.. out of you all.
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They exploit the structure of the game. In an SWF every survivor knows where every other survivor is, who is being chased, what the killer is doing at all times, and coordinates with their teammates in order to manage time. They know they have absolutely nothing to fear from the Killer until they're downed twice and weigh that against the amount of time they can squeeze out of each individual chase.
I can already see your pathetic argument for what it is. I've seen it a dozen times. You say gens are the objective so anything you have to do to complete them is a-okay and fine. But then you turn around and call killers toxic for doing the same. Knock out slugging? Toxic. Ebony Mori? Toxic. NOED? Toxic.
News flash: Toxic is the new meta now. Enjoy.
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Toxic how so it's the killers job to kill it's their objective just as you claim getting a gen done before the killer can physically get to it isn't "toxic" or is it only toxic when it's against you ?
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I said that one guy is toxic but ok bud, and i never said anything about gen speed so i ask again, what is this exploit your talking about?
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I've already described it to you chief. You're obviously trying to pigeonhole what I'm saying by defining the word "exploit" for me as if I'm talking about cheating. The structure of the game is flawed and people exploit that to succeed. The word "exploit" existed before the narrow definition you're using did. Exploiting an advantage to win is not the same as exploiting a game bug to cheat. Stop trying to make other peoples' arguments for them and try listening instead. It's pretty damn annoying when you don't.
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