Toxic Survivors
Hi I'm a Freddy main I get Alot of h8 in my messages on ps4 by survivors trying to tell me howto play and mad cause they died n I apparently tunnel to much but I mean fresh of a hook and wounded wouldn't u go for the weakest first?? (or that 1 guy constantly looping n flashing u wouldn't u make sure they stay dead??
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I won't anymore since I have been playing survivor. I get it as a killer the quicker its 3v1 the better.
But have you played much survivors? Have you been tunneled out of the game ,straight off the hook. It sux.
You can't complain about looping if you're a tunneling killer. What choice do they have but to loop you if you are going tunnel them out of the game. Kinda chicken and the egg there.
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i'm a survivor and ive never understood toxic survivors. its so unnecessary and as soon as they get caught they DC lol . just weak people in real life.
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Tunnelling is one of the most effective strategies, as you rightfully pointed out, and there's nothing wrong with employing it from a gameplay standpoint (although you could get punished for it if the survivors are running perks like Decisive Strike or Borrowed Time). Survivors will struggle if they lose one or more teammates earlier in the game, so strategically, tunnelling makes sense.
However, it isn't much fun at all for the survivors, because whoever you tunnel barely gets to play the game before they're dead. If you can afford to play without tunnelling and still ultimately do well and win the game, it's generally considered best to avoid intentional tunnelling as a gesture of compassion and courtesy towards your fellow players, because it shows that you care about other players' experience, not just your own. That's why many people consider it unsportsmanlike, and some will go so far as to attack you for it (although those people are crossing the line, and should be ignored and/or reported, depending on the severity of their attacks).
In short, you can tunnel if you want to, because it does make strategic sense. However, most players do consider it good sportsmanship to avoid tunnelling if you can afford to do so, and therefore won't necessarily look kindly on you for using it to completely stomp the survivor team. Ultimately, it's up to you, but if you do choose to tunnel, don't expect the survivors to thank you for the fun game.
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Survivors are going to loop killers regardless of how the killer plays. Downing a survivor right off the hook is not tunneling and is an extremely effect strategy. Even if you choose to ignore a recently unhooked survivor in favor of "fairness" there is no way that survivor is going to reward you by taking a break from gens on putting their toolbox down lol. Just like gen-rushing isn't real because it's the survivor's only objective, tunneling isn't real because killing is the killers only objective.
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Lmao your kidding right do survivors care about the killers experience in the game and how much fun they are having, you go by there rules and not tunnel, camp etc and give them a fun game and all they do is teabag at the exit and trash talk in post game chat, it's a two way street you want killers to be fair to survivors and not tunnel or camp as a sign of compassion and courtesy towards fellow players because it shows that you care about other players' experience not just your own.
Then when are survivors going to act the same way towards killers and show compassion and courtesy towards killers to make sure they also have a fun game?
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I think toxicity isn't justified. Tunnel is a valid option even if it's annoying. I have been facecamped and tunnel, but as it's away from my control I try not to feel frustrated + even if it's a valid option it's not the best for the killer.
I mean you can tunnel the guy who has been hooked up, but going for the other guy makes the hooked up guy consume his time to heal himself while the other is being chased. So that makes 2 people busy instead of 1. Because if you go for the same guy in the hook the other completely healed guy will go repair as he don't have anything else to do.
So I think the tunnel or facecamp don't justify the toxicity. Toxic behaviour is something beyond what you can do in the gameplay. Facecamp and tunneling are valid options but poor choices at you will get less bloodpoints at the end of the day and most of survivors will know what you're doing and rush gens to escape quickly.
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Well, I do care about the killer's experience and try to do everything I can to make sure they have a fun game, while also ultimately winning, when I play survivor. I do the same as killer. But that's just me, I'm not responsible for the actions of other survivors.
Also, lumping all survivors into one category like that and using it to justify discourteous behaviour is wrong on several levels. Firstly, it's totally unjust. The survivors in this match are not responsible for the bad behaviour of those you faced in the last match, and don't deserve for you to take out your frustration on them. Secondly, "they did the wrong thing so that justifies me doing the wrong thing" is not and never has been an acceptable argument from a moral standpoint.
You can camp and tunnel and slug and whatever else if you want to - as long as you're not breaking any rules, it's perfectly fine from a gameplay perspective, especially since many of those tactics do serve a strategic purpose. You are strategically justified in doing all of those things. But don't act like you're morally justified in intentionally disregarding another player's experience, just because "some survivors are mean".
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Very well written, I entirely agree to this.
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I didn't say it wasn't a strategy nor did I say it wasn't effective. I just stated that you can't complain about looping being a tunneling killer as one leads to the other. Sure survivors will loop you but I have noticed games get less sweaty when they see that you will go out of your way to play "fair".
You didn't anwser have you played much survivor? Because while getting tunneled off the hook after getting farmed by a teammate may indeed be effective for the killer. But as a survivor it seems unfun and unfair. It is not my fault my potato teammate unhooked my right in front of you without BT. Now I depip and get no points and spend my time learning how to loop better so I don't get caught next time.
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Tbh I noticed the exact opposite.
If I play fair they abuse your "kindness". When survs see you dont tunnel and leave the hook they start unhooking right in your back, heal under the hook and get back to the gens. I dont even know how you can play a killer fair and less sweaty :D
I dont see a problem with tunneling. But I can understand the frustration. I usually play solo or 2 man squad at R1. And if you get good mates everyone works together to keep the others alive. I almost enjoy tunneling and camping because its more challenging to overcome this as a team. If I get camped or tunneled right out of the game and I depip, I just do a second game and pip because its fking easy :D
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This is the best advice I can give anyone....when you get messages from survivors complaining of your game play either have a nice meme ready that you use or simply reply with a GGEZ. Let it at that. I play killer and survivor equally...actually more survivor now than killer since it is no longer fun and I can tell you that absolutely nobody, and i mean nobody can even memorize, let alone abide by every single rule from the survivor rule book. No matter how you play you will get survivors telling you what you did wrong if they end up dead. You can't take it seriously at all.
One thing I like to do depending on what map i'm on and the situation of the game...a survivor you are tunneling, even the good ones get pissed and scared. Their looping becomes less efficient and you can usually get them to throw any damn pallet you want them to. So even though I have no plans of making it a full on chase I will definitely capitalize on them giving me a couple pallets.
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That is awesome for you. I am new to survivor but I got 7 devotions as a killer main. I am the weak link when it comes to looping so I guess that is why is is so frustrating to me.
A killer can only play less sweaty if you stop caring about rank, which I did when I switched to survivor. Or stop seeing only 4k as a win. Which I admit is hard to do when you have been killer for so long.
I just noticed I got to the point where anything less than 4k I considered a loss. Then I wanted to get as good as those red rank survivors I was facing every game. I learned that playing with friends was less stressful and more fun. But most of my friends I play with I made playing killer. We respected each other's skill and friendships were formed.
It is a tough game to balance when the objectives for each side are so opposed.
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exactly, I can call myself a surv main as I play at least 70/30 %
But never felt the need to act toxic.
Yesterday I had a guy calling me with flashlight, trying to loop me and as soon as I put him down he dc.
Another one assumed he won cos he was playing with a pre made team on coldwind and stop in front of the gate, when I put him.down and used mori he wrote me telling me that i shouldnt kill when i clearly lost the game.
It amazed me on an athropological level. :/
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Feel ya. Looping/ chase is for me the only reason to play solo survivor. If you just started playing surv then ofc you have to learn it over time. I think I spent half a year playing surv till I got the feeling Im ok at looping. I know these frustrations.
Yeah thats the thing. If you play less sweaty as killer and dont care about rank you cant stay at red ranks. Mby some can, I cant.
I started off with playing killer too back then. For me I was focused on getting a 3k as win con. Later it changed to pipping or double pipping.
Totally agree. Balancing is tough in this game
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I'm hearing a lot of this sportsmanship talk but, every game I play survivors tea bag 24/7. I get it if a good player is trying to get you off a weaker player so they can loop you to death. The problem is when the survivor culture says sit at the exit, wait for the killer, so you can tea bag and give pity points. Then send hate mail no matter how the match went. Do it mid match if you like. I have my everything turned off, don't care how they feel, not gonna throw salt at me.
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Where in my post did i say "all survivors" i just said survivors which means more then 1 and gave a example of when i gave the survivors in a match i had a fair and fun game how they responded to it.
Then pointed out that it is a two way street if survivors want killers to play fair and with compassion and courtesy then they also need to do the same thing towards killers, Apart from the part i used as a example that happened to me the rest off the post was just in general context if survivors wan't killers to act one way then survivors also need to look at doing the same and not just treat it as a one way street.
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Play as you please but tunneling isn't fun survivors. I'm a killer main and just for that reason I won't tunnel and If I do, than I will slug that survivor
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