Self Care is not overrated.

Bond, Borrowed Time, and Prove Thyself.

Thanks a bunch!

You are so confusing lol

Ehm that's ok, you just made it sound like you used all three to counter sloppy butcher

You use what you like, as long as you have fun

I'm definitivly not a "hardcore" gamer

Whats your 4th perk you usually run with those? Thanks for your time! Im just trying things out!

Thanks for the response mate! I figured you 99% the self care heal to make the most out of resilience honestly, great idea with iron will! Thanks for the detailed response ill defintely try it out!

I'm a red rank survivor who has been playing for over a year. I am not a clueless noob. Self Care is a huge waste of time and the best gift survivors can give a killer. I cannot tell you how many times I've died because my teammates are all running Self Care and spend 3-5 minutes EACH healing themselves behind a tree, while I'm injured and repairing gens alone. It's not just 32 seconds of healing. It's hiding behind a tree or finding a nice pallet to camp, then healing for twice as long. Bond is BY FAR the better perk. My mind is genuinely blown you think otherwise.

I'm a red rank too and i think otherwise, and i explain you why. Everytime people talk about SC think only about time wasting. Sorry but it's pointless. Is the search for Ruin totem a huge waste of time? Absolutely YES! Probably the most expensive waste of time in the whole game, because you can learn to perform perfect skill checks! But hey not everybody can perform perfect skill checks even after 2000+ hours, and this give to the killer a huge amount of time to down all your little friends... Most of the games, in my experience, where killer got ez 4k, it wasn't because he was that good but because all the job where made by Ruin totem. Not all players are able to perform perfect skill checks and this slow the game down for everybody. How much time you and your teammates waste regressing gens when performing wrong skill checks when Ruin totem is on? And think about the new Ruin that is coming with the new 3.5.0!

If you waste "some time" to search and cleanse Ruin totem, you give the chance not only to yourself to genrush cosy, but also to your teammates. I can perform perfect skill checks very 98% of the times, so to me find and cleanse Ruin totem is a massive waste of time, way way more than spending 32 seconds healing yourself. Think about it. The time you spend to find a Ruin totem may vary from 30 seconds to 3 minutes. Add the time it take to cleanse the totem. In many games you can't find it at all! How many gens you can repair in 3 minutes? And what about "Dull Totems"? Cleanse? Don't cleanse? Well if you don't cleanse you get NOED. So, everything in Dead By Daylight is, basically, a "waste of time", because this game is so situational and devs try to buy more time for the killers of course, because the game is totally survivor sided.

Self-Care is nothing compared to other "waste of time" topics. Think about those games when you're the only one doing gens, and your teammates are hiding in a bush doing absolutely nothing. Self-Care isn't the problem here. At all!

Self Care is infinitely better with Botany Knowledge lol and people don't like to waste the two perk slots. Tbh those two perks along with fast vault perks would be a nice setup; heal on your own terms without bugging anyone else at 92% speed, or 98% if the killer is looking in your direction (assuming the killer doesn't have any heal slowdown), and if you don't get to finish healing/killer keeps chasing you before you can heal, spine chill resilience combo will help you to loop while you're still injured.

Oh c'mon... please stop these killers blackmails. Please. Every perk has its counter. Noed? Cleanse totems. Blood Warden? It actually works? I haven't seen any 4K with Blood Warden in more than 1700+ hours, so... we're not scared, stop blackmailing :D

Again with "perk slot waste". Are you people actually playing this game or what? Lets take some examples, do we? Aaaight. Let's suppose you have one meta build, like Adrenaline, Decisive Strike, Balanced Landing and Unbreakable. In a match the use of Adrenaline is not guaranteed for many reasons, so "perk slot wasted". Decisive Strike, use not guaranted, because the killer if he's smart, slug you on the ground and secondly i haven't seen any Decisive Strike grant so much safe after the use. So, to me is another "perk slot wasted". Balanced Landing, it's good if you're in Haddonfield, in other maps, so so... Finally Unbreakable. The killer don't slug you and hook you all the times. Perk slot wasted. All these perks use is not guaranted in an actual match.

Self-Care, Botany, Resilience and Iron Will, are all perks that has an actual use on every game. Time wasting? With Botany and Resilience i can heal faster anybody, even myself. There is sobody who got downed and he is slugging on the ground? I can heal him so fast that they all come back to me when they need a heal. Think about this build as a "doctor" type of class in the game.

I play DbD more than any other game, and people with "meta perks" get killed as well.

Self Care is a great perk for low-rank survivors who don't know how to loop the killer yet and/or are scared to do objectives while injured. Red Ranks would never run it (ideally) — if the killer comes they'll loop him for days even while injured, and besides, you can ALWAYS find a teammate to heal you. It makes no sense for red rank players. Most streamers are red ranks so that's why you see them talk bad about Self Care. If you're a beginner then it's actually a great perk.

As an example, I'm a rank 1 survivor and I run resilience and adrenaline. I stay injured most of the match (if there's no time to get healed) and I count on Adrenaline to heal me. Remember there's no point in healing while you know the killer is busy chasing someone else. Just do a gen while injured, it's not that scary.

Well i well explained in this post many times the reason why healing isn't a waste of time at all. I also compared it to Ruin totem search some posts above. Maybe against legion it is, but it's one killer over many, and i don't meet so much legions to be honest (luckily!).

There are 4 survivors on the map, right? If one survivor is healing himself, i don't think the other 3 aren't doing a single gen. Maybe one is on a chase, but the other 2 are certainly messing with some generator. So going to a teammate, that is doing a gen and asking to be healed, it's 16 seconds taken out from the gen he is reparing. Right? Time wasted. With Botany and Resilience, i can heal myself at almost the same speed, and i don't stop my teammate from commiting his gen. If you see it from this point of view, Self-Care isn't a waste of time at all. Yes you could help your teammate commiting the gen, instead of asking for a heal, but they heal you anyway after the gen is done. Where is the "time gain"? It's simple math.

As a Resilience survivor, i don't heal everytime (that would be stupid), or the use of resilience would be pointless. I actually start using Self-Care only when most of the gens are done, and i need to start organizing the escape strategy, that is almost a pain at every match, with the killer camping his prey. I don't believe that injuried survivor are such a threat for killers honestly. With one hit they are down, especially with sneaky killers, like Ghostface and The Pig. They can catch you out of guard. Not all the survivor players are killer juking gods, so an extra help is much better than no help at all.

Also, stacking perks to improve self-care is just stupid. Bring a medkit instead.

Go for a chest and search for a medkit, isn't a waste of time? You can find a toolbox or a flashlight instead of a medkit. :D As i said some posts above, in comparison, is the search for Ruin totem a waste of time? It is, at least for me because i can relay on my skills, but can i say the same for the rest of my teammates, that constantly regress generators performing wrong skillchecks? But if you find the totem, you give the chance to everybody to genrush. I think that "time" is important but also very relative in DbD, because the game strongly depend on "different scenarios". I'm rank 1 so i don't feel any pressure about "ranking", but i never took SC off my builds since i started playing DbD, because those i use are the only perks that a really suitable for all type of scenarios, while other meta perks are only scenario dependant.

I don't think searching for totems is a waste of time, especially since most killers tend to run Ruin and/or NOED and I run Small Game. I'm not sure what platform you're on, but Ruin is incredibly strong on console. I think because the frame rates are lower? It's very hard to hit great skill checks on console. When you run Small Game and learn where totems spawn, you can cleanse very quickly and it's definitely worth it for one person to cleanse a totem that affects everyone, and it's really nice to know at the end of the game I'm not getting smacked with NOED, or if it does pop, I know where the totem is because I've done all the others. I cannot tell you how many games I've single-handedly been responsible for cleansing every totem and everyone making it out easily because of no NOED, not to mention cleansing Ruin within the first 30 seconds or so of the game. It's amazing how often my Small Game pings as I load into the game and it's the Ruin totem right there. I literally spend zero time searching for the totem sometimes. But yeah, you're right, 0 seconds is a huge waste compared to 32+ seconds someone is going to spend Self-Caring. And when you're running around checking for totems, you scope out the layout and see where the gens spawned and can make sure you know where the basement is, the gates are, and make sure you don't three gen yourself.

And Self Care doesn't just take 32 seconds. It probably takes a solid minute if not more every time because most people look for a pallet to camp or a nice tree to Blendette behind. Shockingly, you can continue to play the game if you're injured. You might even find that you get a gen halfway done, and then a teammate comes by, heals you, and the gen is done together. If you run a perk like Dead Hard, you could even argue that being injured just makes you stronger. I find that 99% of my teammates will heal me when they unhook me, and then we can stay together and work on a gen.

Self-Care is a problem and it's so frustrating to me that even in red ranks, most if not all my teammates are running it. I've lost so many games because teammates will Self-Care after every hit and they spend 4-5 minutes each per game not doing gens. Just bring a medkit if you have to heal by yourself. Not only is it faster, but you get another perk.

SC was overrated before it was nerfed. We have inner strength. SC is for poor, noob survs.

The anti self-care people don't understand that. They think that being a good survivor is only about running the killer well. They often only do gens in the safest areas of the map when injured and let their teammates take all the aggro. At the end of the game when everyone is dead and they still haven't been hooked (because they went against a good killer who understands which parts of maps not to chase in), they often think they carried, and that their teammates weren't good.