Hm, an easy & simple solution to Ruin? Take a quick look..

lol thank you!

You may be right! They might have to do some testing on what the most fair % would be.. the reason I suggested 50% is because as of now usually my average Killer game with ruin goes like this..

I get 1 Hook and 5 gens are still up by the time Ruin is found and destroyed.

^^ The above is true for the majority of matches where Ruin isn't found immediately before I can even make any use of it, which wouldn't change either way since the way Hex Totems work.

But, I do believe in order to keep the same level of "Power" that Ruin had, where I can get 1 Hook and still see 5 gens up as I have been getting thus far with Ruin, it would have to be closer to 50% decrease in gen repair speeds. 90% of my matches though Ruin is found and destroyed by the time I get 1 hook, probably 5% of the time I get 2 hooks out of it, and very very rarely it isn't found for most of the game because it was hidden so well. That's like only 2% of the time probably.

Anyways, to keep the same level of strength as it was before, the gen speed reduction would have to be enough in my opinion so that on average a killer could hook at least 1 person 1 time before Ruin was found and destroyed, while still keeping 5 Gens up during this early game.

Yes lol, I feel like the people that are getting me understand how easy of a solution this really is and keeps ruin close to as effective (where it needed to be) as before but still a fair balance for both Survivor AND Killer.

In fact it would be even MORE balanced than previous Ruin, disregarding the skill checks, because survivors would still be allowed to progress without any regression on gens, and at the same time it would still slow down gen speeds for killers EVEN against pro survivors that hit “Great Skillchecks” all the time where old ruin didn’t do anything against them at all...

I literally seriously cannot see or find a problem with this solution, it just screams easy balance to me! And no crazy complicated additional things necessary.

@Peanits hate to bug you with this, but can you see a problem with this that I am not seeing? So far for every scenario I can think of this would be pretty well balanced and still giving both killer and survivor something useful compared to the old ruin. Like I mentioned before in a counter argument, even providing more exciting gameplay for survivors, but keeping it very similar to how it used to be before still.

Thank you for the more thorough response. Appreciate the effort back!

Actually I do agree with you on many things, when I had stated in the previous reply "EVERY" Survivor could be looking for Ruin, I realize that wouldn't be optimal.. but again, even if 2 Survivors were looking for it and 2 were doing Gens at lets say 20-50% decreased speed (whichever ends up being most fair) in the early game it might still end up making ruin feel the same way it felt before this rework for both Killers and Survivors.

I understand that Ruin is not the issue, the issue is Gen Speeds, and as you mentioned how boring Gens are to do in the first place, along with other underlying issues as well I am sure. But that's a lot to fix, and I've heard many devs clearly state that Gen Speeds are not going to be increased.. so therefore if we are just looking at the Ruin Rework alone, without ANY other factors involved, I still think you would possibly agree with me that MY Version of the Ruin Rework that I suggested is a better Rework than what they are currently offering, for both Killer and Survivor in many ways. This being said under the circumstance if nothing else changes, only Ruin. Does that make sense?

As far as your idea about having Gen Parts that Survivors could find and install to gens for example for "Instant 25% Progress" with perhaps like 2-3 difficult Skill Checks to succeed, I think would be a great idea and fun way to make the game more exciting for Survivors, at least for those of us that prefer "Searching for Totems" vs doing Gens as I do, then I could search for Gen Parts as well and actually feel like I am an effective part of the team without constantly sitting on a Gen. The only part of this I think would be unfair is if this allowed Survivors to complete all 5 gens without ever having to sit on one, therefore with Spine Chill and Urban Evasion they could possibly hide all game just collecting Gen Parts and almost never get caught so the Killer would waste insane amount of time searching for stealthy players. Perhaps they might do this but only allow it for the first 2 gens, so when there are only 3 gens left it means they would have to go back to completing them the old fashioned way. This would still potentially help slow down the early game and make it more interesting for everyone. Killers I think should be able to see the Gen Parts as well so they know where they are on the map and can keep track of them, not necessarily with an aura, just visually like dull totems are now. All that I would certainly agree with and I believe would keep it fair and balanced, although I think OVERALL Gen speed progress should be slowed down then, like maybe 20% decreased gen progress speed for the first 2 gens repaired on the map but allowing Gen Parts to be assembled, and then back to regular 100% normal gen speed for the last 3 gens on the map as it is now but no longer allowing Gen Parts.

I can see the above working, or even (while this would be less fun it would be easier to accomplish) just making it so when a match starts there is an automatic 30% Decreased Gen Speed, and each time a gen is completed give it 10% boost to Repair Speeds until it reaches Regular 100% normal speed again. Another way to slow down the early game slightly.

I will also add that I too play Survivor and Killer equally, and have no preference either way which is why I am trying to find solutions that are genuinely fun and balanced for both sides in my opinion. I have never been in Red Ranks as either Killer or Survivor, but since I typically play alone, I do better as Killer which I have been to Rank 5 with multiple times. I have gotten as low as Rank 6 once before on Survivor but typically sit in Green Rank. Solo Q has a lot to do with that, and my inability to loop killers. I think that playing Killer is easier until Purple Rank, but then all you face is Red Rank Survivors and I think it's too challenging especially vs SWF, where I believe killers are at a huge disadvantage at least in those ranks.

On Killer I mained Spirit or Nightmare most of my games thus far, and I never used Ruin on either of those killers, so honestly the Ruin rework doesn't really effect me all that much either to be honest, and the reason I created this post surprisingly was NOT for myself, it was not because I loved Ruin for any particular reason, I rarely used it only on certain Killers such as Legion (who I believe really does benefit a lot from Ruin unfortunately), but I do believe that the new Ruin "Rework" is unfair and doesn't accurately provide the same benefit at all whatsoever that the old Ruin was used for.. so now there is nothing that is great to use in replace of it for others who relied on Ruin, and that's why I created this post because after reading probably hundreds of ideas that were suggested in other threads on the topic of Ruin recently I still think my solution/suggestion really is the best and I haven't found any logical issues with it yet!

That being said, I genuinely am surprised at how little positive feedback I have gotten about it, and I wonder why that is, when other far worse suggestions got much more attention. Perhaps I just joined the conversation too late, because by now people are just simply tired about talking about the Ruin Rework in general. This is fair, but I still think my idea is ultimately the simplest and best solution for the current problem that was presented by the rework for players.