Playing the Spirit is a lot harder than i anticipated.
So. I for the longest time absolutely HATED spirit. Im a killer main but i have spent a lot of time on survivor to know how matchups n stuff go.
Spirit is NOT as braindead as people make her out to be.
She indeed takes skill in her power. Its not as easy as follow the scratch marks/ follow the moans of pain. Good survivors exist and they showed me that spirit can be countered and can even be a nightmare to play with.
Some will say "Oh well your just bad and dont see the problems in spirit" and to that i say. Do you play her and know how she is? Of course the entitled players will say spirit is broken and needs nerfs when in reality it takes skill to get into her and start mauling people. Now. This changes my view on spirit mains. I still dont like the killer as a whole but i can respect the effort it takes to truly pick her up and dominate with her
Do i think she needs some sort of overview? Yes. Just make it a bit easier to tell when she fazes and Prayer beads. Thats it. Nothing else in my opinion should change. Maybe how fast she regains her power but thats my limit.
IM ONLY TRYING TO START A CONVERSATION. Do not bash me for it
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Look, as someone who has started learning Spirit after playing mainly Pig, yes. She is difficult, but the main thing is that unlike someone like Nurse, or even to a degree some one like Hillbilly, is that there's way more of a mental aspect to playing her. Both sides are trying to pick up of the other's mentality, and it's almost a coin flip within a chase.
The only thing that I can really say is collision and directionalised noise need to go, and maybe swap the rarities of Mother-Daughter Ring and Prayer Beads.
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No, its called iron will and walking. And the unfamiliarity with the killer makes it even harder because at that point you have to predict
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Prayer Beads to me should be reworked entirely. I dont like it as a whole and rarity doesnt really change its existence.everything else i agree with
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It takes skill, but not that much as other killers on red ranks. It's way more difficult to be a good trapper than a good spirit.
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It seems to me that you are a newbie with her, I don't play the game anymore, but when I did it it was very easy to get 4k ... speaking that with it I had 20 ~ 30 games in my entire existence, I qualify as baby spirit and still manage to destroy survivors.
Iron will and walking works, as long as the spirit does not have a stridor, otherwise you spent a slot for nothing ... better question, why do I have to spend a slot just to counteract a specific killer?...
That's why I think that it doesn't require skill, in one day you learn to follow the groans and that's it, it's the whole learning curve.
Otherwise, I am a nurse, I have about 100 games with her and I still have to master her completely ... Do you know what it is to be a nurse without supplements at Lery's? That requires a lot of skill.
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Even when I use headphones and no one's running Iron Will, I still have a ton of trouble tracking survivors by sound. If there's music, I definitely can't hear them over it.
I used to think it was my headphones, but I'm actually able to track directional sounds pretty well in Dying Light (I don't play many games on PS4 where tracking by sound is necessary; I think I'm able to track sound in Battlefront II, as well, though), so now I'm not sure what it is. But I often have no idea where a sound is originating from in Dead by Daylight. I can't figure out where that dull totem I just heard a survivor cleanse is. If I hear the sound of an injured survivor for a moment and then it goes quiet, I couldn't even give a basic direction of where they were. And I can't use my power mid-chase because if I lose visual of the survivor, I lose the survivor.
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Spirit requires no mechanical skill. So, she's automatically easier than Nurse, Billy, and Huntress in that regard.
The only difficult thing about Spirit is learning how to track and predict properly. It's not exactly easy, but it isn't super difficult either.
For the amount of power Spirit has, she is relatively easy to play against most survivors.
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You need to become familiarized with the maps and with survivor movement; the scratch marks can be a hint to where the survivor is trying to get to, you can even get to the pallet or window the survivor wants to get to before he or she does if you make the correct read following the scratchmarks. Once you become familiarized with this, she is a beast. Best killer in the game in my opinion.
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Spirit has a learning curve but the learning curve is a lot lower than Nurse or even Billy. It's a lot easier to get effective with Spirit than most any other killer mechanically.
Beyond that you just need to get better at tracking and prediction -- which is a universal skill for all killers.
Bad killer players can be countered by anyone, and even good players on good killers can be countered if they are outplayed. I once ran a good decked-out Nurse wearing premium skins around for a couple of minutes until two gens were done at the end of the game. Exit gate powers and I manage to juke her because her attention got distracted by the Exit Gates, and dodge NoEd, which hits my friendly survivor teammate who tried to open a gate.
She was by no means a bad nurse, I was just in the zone at the time and made all the correct mindgaming decisions and she made all the wrong ones. It was a string of luck more than anything else, I never managed to do the same feat again against a nurse for that long; it was one of those highly improbably things that came together for that game.
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Easy to use, hard to master.
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Survivors: "Don't you have headphones?"
Also Durvivors: "Wah, make spirit ez to hear!!!1111"
Yeah, not cool when the bad sound for once affects your side huh?
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Good job in trying her out. I couldnt get over the whole blindness thing with her. ( and her default hair)
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Nurse was the 2nd hardest killer to learn and do well(1st is huntress), but she was nerfed because of that 1% of the player manage to do well with her with basekit.
So yeah, spirit will be nerfed too to "increase skill cap" because she is "overperforming", and later will be billy, freddy, hag... until every killers are nerf
Btw i think only prayer beads need change, others are fine
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I have the same problem. It's almost as if all the sounds are omnidirection, and i can't determine the distance too
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Being hard to play didn't stop the Devs from adding a second cool down to Nurse. What chance do you think Spirit has with that excuse?
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Glad to know I'm not the only one. It drives me nuts. Really sucks when I get flashlight blinded. Everyone's always like, "Pffft, just follow the survivor's sounds. Ez." Follow what?! What sounds?! There was like one week during the last year I've been playing this game where sounds were fixed so that I could actually follow a survivor while blinded... it was glorious.
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2 Things that I firmly believe take 0 skill with her.
- Backrubbing and hitting wounded survivors while in phase mode. You can clearly pinpoint their location, even though you can't see them, it's almost as if you could.
- Standing accross the pallet "mindgaming" waiting for a survivor to move to a spot that grants her a free hit.
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People who say that Spirit doesn't take any skill are the same who say Nurse and Billy don't take skill.
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Mainly because, at those ranks, survivor usually outweighs killer when it comes to perk economy and usage.
It takes a lot more concentration for a Trapper to do as well as a Nurse or Spirit when the map is the size of Texas, survivors are running Dead Hard, Adrenaline, Borrowed, and DS, and know the maps and loops more than they know their own mother.
High rank play is not too balanced.
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you couldn't be anymore wrong about that LOL
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That's because trapper is overly weak..not due to skill requirement
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Both instances it's due to survivor mistake..aside from the collision
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Lol and survivors are easy despite being stronger than the majority of killers..so..what's your point?..
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This is why she is so equally divided among the community..those who never play her say shes easy , no counters, all that crap..but when you actually pick her up you realize her weaknesses are far more plentiful than many think and it's why people dont trust the devs to dumpster her after this nurse change
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Not really. I play her and she was super easy to learn if you know how to play killer in general. Probably the most low skill/high reward killer in the game. Listening isn't a skill cap.
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"Some will say "Oh well your just bad and dont see the problems in spirit" and to that i say. Do you play her and know how she is? Of course the entitled players will say spirit is broken and needs nerfs when in reality it takes skill to get into her and start mauling people. Now. This changes my view on spirit mains. I still dont like the killer as a whole but i can respect the effort it takes to truly pick her up and dominate with her"
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This is the main problem with spirit right now. Those people dont even realize that you dont become a automatic heat seeking missle when using some bloody headphones and stridor.
Yes stridor is usefull on spirit but from shattered bloodline ptb till today i played a great majority of matches without it (im very "lucky" with bloodweb) because i reached a point where i can easily track a survivor with IW without the use of stridor.
Hell i started playing spirit just 2 days ago by not using her power at all during a chase and i still get survivors to dc.
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Imagine saying Hillbilly takes more skill than Spirit.
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She does have a learning curve which is one of the reasons she was not thought of as any better than mid tier originally. Now she is considered one of the best.
Clown is on the same path but its taking a little longer....
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@immortalls96 Huh?
Backrubbing a wounded survivor is not a survivor mistake? Idk what you mean by survivor mistake.
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curving,and all of his chainsaw mindgames around certain tiles take ALOT more skill idk what are you on about
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More so than running in a circle
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Stridor doesn't counter Iron Will completely. Depends on the character. Ace is still silent. And Stridor also creates problems on other maps. Audio becomes mostly directionless in corn fields during phasing and echoes badly in corn with Stridor.
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I agree. Spirit is a lot harder to play than people claim. The ones making the claim either never actually played her at high ranks, or were amazing at killer already and the transition was super easy (because most of playing killer is the same regardless of who you play, it's only the details that are different really).
Also people said Nurse is hard to learn and I disagree. I'm on Xbox, I played her exclusively for 2 days and was dominating some groups. I don't consider myself a great Nurse but she's definitely easier to play than people claim. Learn how blinks work, that's all there is to it. (Not to say she is EASY to play, just EASIER than the claims).
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