i've had enough. no more rift for me. no more tomes. sick of it.
THE TOMES/RIFT HAVE RUINED THE GAME. INSTEAD OF THIS GAME BEING ABOUT PLAYING THE GAME, IT IS BASICALLY ALL REVOLVING AROUND COMPLETING CHALLENGES IN THE TOMES. IT'S KILLING THE GAME. INSTEAD OF FIXATING ON PLAYING THE GAME, I DAILY FIND MYSELF INSTEAD FIXATING ON HOW I AM GOING TO COMPLETE THE NEXT CHALLENGE. THIS RESULTS IN ME BEING A BAD PLAYER AND RUINING MATCHES FOR MY OTHER TEAM MATES AS I CHASE THEM AROUND ATTEMPTING TO HEAL THEM, OR TRY TO BLIND THE KILLER BECAUSE YOU ARE FORCING US TO DO THIS TWICE IN 1 TRIAL.
ENOUGH OF THESE FORCED DO THIS IN ONE TRIAL SHENANIGANS. IF YOU AREN'T GOING TO REMVE THESE IN ONE TRIAL NONSENSE CHALLENGES THAN I AM NOT INTERESTED IN PLAYING THE TOMES/RIFT ANYMORE.
IF HOWEVER, YOU WISH TO BE LIKE
"HEAL 10 HEALTH STATES"
"TRAP X SURVIVORS"
"UNHOOK X SURVIVORS"
THAN FINE. BUT ENOUGH OF THIS "IN ONE TRIAL" BS. IT'S RUINING THE GAME AND CAUSING MATCHES TO BE ABOIUT NOTHING BUT FINISHING THE TOME INSTEAD OF ACTUALLY PLAYING THE GAME. IT'S BAD FOR THE GAME, AND NEEDS TO GO.
I'VE BEEN STUCK ON THE SAME DUMB "HEAL 2 SURVIORS FULLY IN ONE TRIAL WITH BOTANY KNOWLEDGE" CHALLENGE FOR OVER A MONTH. NO ONE WANTS TO BE HEALED AND CHASING THEM DOWN JUST RESULTS IN LOSING THE MATCH.
GET RID OF THIS GARBAGE.
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Gotta' agree here. "Complete in a single trial" ones are off the charts frustration- and repetitive-wise.
Funnest part is knowing this isn't just a 1-and-done event-type deal... this is forevermore. This is now DbD.
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ALSO MAKE THE FLASHLIGHT A BIT MORE USEFUL. HOW THE HECK DO YOU EXPECT US TO BLIND THE KILLER ONCE IN ONE TRIAL LET ALONE TWICE.
WAT A JOKE. MOST USELESS ITEM IN THE GAME. DOES NOTHING. RELIES TOTALLY ON THE KILLER BEING A PATHETIC PLAYER TO FUNCTION.
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DO YOU NEED TO SPEAK WITH CAPS LOCK ACTIVE, LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE SCREAMING
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I AM SCREAMING.
TRIES TO COMPLETE FINAL SURVIVOR CHALLENGE FOR TOME 2 (HEAL 2 FULL HEALTH STATES IN ONE TRIAL) - TAKES OVER A MONTH. GIVES UP
TRIES KILLER CHALLENGE (TRAP 4 SURVIVORS IN ONE TRIAL) COMPLETES ON FIRST ATTEMPT, BEATS TOME 2.
DOES NO ONE SEE A PROBLEM WITH THIS?
HOW SHOULD HEALING 2 FULL HEALTH STATES OF SURVIVORS BE HARDER THAN TRAPPING 4 SURVIVORS IN TRAPS, OTHER THAN THAT ONE RELIES SIMPLY ON YOUR OWN STRATEGY.
SO YA. CAPS LOCK INTENDED.
I know exactly what the issue is, if behavior is willing to listen. It's that killer challenges rely completely on 1 players skill. That's it. One player. No interference, no other killers running around sabotaging your progress. No having to worry about a completely random variable that relies on whether or not your team mates want to be healed, etc.
Survivor challenges - complete random garbage that promotes toxic gameplay. Run around trying to heal your team mates. Team mates all come with med packs. Everyone trying to complete the saem challenge, or not caring. People still Dcing because consequences be darned. Spending the whole match running from you while you try and heal them. Etc etc. This is the same with survivor daily quests. Takes 2 days just to complete quest to heal 3 health states. Takes 10 minutes to complete DO X KILLER MOVE X TIMES.
in fact, most of the time, I complete most killer quests on the first attempt. But survivor quests?
"Open the exit gate with X" This usually results in multiple people being on the same quest, rushing to the gate to try and complete it..and yup.
Heal 3 health states - takes the whole week to do , mostly due to people healing themselves or not healing, refusing to be healed.
There is a serious issue here. You can't expect 4 random people most likely on the same quest to co-operate when in a random group.
2) Most survivor challenges require you to have items. you fail the challenge, you have to get new items. This is usually ok, except if the challenge is restricted to you also having a specific perk. Now not only do you need to farm the items, you also have to do it on a character that has that perk. When you run out of items, the challenge becomes useless and can't be completed or have any progress towards it until you get the items. This is fine..if you are level 1-15 where the bloodweb doesn't take 200k points to get through and you are guaranteed an item. however, if your character is level 25+ ..ya good luck with that. odds are the item you are looking for will not even be in the bloodweb. The survivor quests that require the flashlight are also horrible. The flashlight is the most useless item in the game. it basically serves no function unless it is purple quality with purple or better addons. Which poses an even worse issue, because now instead of just trying to get an item to complete a quest, you have to hunt down a purple item, an irridiscent addon and maybe a green addon. Otherwise, you can't complete the quest. Then, if you get this far..YOU HAVE TO LEARN TO USE THE FLASHLIGHT PROPERLY, BECAUSE UNLIKE THE MEDPACK AND THE TOOLBOX, THERE'S A STEEP LEARNING CURVE TO EVEN GETTING IT TO DO WHAT THE QUEST WANTS IN THE FIRST PLACE.
GRRR.
Killer challenges on the other hand, require nothing but being a killer. ya, sometimes they require a specific perk.. but then you can just go play that killer at level 1 and use that perk..
That is why the harder killer quests are so easy.
The archives were a good idea. However, I think it's about time you realized they need to be just reworked.
Also, the flashlight is the most useless item in the game. Having a challenge that requires you to have X item to complete
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Tbh those are all challenges you complete by playing the game normally. If you focus on completing them its your own choice.
Heal 3 health states happens like 1 game out of 3 lmao you are too focused on the challenges.
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right. Cuz that is how basic human psychology and video game design theory actually function. mhmm.
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Idk about that. Im telling you I completed all the challenges survivor side from tome 1 to 3 just by playing like I normally would and on my way to rank 1.
as for killer I completed all tome 1 and 2 and im finishing tome 3. Killer is a bit tedious since you have to grind and just play more games to get your obsession dead or pallet destroyed or survs hooked.
btw im a bad killer and the first time I tried I completed the 4 trap trophy with trapper.
no addons no perks i had like iron grasp or smth like that since my trapper is lvl 1
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I've been stuck at the same challenge (healing with botany) for days until I just gave up and replaced the perk.
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This isn't constructive.
Also not a poll.
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WHERE DO I VOTE?
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Well I'm the same, but it's more down to the fact I just haven't got time to complete all the challenges. After this Tome, I'm done with Premium passes.
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I did all my challenges in at least one week
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I WAS ALSO OF THIS MINDSET!!
THANK GOODNESS I FOUND A GOOD THREAD SINCE MY CAPS BUTTON IS BROKEN!
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IDK, seems like you've just had bad luck honestly.
I'd run we'll make it with botany to get people to sit still, maybe even borrowed and empathy as a full heal build. It took me like 7 games to get the trapper one done while the healing ones were done first try.
Flashlights can be very useful for extra points and to get a little extra time in chases and it's pretty easy to blind at pallets or even when they vault. It takes a couple games to get used to them but it's super easy when you get the hang of it; you just point at their face. I've found a yellow flashlight with 2 batteries works great as you get a ton of time to practice it in a match. Throw on streetwise for even more time. No items; throw on plunderers and hope for the best.
Also it defeats the purpose of them being challenges if you can just do them super easily. I have issues with some of the challenges don't get me wrong but the ones you've mentioned are pretty tame IMO.
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I'M NOT TAKING YOU SERIOUSLY WHEN YOU TALK IN ALL CAPS.
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Including Tome 3 I think all the challenges are easy. This is for both sides (killer being slightly more easy), and I am not amazing at this game at all.
And well, you dont have to do any challenges. If you dont like - your choice. No need to bother with it, no need to be stressed of it.
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i won't be bothering with it. I am not purchasing the next rift due to how craptastic the first one has been. No thanks!
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this is out of hand.
first we gotta have med packs and addons for med packs
then we gotta have the right perk , prestige claudette to 40 to get said perk, then level up a character until that perk gets to level 3 (if we don't want to play claudette)
then we gotta que up with competent players
then we gotta heal survivors, so the survivors have to get injured and not run away like maniacs all over the map
then we gotta hope we don't que with anyone also on the quest. any claudettes, or any one with a med pack.
then we gotta que with people who aren't on the daily quest to heal 3 health states
THEN WE GOTTA NOT ONLY ACCOMPLISH ALL THIS, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO HAVE A PURPLE MED KIT WITH ALL PURPLE ADDONS, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HEAL THE SURVIVORS WITH THE MED KIT. THIS MEANS, IF WE GET INJURED, WE CAN'T HEAL OURSELVES. WE CAN'T HEAL OTHERS WHO ARE BEING HEALED (BECAUSE WE HAVE TO COMPLETELY HEAL THEM) WE CAN'T HEAL WIHTOUT THE USE OF A MED KIT.
AND THEN
IF WE'RE LUCKY, WE WILL COMPLETELY FINISH HEALING 2 SURVIVORS AND NOT GET CREDIT FOR THE QUEST, DESPITE THE FACT WE MUST HAVE COMPLETED IT SINCE WE ARE ALSO ON THE DAILY QUEST TO HEAL 3 HEALHT STATES, WHICH WE COMPLETED AT THE END OF 1 GAME..BUT DIDN'T GET CREDIT FOR THE QUEST.
LIke seriously. this game is broken.
I'm out, you wont' be getting another penny from me on these rifts. No thanks. I'm not shoving $60 your way just because you gate the rift behind these impossible to complete challenges.
This stupid quest to heal 2 survivors health states completely in one trial is pathetic. It is not easy, it's the most difficult challenge on the rift, and it's blockading the way to complete tome 2 for those who don't wish to play trapper.
I suggest you get rid of it. whoever thought up this brainless design of a challenge needs to be punished severely and fired.
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here's an idea..if your gonna have quests that rely on items (which expire after the trial, or after getting used up) and you have people randomly joining pug groups, how about have a way to track which of your team mates are on which quests. because as you anyone with a brain can clearly understand , most of the problem is caused by this. there's just too much rng to complete a lot of quests lke this. it's not even a challenge. it's more luck of the draw. the way it is set up currently, you also can't even change your quest when already in the group loadout. YOu are stuck with it. So..if you que up and put on your med pack with all the addons, hoping that you are gonna get lucky and this time is the time, only to be greeted by 2 claudettes and a bill with a med pack, your SOL and can't do anything about it unless you quit the lobby and lobby hop.
LIke..who tested this stuff before release. obviously nobody.
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i thought this was a gonna be a rant, but honestly you are 100% right and i 110% support you and this.
(disclaimer, i do know that this isn't required to complete the rift, but if you want the BP, and the lore pages for yourself, then you are forced to complete this, and this is coming from someone who has completed every challenge up to the end of tome 3)
(disclaimer of the disclaimer, i do understand that the challenges in the tome will be playable after the rift closes to unlock the lore and maybe BP and/or the rift fragments [i doubt the rift fragments but idk], but they still support a play-style the requires you to go out of your way and half ######### to do, i personally was able to complete some of the challenges that require you to do something, in one trial, on my first try while running solo, but i can see how some people who dont have every perk unlocked at tier 3 on one survivor and one killer could find this annoying and/or hard)
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constantly pointing out that people have the choice to do the rift/tomes and the choice not to do the rift/tomes is not a solution. I agree, it's optional. However, for those who paid for it, for those who wish to complete it, it's filled with unnecessary , rng, inconsistent challenges that unnecessarily block your path. You can only do one challenge at a time unable to make progress on any challenges asides from the one you picked. So, if you get fid up of one challenge and go to an easier one.. you may or may not get slapped in the face when you complete the challenge you just gave up on but don't get credit for it, because you picked a different challenge.
Telling people "it's optional, you don't have to do it" is pretty lame, no offense. I understand it's optional. I want to do it, that's why I paid to do it. But refusing to fix something and blaming the player because they can "just not do it then" or whatever, is pathetic. Broken content , is broken content, whether it's paid optional content or not. People wish to do this for the challenge, and to get the exclusive items. However, as i have pointed out, a lot of these "challenges" are not even challenges. They require no skill. You can be the best player in the world and still be stuck in tome 2 because you can't beat that lame challenge that requires you to A) have a med pack b) not be qued with anyone with a med pack or healing skill c) have med packs stockpiled D) face a killer who is not just standing there afk e) have your team mates actually get injured f) no one else can heal them g) if you get hurt, you can't heal yourself h) your med pack does not run out i) you conveniently also have the claudette perk at level etc.
It's unnecessarily, pathetically convuluted, and I just realized there's a part 2, which requires you do the same thing 3 times in one trial. The odds that you are going to have team mates not running around the map refusing to get healed, not healing themselves, not being healed by others ..3 TIMES? In a random pug, after meeting all the previously mentioned requirements? that is insane! That's just too much to ask for. Then you gotta sit there and level up to get new med packs..but it's randomized whether you will get one, the quality is randomized, you may not get the right addons.
like it's too much.
I'm not asking much here. trapping 5 survivors in one trial - completely doable. You are playing by yourself. You have no one to blame but yourself if you don't do this. But a challenge where you are forced into healing others 2-3 times FULLY by yourself, with a perk and a med kit. That's too much! That's not reliant on skill. That's reliant on random luck of the draw appropriate circumstances. It shouldnt' be a challenge. There's nothing challenging about it, other than the endless grind to get new med packs and the constant giving up on the match to try again, and hoping no one else is on the same challenge or the daily quest to heal 3 health states, or that your team actually even gets injured. at least 5 times while attempting to do this quest, all 4 of us escaped without a scratch for instance. Oops o well. better luck next time. Keep trying. Like seriously.
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I agree with you - the challenges have definitely had a negative effect on gameplay, at least on the survivor side, and a big one at that. I'm not even trying to do any of the killer challenges anymore since I'm a survivor main and it wouldn't be fun for me. I think if they made some tweaks it could be better - like being able to do challenges in any order you want - it would be better. I don't blame you for being frustrated. And even if you don't do the challenges, others are, and it negatively affects the games. It's a shame.
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I would form an opinion of the rift challenges if I could find Lobbys within a reasonable time.
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I just hate how if you have a one-match challenge, you either get it done or you make no progress. I think it would be better if each one-match challenge had a prolonged challenge attached to it. Completing the main challenge would get you all the points instantly, but if you aren't ever able to complete the main challenge, you are still able to chip away at it overtime.
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Just an fyi, you don't have to heal a survivor from start to finish to get that challenge. It is a total of 2 or 3 health states, just like the daily rituals.
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Also FYI - to get X amount of killer sacrifices, of course you can play killer and do it, but you can also just be in the terror radius of another survivor when they are being sacrificed. Yourself being sacrificed counts too.
@not_Queen @Peanits Let the team know about that one.
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shhhhhh dont tell them my secrets (kidding)
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no it is not. it is 2 complete heals. I just depleted 3 med kits, healed everyone. did not get challenge. do the math there. that means even starting with 1 med kit, i had to open 2 chests (which randomly contained med kits) and still did not get the challenge completed. yup. Entirely on me . my fault. Nothing wrong with the game at all. Mhmm.
seriously!
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i'm just gonna give up on this challenge again. I'll be back in a week. Expect me to continue complaining about it then. Probably this time next year I will be complaining about it. Only difference is that I will also be complaining about the "heal 3 survivors completely using botany knowledge and a med kit in one trial " as well.
Alternatively, if you don't wish to hear me complain, you can either ban me from the forums or do your job and fix it.
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CAN YOU REPEAT PLEASE, I COULDN'T HEAR YOU FROM THE OTHER ROOM!
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Most of the challenges are fine honestly. I got most of the master challenges in a single try. Only one I haven't got yet is blind the killer while he's carrying a survivor.
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I think I can safely say that is not the case for most people. Glad it worked out for you. Unfortunately, you aren't the only one playing this game.
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Holy cap locks Batman.
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I'm not meaning to sound like a nasty person who can't accept other's opinions. However, there is a difference between disagreeing with someone for a legitimate reason, and stuff like saying
"git gud then"
"don't like it, don't buy it"
"well, i don't mean to toot my own horn, but one time i chopped off the head of a t-rex with a tooth pick, climbed mount everest in my underware, shot myself in the head and missed, won the lottery chugged a keg without succumbing to alcohol poisoning all in the same day"
those aren't disagreements. THose are pathetic pointless statements that have nothing to do with what I am talking about. They do not offer any refute towards my claims, they are not backed by facts and it's pretty much pointless making them. If you want to come up with a legitimate argument about why I am wrong - feel free to do so. I will take your opinion and it will influence how I feel about this current situation. However, simply stating I am wrong because you are the best player in the world , and I should just git gud and that if I don't like the way things are I shouldn't play the game..
those are pathetic, dumb statements that even 2 years old are more intelligent than to make, and they do not take away from the legitimacy of my claims nor do they offer any valid reason as to why the game is broken the way it is, nor do they in any way defend said broken game.
That is all.
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I did like 6 or 7 challenges to at least give it a chance and each time it felt like I should be earning a paycheck, just like the daily's and the end of a grind for all perks on chars. I don't care about the cosmetics, and the janitor or security guard or office secretaries husband they hired to do the voice acting, literally makes me want to reach in my computer with a white hot bobby pin, and slowly melt a hole in my onboard soundcard's processing chip.
That feeling of tediousness and overall burdensome game time is not at all what I'd call fun. If I wanted to mindlessly grind away at a game while screwing over other players, I'd go play WoW.
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I will say this, the tome does seem to promote bad play. I've seen killers ignoring survivors just to chase birds. I've seen survivors ignore all else just to hit chests. Killers will follow one survivor just to break pallets.
It is bad game play all around.
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Op too loud, couldn’t see.
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"They're optional"
And? You know what's not optional? If other players are doing them or other players refuse to let you do them.
"Make a swf then"
Okay. You're now encouraging a swf scenario that will lead to people becoming the dreaded optimized swf or exclusively playing with that group.
"Play something else"
You know people will just leave right? People usually don't have the time for two live services games. So, if they find a new game they like they'll more than likely not come back. The amount of times I've swapped games is high. Hell dbd was me replacing bf1
Note this is semi different than "take a break play civ" because they were saying to take a break not to leave and they'd fix things by the time you come back. Here if they come back and the tome is just as bad if not worse then why would they come back? The reason why they left is still here and growing.
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They’ve definitely negatively impacted the game. Encouraging toxic behavior and everyone acts so serious, it’s rare to get a laid back farming match. I remember getting those so often, both as killer and survivor.
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This is gold #peanits
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I think farming is more common because of this #########
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"Repair 4 gens in one match" is a good example of something that isn't really challenging as it is impossible.
There's a lot of challenges that are just ridiculous and I realize that maybe you ran out of ideas for them but still. I hope everyone who spent money on this learned an important lesson for the next battle pass.
Not everyone plays this game like it's their life, but I suppose those people can just spend money to get all tiers completed :)
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it's one week later. still haven't completed this thing. still joining matches where people healing themselves, 3 claudettes, and everyone has a medpack. still have the same issue. still have the same complaint. still nothing has been done about it. thanks very much. what a joke. what's worse is i have to listen to people whine about their so called hard challenge, one guy even going so far as to demand his whole team doesn't repair generators because he has to repair 4 generators all by himself apparently. If you are reading this, no you do not. no it is not the hardest challenge. all you literally have to do is participate in the repair of generators with your team while wearing a perk.. you don't even need to escape the match. I do not appreciate spending what is now 1 whole month trying to heal people TWICE with a med pack in one trial, just to read your pathetic nonsense.
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NO ONE FORCES YOU TO DO TOMES OR ANY EXTRA STUFF OUTSIDE PLAYING THE GAME. Oh, my caps were on.
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Umm chill, these challenges literally are not hard at all
Literally the hardest challenges are the ones require 3+ basement hooks/kills in a single trial and it's not because hooking survivors in the basement is that hard (with basement perks) it's because salty survivors quit once they realize what you're going for.
On survivor end the EGC challenges can be a little frustrating but none are so absolutely challenging that it's that bad. Healing 2 health states... Really I do that on the regular as survivor. Yes in a single trial. If that is one of the challenges you're struggling with. Then sorry you're just not a very good survivor
I've completed all 4 tomes so I'm not just saying that either.
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What about steam achievements? Did you gave up on them, too? And dailies, too? If killer will use on you Franklin's Demise, you will stop using items? If Plague will make you broken, you will stop using healing perks?
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thank you for your opinion. I do not give a crap about it. Please refer to my previous comment
let me post it again here, since you are obviously too lazy to read it.
I'm done responding to or posting any further comments on this post. Have a great day.
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Just... dont do it, then...
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Honestly I don't care for the plight of survivors. If you consistently have bad teammates then find better teammates. Problem solved. As many SWFs that run in this game, it shouldn't be too hard to find. You say these challenges aren't personal but you saying how you're forced to do it because you paid money betrays your words. So why don't you do yourself a favor and stop complaining about a problem you bought.
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Yeah except I'm not even that good. All you did was whine and winge about how hard the challenges are. Without even stating what was hard about them. All you did was say "OMG I got to do them in a single trial that's absurd!"
You want a response. Run bond, run botany , run well make it and bt. Along with ranger med kit. If you run partner tracking perks there's no reason you can't get two health states healed in a single match.
Safely rescue a survivor during egc, bring BT EVENTUALLY you're gonna get a map where a killer camps for a kill at EGC. Proc your by and body block challenge achieved.
As for blinding twice in a trial literally just run to a strong loop, that the killer is forced to break the pallet, blind them , run to next strong loop throw the pallet repeat, two blinds in one match, easy.
Next time if you want legitimate response you should make legitimate claims, don't just whine and write in all caps as if that makes the statement more valid, it doesnt
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