Hey Devs... Your Survivor bias is showing.
Doctor update: "He's been a polarizing figure since his release, and we felt it was time to revisit his kit with an eye to making it less frustrating to play against him."
"It's the lack of action needed on the part of The Doctor to find nearby Survivors that makes it feel annoying to play against."
"One last thing we've addressed is the frustration of using Snap Out Of It to drop from Madness level III to Madness level II."
Ruin "change":
"We took a close look at the perk to identify what makes it so frustrating to play against."
-Why not look at WHY EVERYONE USES IT INSTEAD?!?!
None of these changes take into consideration how frustrating it is to play as the Doctor or in the case of Ruin, how frustrating it can be to play as killer.
I don't use Ruin or the Doctor so I don't care about these changes.
I do care about how little consideration was given to killers in comparison to survivors.
PS: Where are the audio fixes?
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PS: Where are the audio fixes?
It's not frustrating to play against a killer who can't hear.
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You took my words from my mouth with whole post. Every paragraph of dev notes are heading towards pampering survivors and make killers comfortable rainbow unicorns that will not frustrate survivors. I feel that BHVR devs are playing survivors only and not trying to play killer coz they dont know how hard and stresful it is. Im "frustrated" of gen-rushing, for me is "annoying" to play vs SWFs and Im "frustrated" that 80% of nerfs are headed toward killers. What about killers "frustration"? When I play survivor Im calm, when I play killer Im totaly stressed. It should be to the contrary. I suggest option to refund money for nerfed killers and nerfed perks related to that killers. BHVR will reconsider twice every nerf if they are scared of huge money refunds. I have all killers and now I want my money back for Legion, Nurse and Doctor. Can I have my money back? I bought strong killers with my money not some weak dummies.
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True said something about this in one of his recent videos, something along the lines of:
“if I have to keep playing frustrating games like this I’m just going to stop playing Killer”
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”Killer sounds have been bugged for months now? What is it 2 months already, where are those fixes? But if it was for survivor, they would be fixed immediately.”
If someone could find the video and link it that’d be great.
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Probably hard to do considering how many videos he posts daily... but I do remember him saying those things. Or at least similar things
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"frustration of using Snap Out Of It"
LMAO
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That devs note is pure tragedy. You can translate it as: "Many survivor are finding playing vs Doctor uncomfortable and frustrating so we decided to nerf him and make our precious survivors pampered. And because we did totaly nothing about insane gen-speed, lets nerf only perk that is slowing down gen-rushing and make this perk late game Hex (aka useless). We are planning to make all killers comfortable for survivors as much its possible. We are watching forum for every survivor suggestion that can make killer life harder and trying to implement it asap."
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This. This right here is why I just can't play killer anymore. I am not surprised that these are the reasons they are changing things that affects the killer. I never used ruin but why change something that can easily be destroyed within seconds if the survivors just search.
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He said,that the only reason he still plays killer is cause most survivors aren't the top of the red ranks and are rather bad otherwise he'd quit killer and just play survivor.He also said "Audio issues are still not fixed,but if the killer didn't have a red stain for example it would get fixed instantly" i remember it from a stream a week ago i think
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The stranger things crowd all rage quit over Ruin, apparently.
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Well, on the plus side of things (cuz I always look for the silver lining), killers will have really short matchmaking times from now on.
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PREACH IT, BROTHA!
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Killers find DS, Dead hard and BT annoying to play against when are those getting gutted BHVR? Oh wait I forget killer's don't get privileges.
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we need more logical posts like this.
we need to keep letting them know how we feel.
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Just want to say that stuff like audio changes likely wouldn't be mentioned in the designer notes. This is a bug fix, not really worth mentioning when the main talking points are design changes to the game. Wait for the actual patch notes before you complain about this.
Otherwise I kind of agree. It's a bit unsettling that the devs don't see why Ruin is so necessary especially at high ranks. It's also not that difficult to deal with. Really just continue to work on the gen even if you can't hit great skill checks. If you can hit them then Ruin isn't even an issue. Plus the fact it is a totem and will likely be gone super fast anyway.
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there's no audio changes in the leaked patch notes.
However, they apparently removed player rank from the scoreboard on the tally screen, or, in other words, they finally solved every bad match making issue: you can't complain about low ranks in your game if you can't see their rank 🤯
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Remember you can't get hit by ds and bt can't activate if you just slug them
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That sucks, but it's also PTB. We could still see a fix in the live update potentially.
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it would be worthless, all BHVR devs are survivor mains, they would just escape through the hatch tbagging you in the meanwhile.
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I'm glad someone else noticed it, it felt like everything was purely from a survivors persepctive. Nothing about playing killer or any experiences you have as one were addressed or even mentioned.
But when they think a change like they did to Nurse is "slight" and works well then you really can't hold out any hope they know what they're doing for killers.
It feels like Family Guy writers with Meg. They didn't have any female writers so they couldn't write a young female character and instead turned her into a reptitive joke with no substance. Replace "Meg" with "Killer" and that's basically BHVR right now.
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I agree.
😮
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Seriously, it's disgusting how much they aren't even trying to hide it at this point. Survivor-specific bugs get fixed fast, id est basement bug, but game-breaking bugs for killers will just stay there. The audio issues are game-breaking, but they don't give a #########. And here they are, just obviously showing how little they care about gameplay for killers. Nurse, ruined; Oni, ruined; Ruin, Ruined. They just aren't even addressing why we use Ruin.
They say that the killer doesn't need to do anything with Ruin, and that that was a problem. But what about hatches? Keys? Survs don't do anything for them, why are they still here, then? The bias is obvious.
My desire to play this game just keeps going down, and this right here does not help... at all. This ######### sucks.
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Ruin is used in 80% of games.... 🤔
That seems high.....🤔
Like it’s a symptom of something bigger....🤔
Well if someone is coughing, give them a cough suppressant, right? Never mind the fact that it’s caused by tuberculosis!
Along those lines, make Ruin less useful so it won’t be used as much! That should bring the number back down to normal! Problem solved! No more symptom.
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Survivor match-making times are now consistently 15 minutes+ across all platforms......🤔
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jokes on you, they already have the solution for long survivor match making: just remove rank altogether!
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Dadgum it! You got me there!
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Commenting to keep the this post at the top. I agree, if they did not intend to leave killers feeling like they don't matter then they did a poor job of it.
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Anyone feeling a little Revolutionary as of late?,
On a serious note all jokes aside, This bias is going to gut the game from the inside out, And I think it may be necessary to get that good old Dark times death timer ticking again. Because this right here is pulling a 2016/2017 all over again. gens go too fast therefore Ruin was ran, but without early game impact who's gonna be helped? Trapper, well forget him, he's already bit the dust, Demogorgon has to set up portals just have map pressure. And no Corrupt Intervention will not be a very viable substitute.
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No link needed, I can confirm both quotes. I heard him saying that in his videos.
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Good point
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lol I'm sure he was joking.
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This whole bias thing just absolutely baffles me. I have never seen a company flip the bird to one side of a competition in a game and favor the other in such grandeur.
From what I remember when I first started this game, the whole premise about it was that the killer was the one who was supposed to hold all of the power. The survivors were the weak ones, using what small ability they had to outwit the killer and complete the objectives. People were going to die, sacrifices were probably going to be made, and only the best and most clever (and perhaps lucky) were going to make it out alive.
Sounds like a fun game? Right? Has anyone seen it? From where I sit, survivors dictate both the pace and stress level of the game. They hold all of the cards, and it is up to US, as killers, to play to their strategy instead of them playing against ours. This flips this notion completely on its head.
The only thing I can think of as to why there is bias is because there are a lot more survivors than killer mains. Doing what companies do best, they cater to the majority and ensure their happiness... which in terms equals more dollars for them. What they seem to lack understanding of, is that without a killer, survivors won't be around either. This isn't Generate by Daylight, it's DEAD by Daylight. Unless the generators start taking swings at survivors (which would be a hilarious perk might I add), it's not going to go well for BEhavior. Killers will get frustrated and just give up entirely. Maps are getting larger, aside from the Oni, no recently added killer has been able to rip off great map pressure. Hell, even Oni got an immediate nerf once the survivors started screaming about it.
The bias is BS. Killers NEED to have power... it's what they are supposed to be designed to do.
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Looks like entitle survivors can't say "they favour killers 4head" anymore, because now we have this.
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To be fair, they did also address why people use Ruin in the post. They identified the reason as being to slow down gens in the early game, which they (perhaps wrongly) assumed was to do with wanting to do well in Gatekeeper. Hence the changes to the emblem.
Personally, I think that wanting to make the perk more consistent, less punishing for newer players and less trivial for experienced players is a noble goal, I'm just not sure yet if they went about it the right way. I'm waiting for the PTB to make any final judgements on it, though.
However, as both a survivor main and a Doctor main when I do play killer, I think Snapping Out Of It definitely did not need to be made easier. Those skill checks are the size of Mars.
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At least one good thing has come of this.
The memes have been hilarious.
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Audio fix?
I want my Wraith super-lunge back already! 🤭😥
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Oh yea, there was that lol.
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That's in the leaked patch notes...but audio is equally as important, if not more important.
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They care about the game. I only hope they mean protesting instead of outright breaking the doors down.
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This whole thing is so horrible, it's like they want to blackpill everyone who plays killer
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I bet you Mathieu coyote(yes you're a coyote) can't land them, Pretty good job so far it would seem
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What about the spirit super lunge 🙂💔
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I think doctor is already fine on his own, what the Devs should focus on is very very weak killers like wraith and pig, that no matter how they're reworked it's a buff
While it's true that ruin is slightly overpowered, the new ruin is extremely weak for a hex perk. In case the Devs forgotten, hex effects are powerful as it comes at a cost of being able to be deactivated by survivors. The new ruin effect is pretty weak already, and the fact it is a hex perk worsen it
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Let's make the killer a computed BOT at this point.. No sense to play killer in order to lose miserably against a bunch of noobs which do nothing but press M1 all the time
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Im frustrated after I read this insane dev note.
Doc:
"He's been a polarizing figure since his release, and we felt it was time to revisit his kit with an eye to making it less frustrating to play against him."
"It's the lack of action needed on the part of The Doctor to find nearby Survivors that makes it feel annoying to play against."
"One last thing we've addressed is the frustration of using Snap Out Of It to drop from Madness level III to Madness level II."
Ruin:
"We took a close look at the perk to identify what makes it so frustrating to play against."
Every sentence is one big slap in the face of killer players. What about killers frustration about constant gutting of killers and their perks? Oh I forgot that this game is survivor sided a must be be "balanced" in surv favor to maximalize their comfort when facing killers.
Results: playing survivor is peaceful and calm meanwhile playing killer is stressful like hell. When Im playing killer my real heatbeat is louder then hearbeat of survivors in-game.
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Well at some point u have to say "its to much" and just let it go, even if u paid money at some point its better to quit cuz its the only way they understand their mistakes and belive its better for you. Developers show 0 understanding about whats is going on and it that case better leave them for their fate. Dont make yourself suffer over other ppl mistakes.
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I've been saying pretty much the same thing, why are they treating the symptoms instead of the illness...? It'd be way better for everyone if they did better balancing.
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tjey really dont get it, if it s FRUSTRATING or ANNOYING, means the game is challenging.
what is the point to keep on wasting money on a game that will just bring me frustration when i play killer and resulting otherwise to easy if I play survivor?
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Just because there wasn't something about survivior's getting nerfed in the patch notes doesn't mean they have a bias. Our overlord and saviors at BHVR care about both roles because they both play an important part in how the game functions.
Reading the post made me feel you had a sense of entitlement.
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But its too late. I have bought all killers with real money and devs are constantly undermining killers and their perks. I would like to get my money back that I have spent on killers. I bought some product with some quality and developers lowered that quality so I deserve to get back my money. I think that it will solve this ridiculous nerfing coz devs will have to think twice before they release such nerfing patches with fear of refunds.
I would like to ask devs to play for example 20 games for killers in red ranks and try how hard is playing vs gen-rushing SWFs without any early slowing down perks. Would like to see video of their success. Maybe you will open your eyes finaly and stop beeing so survivor oriented.
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totally agreed.
I dont hide the fact that I am addicted to this game.
But this news totally downed me.
I see the potential disaster coming making the game unplayable and not worth going on, probably will remain just some toxic surv or try hard guys in swf mode and in few months there will be no more killer base and the game will totally collapse.
On my side I decided to suddenly stop every purchase I planned to do.
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entitelment about what? I play much more as survivor than killer, but why I should be happy about a change that will make the game unchallenging? How much fun can be completing gens in 3 mins and run out before even getting chased?
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