Are survivors just going to ignore this?
As a ######### survivor main, the new Ruin has me rather concerned. I mean, are we just going to ignore the fact that the new Ruin is gonna allow killers like Hag and Doc to 3gen even harder? Because I can see the number of 3genners rising, if not because Ruin allows it to be ridiculously strong, then simply out of spite against the Devs, which they then externalize via ruining all of the survivors' fun.
Like, just think about every 3gen situation you've won, and try to imagine winning it if the generator regression speed was twice as fast. If that doesn't send a chill down your spine, then maybe you haven't actually won any 3gen games, and I can't blame you for it.
Also, Devs, your clear survivor bias was obvious as ḿerde in the dev blog post, and the fact you even thought it was ok to hide the ranks at the endgame really does show just in how much of an ass direction this game is going. I don't like being treated like someone who still needs to suck on my mom's voluptuous tatta, even if most people who main the same side as I do still need to do that. Maybe it would be better to force them to let go of it instead of pandering to them, food for thought. Even though they can't eat yet becau- you get what I meant.
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Don't worry survivor playerbase keep downing with these changes.
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I don’t understand what the issue is.
You can still cleanse Ruin and stop the regression effect. The key to getting out of a 3-gen situation is to start other gens and bait the killer. They can’t go to alll 3 gens at once.
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Ranks aren't going away in the end game summary. That change didn't go in.
Also... The 3 gen isn't a big deal cause.... You still may want to get the totem as a survivor, but you don't need to spend the first few minutes of a match looking for it, you can go out looking for it later.
Plus... If Ruin is still active, the killer won't be able to use PGTW, or Overcharge. So if the killer brought in those perks too... They are wasted slots until the survivors decide to take the totem out.
So if the survivors then do take the totem out. Then we are back to square one, just like it is now.
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dude, chill.
the devs thought of that.
its a hex perk after all.
thats literally the reason why they made the perk basically useless in 99.5% of the games, because its good for 3 gen scenarios (which are usually the survivors fault anyway, but we cant punish them for that), so they made it a hex that gets killed before they even pop 2 gens anyway.
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Woah, its almost like the improved regression allows you to camp the totem and the 3 gens closest to it, which makes it so you caaaaan't really cleanse it, isn't it?
Also, Bean, from what I've seen you type you're not really the brightest of the bunch, so I'ma be extra clear here. I know they didn't go ahead with it, the issue I have is that they even thought it was an option in the first place. The fact the devs thought it would be ok to blindfold us instead of fixing an issue clearly shows how they don't really care about fixing the bugs in the game. Was I more clear? With people like you, I never know.
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3 gen is easy to avoid if you locate them on the map and go after them first. 3 gen is a very good strategy for killers, and the new ruin will help build the strength to that strategy. But it's still easily countered. If your this concerned over it, then get yourself into the habit of finding the 3 gens first and taking out one or two fairly early.
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Well, that clearly just ignores the fact that there are killers who commit themselves to that strategy from the start of that game, which were who I was talking about in the first place, but I guess it just went over the head of all of these gamers. Can't say I'm surprised though.
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yeah just camp 3 gens and a totem at the same time as you chase and hook the survivors who, if they have a brain, will run to the other side of the map to prevent you from doing exactly that.
why didnt i ever think of that...?
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I really hope you are being ironic there
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You forget there's four survivors and 1 killer, working as a team at the beginning to knock out these gens is still possible. And still very effective. I use the 3 gen strategy as doc a lot, sometimes I get lucky and sometimes the survivors get the best of me and I lose one or more of my gens. It is possible if you try. This is not an op strategy. Like I said before if you are so concerned about it, just make it your top priority in your games.
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And why is that? BHVR making a perk that outright encourages 3genning isn't a cause for concern to you? It is for me, I mean, the last time I checked most people didn't enjoy going against hostage killers.
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Have you thought of cleansing a hex totem?
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okay, but when i dont hook anyone i will still lose.
and if they dont do that for extended periodes of time (while still making it impossible for you to progress), its reportable :o
nevertheless, it is still YOUR fault, as the survivor, that you even got 3 genned in the first place, mate.
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3 genning punishes survivors that dont plan the gens they pop. BHVR encouraging punishment for unplanned actions is GOOD
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Lad, I know full well that 95%+ of killer strategies aren't even close to OP, and please point to the exact point where I called 3genning an OP strategy. After you try to do that and fail, then you can point me to survivor players who actually have fun playing against a hostage killer, and maybe then you'll have an epiphany and realize what my issue actually is!
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It's up to you and your team to not be in that situation, and with new ruin it has never been easier. What do you want next? For the killer to be immobilised for the first 3 minutes?
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Have you ever thought of like, reading some replies? Quick suggestion, before you post something dumb like that, maybe scroll down and see if the OP already debunked the dumb ######### you're about to say, xoxo.
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Killers can't 3-gen survivors, unless they forfeit a bunch of hook states, at which point they can't win even in a 3 gen scenario.
Only survivors can 3 gen themselves and it's completely up to them to avoid it.
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Woah bros, I thought I already explained earlier that killers can set up a 3gen from the start of the game, and that whether survivors get 3genned is sometimes out of their controoool. But apparantely killers can't camp gens from the start of the game, I probably missed that reeeeeeally obvious detail, right?
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I don't see your issue because 3 gen strategy with new ruin is not going to be an overwhelming problem. To me it seems you are just complaining to complain. I still see no problem with this strategy and the added effect of new ruin. So why don't you try to explain your problem without complaining and maybe someone could understand the issue you seem to be having with it.
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Alright cutie, I'll explain it right now just for you. Hostage killers are aaaass to go against. It's boring as hell, there's barely any interaction between the killer and the survivors, there's no chases, there's nothing of what makes DbD fun. Is it OP? Eh, in veeeery specific situations, yes. And Ruin just made the amount of those specific situations bigger. But hey, better than the previous Ruin, because at least now, baby Megs can finally hit their skillchecks <3
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If a killer camps 3 gens the whole match, he will have no hooks until 4 gens are left. By that time, a person that simply throws pallets early and wastes resources will create enough time for the 3 remaining to work on a gen each, but yes right survivor is really hard to play lol
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Well that is mean. Not a good way to get your point across.
But uh.... Let me thinkums.
How would it be any different from a Doc with Unnerving Presence, Overcharge and PGTW and getting a 3 Gen?
Have you measured how much of a difference 2x regression goes on 3 gens compared to a Doc doing the same with the 3 other perks?
Explain to me how that match... Would be any different from the match you described?
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Wozzers... It would be the same... The survivors screwed themselves cause they didn't spread the gens apart.
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You don't have to big brain think it.. As their is already a solution to your concern. Which, as a survivor, don't 3 gen yourself.
Big Brain Survivor Plays
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First thing real quick, where did I say Survivor is hard? One of the lines in my original post was "I don't like being treated like someone who still needs to suck on my mom's voluptuous tatta", which implies that I think survivors are pandered to. Secondly, 3genning isn't really that powerful, and I never said it was. It's pure ass to go against, it's boring, and none of the survivors have fun. Thirdly, if the killer is 3 genning, they won't commit to a chase that leads them away from the gens, you Clown.
(get it, clown? haha)
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when a killer only defends 3 gens, why didnt you pressure them earlier?
a 3 gen is usually not that good, all you need to do is have one survivor on each gen and the killer is screwed - thats easily doable when he has been ignoring you all game / you do it early on.
and when the killer gets to your gen? run towards the other side of the map - he follows you? the others get the gens done. he doesnt? go back to your gen asap.
the killer can not pressure all 3 gens at once, he is going to lose one at some point.
and if he isnt chasing you or hooking anyone, he lost the game.
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I think the point everyone is making is that if a killer is in a chase you can jump on the totem and pop it. If you managed to 3 gen yourself then yeah it's a rough scenario, but you did it to yourself. No need to be toxic mate people are just responding as best they can. I myself don't really see the issue. Your statement targets .001% of the people who play killer. I've never seen it myself and I've got over 1000 hours
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Ok cutie, you clearly haven't gone against a hostage killer if you think that 3genning only happens if the survivors don't spread their gens out. And secondly, the new Ruin actually encourages that kind of gameplay, which is my entire issue with it.
And well, I didnt really think you deserved anymore than snarky sarcasm from what I've seen you post, but I gotta be nicer to you or I'll be banned, so kisskiss <3
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Just went against a 4-man without ruin and honestly the devs have literally ruined ruin. As I'm chasing one person, not even 5 minutes and 3 gens have already been done... idk if gen speeds are a problem or I'm just not chasing well but all I know is that I was incredibly angry after the match I refused to say gg as it is frustrating to go against a toxic swf. I even turned off the chat as I couldn't stand what toxic comments they had to say at the end, like "gg ez baby killer" and all that [BAD WORD]. I'm a solo player and I play both sides btw, so I know how annoying it is from the survivor and killer perspective.
P.S, this is exactly the reason why the old ruin was much stronger than the new ruin.
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Yeah but them not commiting to a chase means survivors just go back to the gens once the killer goes to another gen (because remember, 1 person on each gen)
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I now realize I should've been clear about it, but I mainly meant Doctor and Hag, which are the biggest arseholes when it comes to hostage situations. If either of those killers decide to 3gen you from the start of the game near their Ruin totem, you may win, depending on the map, the gen spawnns, the pallet spawns, your teamates, whatever, but that does not change the fact everyone is going to be bored out of their MINDS until they get one gen done.
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If you are working on the gens the killer is guarding you will definitely interact with the killer... A lot in fact and they constantly patrol and push you off the 3 gens. I find that very fun and entertaining. You are the one who chooses to avoid the three gens and make your game boring.
Plus I have not once talked down to you, misgendered you (lad) or call you names such as (cutie). I am merely sharing my opinion. And you still are putting down other players (baby Meg's).
And since you have still been unable to produce anything more than a simple issue you have, that's not really a big issue at all. Just get in there and attack those gens first, run around with the killer protecting them. Have FUN and don't stress over something that can easily be countered.
Never be afraid to try a new approach to a situation you are having trouble with. Doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results is insane. No wonder your so upset over it.
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Ok babe, I know you think you've cracked the code here, but you really haven't. I consider myself a pretty smart person, and so I wouldn't complain about 3genning myself. I will, however, complain about those Docs and Hags who are arseholes and decide to protect 3 generators like their genitals depended on it, and make the game a slog to get through, even if you win. With those killers, it doesn't matter if you try not to 3gen yourself, because they've already been 3genning you from the start. So please, before you start ######### talking me over "begginer survivor plays", maybe try to understand what I'm actually talking about. <3 Ly
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The Doctor killer itself... That whole character encourages that play.
I have been on both side of that coin. It really all boils down to a key word you said...
"hostage".... which is part of "taking a match hostage"
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Eventually the killer has to make a play. They can't just sit there no matter how much they want to... sit there for 30 minutes defending those gens. They can... But eventually, a survivor could start recording the match, and report the killer for taking the match hostage.
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There isn't anything wrong with a 3 gen hostage match.. but the killer has to make a move eventually if the survivors are trying to bait them away. I know it is a hot debated subject in that the killer is just trying to win, doing their objective.... but if the killer won't get off those gens to start ending the match, then they can be seen as taking the match hostage. There is limits to a 3 gen hostage match.
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I already admitted to presenting my point poorly before, my og post was supposed to be both kinda sarcastic and an actual complaint, and so I should've specified hostage doctors and hags. If they don't commit to a chase and go back to the gens, guess what. You walk back to the gen you were on and bam, you're actually in tier 3 and can't do the gen or bam, a hag trap pops off again and now you get hit and either go down or go away to heal. That, my friend, is what I'm complaining about. <3
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I personally don't really think those killers want to win. I've talked to a couple of them on Discord and they made it really clear that their sole objective is to ruin the fun for everyone else, either out of spite or sadism.
Also yeah, I do hope players like that get banned, they just make the game unfun for everyone and mostly act high and mighty about it, I'm just annoyed that the new ruin change encourages more people to play like this.
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I'm not even gonna try to debunk all the dumb merde you've just said, I'll just tell you to read my other replies because I've already debunked all of those talking points when talking to other people who are, frankly, better at reading than you.
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I find hostage games boring, after 1.3k hours of mostly survivor I've just gotten bored of M1 holding and only have fun with chases. But the thing with hostage killers is that they dont chase, they just keep going back to their wank-zone. And now that I can't DC (not that I did it before, I hate DCing pussies), the games go on for ages before I either die or the gens get done and I can finally move on to another match. It's a waste of time.
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Woah, you're still talking about survivors 3genning themselves? I thought I already said I wasn't talking about that, but I guess I was right about the fact you can't read!
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Also, about you not talking down to me, I'm sorry, I just don't care enough about the game to not be a ######### while playing it or to it's players, I saw Meg being an ass earlier on another thread so I had to take a dig at them, that's just how it be chief.
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Maybe because then you wouldn't make comments like your previous ones, where you claim I'm talking about something I already said I'm not talking about multiple times? I frankly think that, if you're not mature enough to do that, you're just wasting your time here.
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A 3 gen is usually about 40 meters in lenght, so while you are keeping the doctor busy people can do the opposite gens, and hag's traps can be destroyed and avoided
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You missed the entire point.
Of course I realize there are instances which a killer can legit start a 3-gen strat. However, if the survivors work as a team, then one could cleanse ruin while the rest try to bait the killer on a gen.
The killer can only apply so much pressure of survivors are not together.
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Then why are you still commenting on this thread? You've said nothing productive chief.
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Just learn how to do gens and not let yourself be 3 gend
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I read your post, to which I'm replying. Since it seems you have difficulty understanding that ruin is a hex perk. So I"m not the one saying "dumb #########", am I?
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You're debunking the point I literally never made. I never said it was uncounterable, I just said that it's a boring timewaste that the new Ruin encourages.
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Firstly, I'm a mainly solo player, and you can't have that kind of coordenation in Solo games. Secondly, a Doctor can pretty well keep most of you in tier 3, which forces you to waste a lot of time each snapping out, and a Hag can replace her traps fast as #########, which just keeps the game going forever. I never said you couldn't counter, I said I'd rather kick a wall made of Legos than do it, because it's just that boring.
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The new Ruin gives hostage killers enough regression that they can't camp both the totem and the 3 closest gens pretty well, mainly if they're Doc or Hag, the best hostage players.
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you're just the noisiest little bugger here ain'tcha?
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You can do this cool thing called spacing gens and actually think about what gens you do instead of mindlessly doing every single gen you see. Or you could just cleanse it, takes 12 seconds and totem spawns are terrible so it shouldn't be hard to find. 99% of the time Ruin won't even survive long enough for a 3 gen strategy. In order for this to happen:
Play a high mobility killer like Billy, who already doesn't need Ruin, or Doc who loses his passive Madness gain, meaning he will only find you every 60 seconds if relying on Static Blast alone.
Survivors need to 3 gen themselves, which most will avoid.
Be on a small map like The Game. Any large map the gens are too spread out, meaning around 75% of the maps are not viable for this strategy.
Ruin needs to survive until endgame, meaning survivors have to either ignore Ruin altogether, are bad at finding totems, or you got blessed with an amazing totem spawn.
Just don't 3 gen yourself or cleanse the totem. It's not that hard to avoid.
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