Keys, Moris,you know the drill
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You show too much sense.
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It absolutely is unreasonable. You're more or less choosing to ignore the data that can be easily obtained yourself in order to stand on your pseudo soap box. I can fully back you up that he's handling himself the wrong way, but you're on no intellectual high ground here. You're literally just as bad. The argument your making goes against what red rank survivors see.
He's right in that if a mori offering or two every 10-20 games is "too much", then it sounds like a personal problem.
I'm not siding with you. I merely have the same experience. As do most survivors at red ranks.
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fair enough I suppose
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You're more or less choosing to ignore the data that can be easily obtained yourself
What you are describing right here is straight-up a logical fallacy known as "shifting the burden of proof," where the person making a claim (I should clarify that you are not the person in question) is trying to move the burden of providing evidence to the person asking for said claim to be supported rather than the person making the claim in the first place.
I am not taking a stance on whether or not Moris are too common or not (particularly at higher ranks), as I do not even have enough personal experience as a Survivor to make such a stance.
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That would be valid - if - the data wasn't readily available to you. Which it is.
And you did take a stance on it. You said, in your own words "I think they are too common"; now you're saying you don't have a stance, and even emphasized that at high ranks, you don't know. This leads me to believe that through his..."words", he may have been right in that you don't actually know what you're talking about when it comes to red rank game play in survivor. So maybe this is a debate you shouldn't have gotten into if you don't have the experience to back it up. How can you think they are too common, and then admit to not having experience? You threw the debate right there, man.
You can only use the "burden of proof" shtick when you actually have conflicting experience to disagree with it. Since you admittedly don't have that experience, you have no right to be calling him out on it. No matter how flawed his argumentative and obviously biased standpoint was.
Have a good one, dude
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That would be valid - if - the data wasn't readily available to you. Which it is.
That's...not how it works. The purpose of the concept of burden of proof is that it lies on the person making the claim to demonstrate their point and not on other people to disprove it.
And you did take a stance on it. You said, in your own words "I think they are too common"
Pardon me? I just CTRL+F'd this exact phrase, and nowhere does it show up on any of the posts I have made on this thread.
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OOF. You can bet he's writing a big TL;DR to comeback to that one.
But yeah, if you admit to not having the experience, you really have no right to contest someone who does.
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You may be right, there. I may have misread. In any case - admitting to not having experience, you don't get to demand proof from anyone on something you have no ground to speak on. So just chill, man.
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The whole point of "burden of proof" is that someone is not obligated to provide evidence proving that a claim made by someone else is false (unless the first someone is actively claiming that it is false, then the burden is indeed on them to demonstrate that). The whole point is that someone making a claim needs to demonstrate that the claim they are making is true for such a claim to be reasonably accepted. Not doing so does not make their claim wrong, merely unsubstantiated.
Personal experience falls under another logical fallacy known as "anecdotal evidence." That by itself does not necessarily make a claim true because it is entirely possible that someone else may have personal experiences that contradict said anecdotal evidence.
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Again - without the experience, which you freely admit, you are in no position to be in opposition of anything. So, just chill man. Take a knee.
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I am asking that the person shows stuff to support their claim. It does not make sense to say that someone can't do such a thing if they don't have a similar level of experience. If a seasoned sailor says "I've found the Loch Ness Monster", and random yacht owner says "Show us the evidence that this is true," is the yacht owner not in a position to say such a thing because they do not have the experience of the seasoned sailor to make their own judgement call?
Me not being in a position to offer my own belief on the frequency of Moris in high ranks does not make the claim that the other person is making on the matter not unsubstantiated. It is completely within reason to question the validity of the claim if there is nothing shown to actually support it, regardless of how much experience I may have. Again, it is not declaring that the claim is WRONG. Just that the claim has not been backed up by evidence.
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Like an energizer battery, this guy. Dude, you need to pipe down and realize when you backed yourself into a corner. You admit to having inadequate experience in that which you are arguing. That's really where your high ground ends. With a big steep cliff edge.
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I wouldn't put it exactly like that, but yeah. Pretty much. Just go on about your day, he threw the debate. Also, be less aggressive. It didn't make you look any better.
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You confused lol with dbd. We have killers not champions :3
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Arguing what, though? Not that you are wrong. Only that you haven't put forth evidence to your claim. Something that you yourself have actually agreed with because you are saying that you do not have to bring forth proof because what you are saying is just based on personal experience.
Am I wrong in claiming that the other person has not put forth evidence in substantiating their claim? I should point out that I am not saying whether this person is right or wrong. Only pointing out that they have not put forth any evidence to support their argument (what they HAVE said is something to the lines of "this is based on my personal experiences," which itself is its own form of logical fallacy).
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Close enough. 😎
I left League a few months ago, so I may mistake a few things as champions.
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Ok both of you stop. You are literally ruining everything with your argument. Imo u agree with @The_Second_Coming
As a purple rank killer,I rarely ever use a Mori,more often I use them for the dailies. They are not that common to use. Now both stop arguing. If you want to,then direct message each other in a private chat
Thank you.
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I mean, if you want to believe the other person, go right ahead. I cannot say for myself whether they are right or wrong.
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Yeah but you guys literally ruin the point of this forum
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Made this a long time ago.
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I don't think keys are all that unbalanced or that they should even be compared to moris. For moris all you have to do is hook survivors once to win but for keys for even 2 people to escape you have to complete 3 gens , have 2 teammates die, then you have to search the map for your escape and the more people you want to escape the harder it is.
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It severely bothers me that you don't put a space after a comma
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Dyslexia,don't judge m8
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