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Lets Talk about Leather Face

feffrey
feffrey Member Posts: 886
edited August 2018 in General Discussions
Lets talk about Leather Face and why are their two killers with the same ability . HillBilly is far superior with his chainsaw but they both require almost no skill to use.
     So why are there two killers with the same ability to begin with why was Leather Face brought into the game?  Not complaining or anything just curious .
    Do you think the instant down is fair or should be reworked into giving the hit survivor server bleeding and prevent them from being healed for 30 secounds. I mean I like this more honestly they're more then likely to lead you to other survivors this way.

Are we more likely to see more killers with the same ability this coming up season ?


Leather Face does have some great perks probably the only reason to even play him is for Franklin Demise

Comments

  • Master
    Master Member Posts: 10,200

    @feffrey said:
    Lets talk about Leather Face and why are their two killers with the same ability . HillBilly is far superior with his chainsaw but they both require almost no skill to use.
         So why are there two killers with the same ability to begin with why was Leather Face brought into the game?  Not complaining or anything just curious .
        Do you think the instant down is fair or should be reworked into giving the hit survivor server bleeding and prevent them from being healed for 30 secounds. I mean I like this more honestly they're more then likely to lead you to other survivors this way.

    Are we more likely to see more killers with the same ability this coming up season ?

    Leather Face does have some great perks probably the only reason to even play him is for Franklin Demise

    Billy and leatherface ability are not the same #########

    And no, leatherface is pretty weak already, no need to nerf him any further and make him freddy 2.0

  • Master
    Master Member Posts: 10,200

    @Shipthebread said:

    @feffrey said:
    Lets talk about Leather Face and why are their two killers with the same ability . HillBilly is far superior with his chainsaw but they both require almost no skill to use.

    Stopped reading here, OP is a salty survivor clearly.

    Wow, I am actually already so used reading ######### like this that my brain automatically filtered the "no skill" out :lol:

  • feffrey
    feffrey Member Posts: 886
    Not really Salty and to further proce my point as you said Im a survivor main.
     I  bought Leather Face played him and killed everyone with no effort and it didn't help that Gens were close to each other
      
  • Sandt21
    Sandt21 Member Posts: 761
    Leatherface is easily the best defensive killer in the game, hands down
  • AshleyWB
    AshleyWB Member Posts: 4,061
    Leatherfaces chili add ons dont even work he needs a hug to be able to keep up even then it's pretty rough.
  • Killigma
    Killigma Member Posts: 372

    @Master said:

    @Shipthebread said:

    @feffrey said:
    Lets talk about Leather Face and why are their two killers with the same ability . HillBilly is far superior with his chainsaw but they both require almost no skill to use.

    Stopped reading here, OP is a salty survivor clearly.

    Wow, I am actually already so used reading ######### like this that my brain automatically filtered the "no skill" out :lol:

    You have just made me aware that this happens to me as well...

  • PinkEricka
    PinkEricka Member Posts: 1,042
    HillBilly is not superior, Leatherface is. HillBilly can only chainsaw one survivor while Leatherface can chainsaw multiple survivors at once. 

    They both have their ups and downs. I personally think instadowns are fine. I mean, we survivors have insta-heal so it’s fair.

    However, I don’t think there are going to be any more killers with chainsaws. 
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  • ShrimpTwiggs
    ShrimpTwiggs Member Posts: 1,181

    Despite both having a chainsaw, they play very differently. Hillbilly is far superior, due his ability to apply map pressure, but Leatherface is more powerful in camping. If he's in the open, like the cornfield in coldwind, Leatherface can nullify juking with his chainsaw while Billy's can be dodged way easier. As for the insta-down, I don't think it needs to be tweaked. The only time Leatherface's ability is dangerous is if you let him get too close or if you didn't run anywhere with trees or debris and Billy's chainsaw can be dodged relatively easily unless he's right behind you. Besides, killers are already on a time crunch, so Billy and Leatherface kind of need the insta-down.

  • Vortexas
    Vortexas Member Posts: 757

    STOP THE PRESSES A SURVIVOR SAYS A KILLER(S) TAKE NO SKILL!

    Because the sign of true skill is running in circles.

  • AshleyWB
    AshleyWB Member Posts: 4,061
    @PinkEricka Hillbilly is way stronger than leatherdaddy. I would have thought that was undisputed. 
  • Shipthebread
    Shipthebread Member Posts: 415

    @feffrey said:
    Not really Salty and to further proce my point as you said Im a survivor main.
     I  bought Leather Face played him and killed everyone with no effort and it didn't help that Gens were close to each other
      

    Cool story, I also kill everyone at rank 20. You want a ribbon?

  • Master
    Master Member Posts: 10,200

    @PinkEricka said:
    HillBilly is not superior, Leatherface is. HillBilly can only chainsaw one survivor while Leatherface can chainsaw multiple survivors at once. 

    They both have their ups and downs. I personally think instadowns are fine. I mean, we survivors have insta-heal so it’s fair.

    However, I don’t think there are going to be any more killers with chainsaws. 

    Not sure whether to laugh or cry

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  • Shipthebread
    Shipthebread Member Posts: 415

    @ZombieGenesis said:
    I want to see a killer with two chainsaws, one in each hand. Maybe a third on a chain around his waist that he can whirl around like a hoola hoop.

    The Juggler, he has 3 chainsaws being juggled, his power is trowing it at the survivors!

  • PinkEricka
    PinkEricka Member Posts: 1,042
    AshleyWB said:
    @PinkEricka Hillbilly is way stronger than leatherdaddy. I would have thought that was undisputed. 
    I guess it’s purely preference? I always thought LF was stronger because he can down many survivors at once.
  • Shipthebread
    Shipthebread Member Posts: 415

    @Master said:

    @PinkEricka said:
    HillBilly is not superior, Leatherface is. HillBilly can only chainsaw one survivor while Leatherface can chainsaw multiple survivors at once. 

    They both have their ups and downs. I personally think instadowns are fine. I mean, we survivors have insta-heal so it’s fair.

    However, I don’t think there are going to be any more killers with chainsaws. 

    Not sure whether to laugh or cry

    She is another salty survivor main, I forget the thread she made but it was more ridiculous than this one.

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  • Shipthebread
    Shipthebread Member Posts: 415

    @PinkEricka said:
    AshleyWB said:

    @PinkEricka Hillbilly is way stronger than leatherdaddy. I would have thought that was undisputed. 

    I guess it’s purely preference? I always thought LF was stronger because he can down many survivors at once.

    Why you are hanging out with other survivors is beyond me.

  • PinkEricka
    PinkEricka Member Posts: 1,042

    @Master said:

    @PinkEricka said:
    HillBilly is not superior, Leatherface is. HillBilly can only chainsaw one survivor while Leatherface can chainsaw multiple survivors at once. 

    They both have their ups and downs. I personally think instadowns are fine. I mean, we survivors have insta-heal so it’s fair.

    However, I don’t think there are going to be any more killers with chainsaws. 

    Not sure whether to laugh or cry

    She is another salty survivor main, I forget the thread she made but it was more ridiculous than this one.

    I like how you’re deliberately holding a thread that got deleted a long time ago against me.

    Do you not have anything better to do with your life? All I did was state what I thought which turned out to be wrong and all of a sudden I’m “salty”?

     I’m not here giving out hostility on this thread like everyone else is. You must not have many friends or a proper life if you have to dig things up to bring someone down. You’re childish trash, remember that.
  • Shipthebread
    Shipthebread Member Posts: 415

    @PinkEricka said:
    Shipthebread said:

    @Master said:

     @PinkEricka said:
    

    HillBilly is not superior, Leatherface is. HillBilly can only chainsaw one survivor while Leatherface can chainsaw multiple survivors at once. 

    They both have their ups and downs. I personally think instadowns are fine. I mean, we survivors have insta-heal so it’s fair.

    However, I don’t think there are going to be any more killers with chainsaws. 

    Not sure whether to laugh or cry

    She is another salty survivor main, I forget the thread she made but it was more ridiculous than this one.

    I like how you’re deliberately holding a thread that got deleted a long time ago against me.

    Do you not have anything better to do with your life? All I did was state what I thought which turned out to be wrong and all of a sudden I’m “salty”?

     I’m not here giving out hostility on this thread like everyone else is. You must not have many friends or a proper life if you have to dig things up to bring someone down. You’re childish trash, remember that.

    I didn't dig anything up, that thread must have been something special since I will forever associate your name with that thread. I don't even remember what it was, but I did meme it later and you got equally as butt hurt about that as you are in your last post.

  • samirk98
    samirk98 Member Posts: 167

    @Shipthebread said:

    @feffrey said:
    Lets talk about Leather Face and why are their two killers with the same ability . HillBilly is far superior with his chainsaw but they both require almost no skill to use.

    Stopped reading here, OP is a salty survivor clearly.

    he's right tho. any braindead person can play with cannibal no skill only for camping ez and hillbilly needs some practice but NOT THAT HARD

  • Shipthebread
    Shipthebread Member Posts: 415

    @samirk98 said:

    @Shipthebread said:

    @feffrey said:
    Lets talk about Leather Face and why are their two killers with the same ability . HillBilly is far superior with his chainsaw but they both require almost no skill to use.

    Stopped reading here, OP is a salty survivor clearly.

    he's right tho. any braindead person can play with cannibal no skill only for camping ez and hillbilly needs some practice but NOT THAT HARD

    Sure, I can play with any killer it's not hard at all. Will I be good? no, but I can play.

    That's not a hard point to make.

  • feffrey
    feffrey Member Posts: 886
    I respect HillBilly way more than Leather Face because Billy has that huge Lunge attack with a speed boost
    Leather Face is a bit slower and encourage camping but not all of them camp but they stay very close to the hooked survivor so they can down Multiple people and his chainsaw can negate BT if I'm not mistaken 
  • samirk98
    samirk98 Member Posts: 167

    @Shipthebread said:

    @samirk98 said:

    @Shipthebread said:

    @feffrey said:
    Lets talk about Leather Face and why are their two killers with the same ability . HillBilly is far superior with his chainsaw but they both require almost no skill to use.

    Stopped reading here, OP is a salty survivor clearly.

    he's right tho. any braindead person can play with cannibal no skill only for camping ez and hillbilly needs some practice but NOT THAT HARD

    Sure, I can play with any killer it's not hard at all. Will I be good? no, but I can play.

    That's not a hard point to make.

    well i didn't get your point but nvm

  • samirk98
    samirk98 Member Posts: 167

    @feffrey said:
    I respect HillBilly way more than Leather Face because Billy has that huge Lunge attack with a speed boost
    Leather Face is a bit slower and encourage camping but not all of them camp but they stay very close to the hooked survivor so they can down Multiple people and his chainsaw can negate BT if I'm not mistaken 

    i can juke leatherface 90 % he is trash only need for camping and i think he should get removed from game and replace with some decent skill required killer

  • feffrey
    feffrey Member Posts: 886
    edited August 2018
    I have never needed to juke a Leather Face because more then likely only one person will see him in the match...
    Not complaining though but Billy encorages players to chase and put pressure on survivors due to his lexability . 
    He can be hard to Juke sometime

    But we do not need two chainsaws in the game especially one that can hit multiple people at once and hit the same person more than once by holding only one button
  • PinkEricka
    PinkEricka Member Posts: 1,042

    @PinkEricka said:
    Shipthebread said:

    @Master said:

     @PinkEricka said:
    

    HillBilly is not superior, Leatherface is. HillBilly can only chainsaw one survivor while Leatherface can chainsaw multiple survivors at once. 

    They both have their ups and downs. I personally think instadowns are fine. I mean, we survivors have insta-heal so it’s fair.

    However, I don’t think there are going to be any more killers with chainsaws. 

    Not sure whether to laugh or cry

    She is another salty survivor main, I forget the thread she made but it was more ridiculous than this one.

    I like how you’re deliberately holding a thread that got deleted a long time ago against me.

    Do you not have anything better to do with your life? All I did was state what I thought which turned out to be wrong and all of a sudden I’m “salty”?

     I’m not here giving out hostility on this thread like everyone else is. You must not have many friends or a proper life if you have to dig things up to bring someone down. You’re childish trash, remember that.

    I didn't dig anything up, that thread must have been something special since I will forever associate your name with that thread. I don't even remember what it was, but I did meme it later and you got equally as butt hurt about that as you are in your last post.

    I didn’t get “butthurt”, I found it childish. No one here was even talking about it but somehow, you decide to go out of your way and be immature to bring it up because I thought wrong on a topic that far had anything to do with the deleted thread I posted a long time ago. Have you even seen my last post? lmao. No complaining or hostility there. 
  • samirk98
    samirk98 Member Posts: 167

    @feffrey said:
    I have never needed to juke a Leather Face because more then likely only one person will see him in the match...
    Not complaining though but Billy encorages players to chase and put pressure on survivors due to his lexability . 
    He can be hard to Juke sometime

    But we do not need two chainsaws in the game especially one that can hit multiple people at once and hit the same person more than once by holding only one button

    yeah i got your point played on high rank every cannibal basement camping (just watched how my team got caught stupidly)

  • yeet
    yeet Member Posts: 1,832
    I just wish the devs would tone down hillbillys 360 steering just a bit
    No, that would drastically lower his skill ceiling 
    hillbilly doesn't need nerfs 
  • MegaWaffle
    MegaWaffle Member Posts: 4,172

    @feffrey said:
    Lets talk about Leather Face and why are their two killers with the same ability . HillBilly is far superior with his chainsaw but they both require almost no skill to use.
         So why are there two killers with the same ability to begin with why was Leather Face brought into the game?  Not complaining or anything just curious .
        Do you think the instant down is fair or should be reworked into giving the hit survivor server bleeding and prevent them from being healed for 30 secounds. I mean I like this more honestly they're more then likely to lead you to other survivors this way.

    Are we more likely to see more killers with the same ability this coming up season ?

    Leather Face does have some great perks probably the only reason to even play him is for Franklin Demise

    The original concept for Hillbilly was inspired by Leather Face and was created way before the game was an established title. Once the game garnered attention and popularity they were able to work out deals for licensed Killers. One of these killers was Leather Face.

    That is the reason the ability is somewhat similar although both adhere to different playstyles. They hadn't planned on the possibility of adding licensed Killers in the beginning (or at least aside from hopeful dreams) and did their best to stay true to the character themselves and create a distinguished power.

  • feffrey
    feffrey Member Posts: 886
      Out of every game I have played I have never seen a good Leather Face I rather remove him from the game honestly his perks are great I like them
    His playstyle though doesn't teach or motivate a player to search out other survivors and he more then likely knows everyone knows how to counter BBQ and chilli 
    If his Chainsaw didn't instant down players I think it would benefit him more to have to hunt down others

    Even in his moves he didn't sit in one place he hunted and chased them all down
  • Unit
    Unit Member Posts: 190
    feffrey said:
      Out of every game I have played I have never seen a good Leather Face I rather remove him from the game honestly his perks are great I like them
    His playstyle though doesn't teach or motivate a player to search out other survivors and he more then likely knows everyone knows how to counter BBQ and chilli 
    If his Chainsaw didn't instant down players I think it would benefit him more to have to hunt down others

    Even in his moves he didn't sit in one place he hunted and chased them all down
    What you got against Leatherface man I main him he's the only killer I enjoy that isn't high teir
  • feffrey
    feffrey Member Posts: 886
    Unit said:
    feffrey said:
      Out of every game I have played I have never seen a good Leather Face I rather remove him from the game honestly his perks are great I like them
    His playstyle though doesn't teach or motivate a player to search out other survivors and he more then likely knows everyone knows how to counter BBQ and chilli 
    If his Chainsaw didn't instant down players I think it would benefit him more to have to hunt down others

    Even in his moves he didn't sit in one place he hunted and chased them all down
    What you got against Leatherface man I main him he's the only killer I enjoy that isn't high teir
    Mainly his playstyle isn't unique at all its a universal and its unsurprising like all of the other killers. You'll find that all of them have unique playstyle to each different player

    Like for instant if you play five different hags. Each player will play them differently 

    Versus you playing 5 different leather faces more than likely all of them will be played the same exact way with 5 different players.. As if they all were the same person
  • Baphomett
    Baphomett Member Posts: 394
    That's not true!  Some LFs camp in the basement, some camp at the top of the steps, some camp hooks not even in the basement.  Hell, I once saw an LF slug someone and then camp them in dykng state.  So many different playstyles!
  • Zanfer
    Zanfer Member Posts: 647

    @feffrey said:
    Lets talk about Leather Face and why are their two killers with the same ability . HillBilly is far superior with his chainsaw but they both require almost no skill to use.
         So why are there two killers with the same ability to begin with why was Leather Face brought into the game?  Not complaining or anything just curious .
        Do you think the instant down is fair or should be reworked into giving the hit survivor server bleeding and prevent them from being healed for 30 secounds. I mean I like this more honestly they're more then likely to lead you to other survivors this way.

    Are we more likely to see more killers with the same ability this coming up season ?

    Leather Face does have some great perks probably the only reason to even play him is for Franklin Demise

    Both abilities do different things btw. One can hit multiple while the other can only hit one. Both have very different playstyles. Also getting rid of an insta down for a non heal is a nerf not a buff. The fact that you can't knock a survivor down and put them on a hook is a straight nerf.

  • Unit
    Unit Member Posts: 190
    I'm assuming you mean that all Leatherfaces camp because if that's what you think I don't think there's no saving you.
  • Grey87
    Grey87 Member Posts: 346

    Leather is fine.

  • feffrey
    feffrey Member Posts: 886
    edited August 2018
    Zanfer said:

    @feffrey said:
    Lets talk about Leather Face and why are their two killers with the same ability . HillBilly is far superior with his chainsaw but they both require almost no skill to use.
         So why are there two killers with the same ability to begin with why was Leather Face brought into the game?  Not complaining or anything just curious .
        Do you think the instant down is fair or should be reworked into giving the hit survivor server bleeding and prevent them from being healed for 30 secounds. I mean I like this more honestly they're more then likely to lead you to other survivors this way.

    Are we more likely to see more killers with the same ability this coming up season ?

    Leather Face does have some great perks probably the only reason to even play him is for Franklin Demise

    Both abilities do different things btw. One can hit multiple while the other can only hit one. Both have very different playstyles. Also getting rid of an insta down for a non heal is a nerf not a buff. The fact that you can't knock a survivor down and put them on a hook is a straight nerf.

    Who said you can't knock them?You can knock them just not instant.. Why do you deserve a free hand out because you can't keep track of a survivor after hitting them.
    I rather them not be abke to heal and have heavy bleeding to track them to other players and get multiple players than just getting one. Just in a more skillful way than holding down 1 button

  • Dr_doom_j2
    Dr_doom_j2 Member Posts: 869
    feffrey said:
    Zanfer said:

    @feffrey said:
    Lets talk about Leather Face and why are their two killers with the same ability . HillBilly is far superior with his chainsaw but they both require almost no skill to use.
         So why are there two killers with the same ability to begin with why was Leather Face brought into the game?  Not complaining or anything just curious .
        Do you think the instant down is fair or should be reworked into giving the hit survivor server bleeding and prevent them from being healed for 30 secounds. I mean I like this more honestly they're more then likely to lead you to other survivors this way.

    Are we more likely to see more killers with the same ability this coming up season ?

    Leather Face does have some great perks probably the only reason to even play him is for Franklin Demise

    Both abilities do different things btw. One can hit multiple while the other can only hit one. Both have very different playstyles. Also getting rid of an insta down for a non heal is a nerf not a buff. The fact that you can't knock a survivor down and put them on a hook is a straight nerf.

    Who said you can't knock them?You can knock them just not instant.. Why do you deserve a free hand out because you can't keep track of a survivor after hitting them.
    I rather them not be abke to heal and have heavy bleeding to track them to other players and get multiple players than just getting one. Just in a more skillful way than holding down 1 button

    Do you realize with your "buff" you'll only see LF camp a lot more? "Hmm, well I can't chase down survivors and instadown them anymore, but I have a chainsaw that hits multiple people, well, guess I gotta face camp the hook with my chainsaw rev'd" and why wouldn't he, since he is basically a neutered animal might as well, why go chase healthy survivors when you know you can't insta-down them and can't do anything to them unless you're right behind them. So you just discouraged chases with LF, good job
  • @PinkEricka said:
    HillBilly is not superior, Leatherface is. HillBilly can only chainsaw one survivor while Leatherface can chainsaw multiple survivors at once. 

    They both have their ups and downs. I personally think instadowns are fine. I mean, we survivors have insta-heal so it’s fair.

    However, I don’t think there are going to be any more killers with chainsaws. 

    man, i was going to say this.. #########

  • Delfador
    Delfador Member Posts: 2,552

    Leatherface is a bad killer and I don't understand why community doesn't want to acknowledge this.

    Any killer that does not require skill or intelligence is kinda bad. You can make plays with nurse, billy, huntress, hag and clown. You can show your skill with these killers. Apart from the general knowledge of the game like knowing map layouts, which pallets are safe which pallets are not safe etc, there is not much difference between a good wraith or a bad wraith because his power is easy to use. You can easily understand the difference between a good nurse and a bad nurse I believe.

    What devs need to do is to make their killers more complicated so that good players will have the chance to show themselves. You can see that with survivors because survivors have this opportunity. This is why generally killers are able to destroy survivors at low ranks and then have a hard time at high ranks. Survivors are able to get better and become more skilled while some killers like leatherface has no way to improve themselves.

    All in all, some killers need buffs that will not make them easy and deadly but will make them difficult and when used properly deadly just like nurse.

  • feffrey
    feffrey Member Posts: 886
    They should also change his Mori and the Clowns Mori 
    The Cannibal should be the one who does the eating of the survivors and not the Clown
  • MegaWaffle
    MegaWaffle Member Posts: 4,172

    @feffrey said:
    They should also change his Mori and the Clowns Mori 
    The Cannibal should be the one who does the eating of the survivors and not the Clown

    Leatherface has a Mori related to a scene from a movie, it literally could not fit his character more.
    The Clown has a Mori that is engrained in his bio, again it fits him.

  • Onandaga
    Onandaga Member Posts: 15
    edited August 2018

    Leather is pretty mediocre among killers. He has no mobilty or way to sneak up to survivors which makes it very easy to hide from him and have him waste a crap load of time just trying to find survivors. His chainsaw isn't even worth using a lot of times due to how easy and punishing it is to run into objects. If there is any problem with Leather it's that his add-ons need some proper love and attention. (Muffler add-ons are useless, no ultra-rares, chili doesn't even work)

  • feffrey
    feffrey Member Posts: 886
    Onandaga said:

    Leather is pretty mediocre among killers. He has no mobilty or way to sneak up to survivors which makes it very easy to hide from him and have him waste a crap load of time just trying to find survivors. His chainsaw isn't even worth using a lot of times due to how easy and punishing it is to run into objects. If there is any problem with Leather it's that his add-ons need some proper love and attention. (Muffler add-ons are useless, no ultra-rares, chili doesn't even work)

    You're right just remove him from the game
  • feffrey
    feffrey Member Posts: 886
    Still no matter what perks he use non will be helpful to him