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So is Gen Speed okay to the devs?
I seriously want to know if the devs look at the Gen speed and think it's okay, cause it's not, 7 gens, 4 survivors, 1 killer who has to manage all 11 things at once while the survivors can just focus on one gen at a time, with good speed. Seriously, it's annoying being 45 seconds into the game and seeing two gens get finished at once (it actually happened). There are even survivor groups who swarm gens on at a time, chase one off, another takes there spot, while you deal with those two or three, another is working on other gens. I have suffered through so much, and i'm not even in red ranks yet.
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I don't think the devs are that unaware. It's more likely that they don't want to balance DbD for decent survivor groups but for new survivor players.
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80seconds, 5 gens, 20 seconds on gate.
7minutes of objectives total 105seconds each survivor.
So as long as a killer is good enough to find,hook,chase,down two health states and hook a survivor in 35 seconds for 12 hooks he should be fine.
The real issue is killer mistakes cost time where survivors makes are time devided by survivors. A 30 second killer mistake is so punished because he can't get it back while a 30 second survivor mistake even leading to death the team can pick up 10 seconds each.
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It's not about being ok for devs, it's for players.
As survivor, do you really think you have fun for pressing the same button holding it for 80 seconds, so you want more?
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Well do you really have fun only holding m1 and leave with 3-4 chases in total?
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Could you explain better? If you mean that survivors get it easy to make objectives and scape from few chases, isn't the killer suposed to get and hook survivors in a total of maximun 3 chases, not more than 4? Obviously if you leave them they will just repair
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Actually, I believe generator times are fine in my opinion, the main reason why a lot of players say they are terrible because generators can go extremely fast in the early game. However, what those players also don't see is how slow the game becomes once they get pressure on survivors.
The only thing I would change about generators are skill checks, good and great success zones should be separated. Greats provide a huge boost, they should be extremely risky for that reason. 😁
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If they patch so that survivors cannot loop too long, and make weak killers able to pressure gen harder, I think its fine. The main problem is that weak killers are really useless. If you play doctor, spirit, or other strong killers, its pretty even if you are at similar rank. But if you play leather face, ghost face, or those useless killers, they can loop just as many as they want, if they know how to. Even if they don't loop, they can simply run straight one side to another side and hold more than a min easily.
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They don't want to increase Gen times due to it being boring for Survivors, yet every alternative solution seems to have some kind of issue.
They aren't the fastest team in the west so they won't be able to set up PTBs to test things out, expect no changes until they come up with something they think they can implement without causing bugs all over the place.
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Yes and no. The devs have definitely acknowledged game speed as a potential issue, they just don't think that the base generator repair time is the sole, or even necessarily the main, contributer.
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Ive come to the conclusion that its not "just" generator completion time that might be the problematic factor when it comes to generators.
" Generators are too easy to work on for the time it takes to complete them. "
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You're right on the skillcheck part. If they were tweaked to be slightly more challenging/less rewarding/more punishing/+-difficult, the devs wouldnt need to increase gen times (atleast not by muchlol)
But the ruin change has two mutual exclusive theories behind it:
- Devs dont want any harder skillchecks, so ruin wqas removed for the potatoes
- Ruin was removed so it couldnt stack with possibly harder/rebalanced default skillchecks
Sadly the first option seems to be more likely to be true as there wasnt any sign of the latter adressed anywhere.
As long the maps or killer-survivor-power-ratio stays the same, the only easy solution seems to be gen speed, as it is a single variable to tweak.
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I believe they said the base gen speed was fine.
Dont remember if they addressed anything that increased it tho other than toolboxes
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Gen times were fine when the maps weren't the size of Australia and gens weren't as spread as my ex-wife.
Be Bubba, Clown, or Trapper and wishing YOU had Sprint Burst for some of these gens. It's not wonder the 3 gen strat is gaining in popularity.
Get going fat boy...you have a lot of running to do...
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This is probably going to sound like I'm a survivor main, but this is genuinely my opinion about Ruin getting nerfed by the rework. Also, my opinion would be exactly what I'm about to say if I wasn't Trusted — nothing is forcing me to say this, all of this is from me and me only. 😁
The perk wasn't healthy, killers could mess up severely and not get punished because the survivors just couldn't hit great skill checks. Survivors would suffer 4 seconds worth of progress on generators plus a repair cool-down of one second — multiply that everytime they don't hit a great.
1 Skill Check: 85 Second Generator
3 Skill Checks: 95 Second Generator
5 Skill Checks: 105 Second Generator
10 Skill Checks: 130 Second Generator
Everytime you miss a great, you're spending more time repairing and getting skill checks. Things start to add up once you been repairing a generator for a while, it gets ridiculous the amount time you spend on a single generator.
This is without the killer applying pressure, imagine if the killer was hooking survivors and forcing survivors off generators. Good killers with Ruin made generators extremely hard to complete, you would be considered lucky if you escaped those games. 😁
Overall, the perk was like pre-reworked DS, but a lot worse: it's strong regardless of the player and their experience level.
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3 Gens = 80 seconds. Don't forget that the other 3 survivors are working on gens while 1 survivor gets chased.
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The gens are in close proximity in Hawkins if I'm not mistaken...
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Like many said. Survivors early game is the problem. Three survivors working on Gens while one gets chased is quite too strong. What adds to the problem is that even survivor defenses are maximum in the early game.
That's why I think focusing on map design and how to address early game might be the best way to do it. I personally still think, that it would be more interesting, if some survivor defenses(vaults and pallets) start locked in the early game and need to be unlocked by others to be useable. That might shift some of the strength to the midgame and add an additional objective which survivors have to consider for their strategy while it still can be ignored when camping. But that's my opinion.
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They've said it's fine and make posts telling you how to
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I believe the closest we've gotten was them saying they need to nerf Ruin to determine if there is a problem. Evidently the entire playerbase knows what they don't, and knew it even before the nerf.
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Something as simple as starting the killer in the center of the map
Could wildly affect gen speed. That first walk while they spawned next to a gen while killer is other side of map is brutal.
Depending on survivors that one walk alone could cost you 2-3 gens
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Mate i escape 9/10 matches as survivor. You most likely to get 2 gens before a single hook almost every game. Dont come to me with playing survivor is hard bs.
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Since the majority of devs are at Brown ranks - yeah, they consider the gen speed as a normal thing.
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Gen "speed" is fine. Its the maps that needs some serious rework. Not just the size, but also the awful procedural generation of tiles like spawning of god windows on a already strong tile, jungle gym right next to killer shack, just beside a really safe pallet etc shouldn't exist. If maps are reworked, game would be a lot less stressful for slow mobility killers and enjoyable for all in general.
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You got 0 point of understanding my comment
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