How to become a better killer?
Honestly come off a ton of really bad games with sweaty SFW grouped red rank survivors (im rank 10), so needless to say I was pissed off and made a dumb post about "oh survivors op ######### life" blah blah blah. I need to get better at Killer and I know I should be moon walking, mind gaming, and all the other things that good killers say you should do, but I dont know how.
at this rank trying to mind game as someone of my skill level is nearly impossible against the people I keep getting put up against because:
1 - Im horrible at it so I either swing to early, go the wrong way, or miss read the situation.
2- the survivor predicts it and just makes a ton of distance meaning by the time the next chase is instigated another gens done.
I want to get better at this game but constantly being talked down to by hot headed survivors and feeling like no progress is being made is really ######### me up tbh... any tips on ways I can practice or videos that might be able to show me how to do better?
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https://mixer.com/ProVengeance_
Watch this man play. He almost always wins, and usually explains what he is doing. The statistics prove it.
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It doesn't exactly help matchmaker puts you in matches you have lost already before they've even begun because the people have like 5000+ hours of practice on you.
So you stop learning anything because you can't even really figure out what is going on, you don't get enough practice in those matches to get any better.
Some experienced streamers have suggested you find some friends and go to private custom games and have them run loops against you so you can talk to them, and really figure out what works and what doesn't.
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Half of the streamers are not really even that good. Alot of the youtubers only post videos of themselves winning.
I only follow people who have made an impression on me. In the case of the guy I mentioned above, I had probably 2000-3000 hours when I ran into him, and he absolutely demolished my team when I was playing survivor, to the point I checked his profile.
Watching him let me significantly up my game.
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Well that's great, glad that worked for you.
A lot of the ones I am thinking of are very good too, and the advice of practicing stuff in custom games is definitely effective also.
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Learn Map Layout's, Spawn Locations, and Killer's strengths and weaknesses. If you gave us what Killer you play most we could help more. Also what maps you find yourself best on, and which ones you don't.
Perk synergy is important, obviously some perks are used more than the rest, and also many Killers require certain perks. This includes Add-On's for the Killer.
There are many YouTuber's/streamers you can follow for advice. TrU3Ta1ent, and FunGoose are well known as some of the best players, who provide a lot of criticism and coaching while they play. Tru3 even accepts "sellout builds" which he will test builds you suggest to him. Honestly if it wasn't for these two I never would have made it to rank 1 on my own.
As far as trick's go;
- Learn how to hide your red stain.
- Learn common loops like; The Safe House, TL loops, jungle gyms, etc.
- Harvester Tech (you can run across the bales next to the Harvester)
- Learn the difference between an unsafe pallet, an average pallet, and a safe pallet.
- Learn the infinite loops - every realm has them on some maps (Your survivor games even becomes amazing when you learn the 2 on Hawkin's Lab)
- Learn to Juggle survivors - instead of camping, or tunneling. Survivors will still accuse you of tunneling, but look at it this way if all of them say you were camping/tunneling then that means you did a very good job Juggling.
- It's okay to Slug, Attack Off Hook, and "proximity camp". The game is designed to be faster and more intense after the first 2-3 gens are done. Don't be scared of the first two gens lighting up fast, but be scared of how fast they get the last 3. These are terms survivors will try to use against you to make you think you are a worse player, but your not, and chances are you didn't even do it.
- Tunneling is not attacking a survivor off hook. Tunneling is when you single out one survivor and focus on only sacrificing them against even better options. It's the fastest way to lose, because survivors can safe loop you till the exit gates are open. Learn when to give up chase and keep pressure on the other survivors. (Not Gen's, but Survivors, if everyone is running around not doing the objective - generators. Then you will win).
- It's easy to find survivors by patrolling Gen's. Ensure to add your hex totems, and hooked survivors into your patrol. You never know when someone may try to make a break for them, and if they do it unsafely then it's free hits/hooks for you.
Tru3 Stream and Youtube: https://www.twitch.tv/tru3ta1ent/ ~~~ https://www.youtube.com/TrU3Ta1ent
FunGoose Stream: https://www.twitch.tv/fungoose/
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Heh, I just watched a clip of that guy playing as Demo, and it actually makes me feel a lot better because I watched even him struggle with the same things I struggle with as Demo. I'm not the only one lol.
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The killer im playing the most right now is Doctor because he offers the most amount of blood points which I can put into other killers, the main two I love playing the most are Demo and Mires, planning to watch some streamers and track their movements and spending some games just chasing survivors around the common loops to see their pathing and predict it, ignore gens one game to get better chases in another. Ill also see if I can get some friends to practice looping on me so they can become better survivors and I can get better at killer.
I dont have every killer and my teachables are very limited right now, however im just now learning about tap walking, how to properly moon walk, and what pallets are safe and which ones arnt
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Explaining how to be a better killer is difficult because it’s all up to the person and how willing they are to keep practicing. From what you said in the post i’ll try to break it down and explain some tips.
- Moonwalking/Double-backing: Moonwalking is simple but situational, if you’re at a un-mindgameable loop (visible/open) don’t try it. Try to moonwalk at loops with walls, T-L walls, or jungle gyms. To moonwalk just hold S or move the analog stick back while looking in the direction you currently are.
(Flick: Flicking is real easy, just “flick” your mouse or move the analog stick in the opposite direction you’re going for a split second then move it back to make it seem like you’re going the other way but you come back. Flicks only really work at short loops and unsafe loops.)
- Swinging
- Just practice how far your lunge will reach, remember all killers have the same lunge except for tier 3 myers and legion in feral frenzy. Most of the time you’re going to lunge and not just click M1 so just keep practicing how far you can reach, if you feel it’s not, it most likely won’t so it’s not worth the risk.
- Survivor Predictions
- If a survivor is reading all of your moves and knows mindgames you’re trying to do then always try to mix it up with them and be unpredictable. If needed rush it and don’t try anything special, just don’t focus all on them and if they’re in a good spot leave them and come back later.
Don't let it bring you down if you’re losing constantly, you’ll never get better without getting beaten first. Practice and learn from your mistakes, there’s a lot that goes into killer so don’t feel overwhelmed when you hear “do this, do that, make sure this is done” because they’ll all help you in the long run. I’d recommend having someone to practice with and explain what you’re doing right or wrong, just keep playing, practicing, losing, and you’ll become better. Sorry for the long post lol, hope you get better! Don’t give up! :)
Good Youtubers (imo):
Otzdarva
Trutalent
Ardetha
Bricky (casefiles)
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Props for acknowledging you need to get better as killer and not blaming the game or the devs or other players for your faults.
Really the only way to become a better killer is through experience. You can watch people like Fungoose all day and learn some stuff, but you're only going to improve by playing. And losing.
When you win you don't learn anything. When you lose there is always something you can point to and be like "I could have done this better" or "I made a huge mistake here".
Pretty much every game I ever lose as killer I can look back and say "I messed up". Sometimes it's one big thing I did that cost me the game. Sometimes it's a lot of little things I did that cost me the game. Very very rarely is it a case of "well I was just screwed from the start with no hope to win". I could probably count on 1 hand the amount of games where this were actually the case.
You need to be unpredictable while predicting what survivors are going to do. You need to learn when to let a survivor go so you can do protect gens or chase another survivor. You also need to learn that sometimes you need to play dirty to win. It sucks but there are times when it's like "if I don't do this I definitely lose". Don't feel bad for the survivors, do what needs to be done.
You need to make decisions quickly. Sometimes making the wrong decision fast is better than making the right decision slow (or not at all). You need to act with urgency. Hesitation and indecisiveness can cost you more than anything else. You need to learn how to prioritize actions and always be thinking several steps ahead. "I'm going to hook this guy here, take this exact path to this gen, kick it with Pop, then return to this part of the map where I know they are most likely to be, spend 10 seconds searching, then return to the hook".
Spend some time watching killer/survivors videos to see some of the tricks survivors may pull. If you down someone at a pallet, don't just pick them up like a bot. Look around for someone that might want to drop the pallet on you. Better yet, bait them to get closer by standing over the survivor for a moment.
Killer is all about efficiency. Take the fastest path. Do things in the fastest order. Know when someone is just wasting your time and let them go. I've seen killers no joke chase 1 survivor all game and get 4e'd because they just have no concept of efficiency. Even when they have NOED.
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Im slowly learning, looking back on my last game I definetly chased the david too long at ate 3-4 pallets including shack, got to remind myself mindgames often wont work in shack because survivors can see through the cracks in the wood. Shack is by far my biggest weakness but I hear its rough on alot of killers without proper practice and pathing.
Just wish it didnt take so much blood points to get perks for killers or survivors, then losing wouldnt feel as bad.
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just break the pallet
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Yea some loops like shack you just need to brute force, unless you have a perk like Bambo or are certain killers like Hag/Spirit.
If you can force shack pallet that's almost always a good thing unless it's late game. Most of the time I take that "trade", break the pallet and go off to find another survivor or protect a gen. Trying to mind game at un-mind-game-able pallets will cost you. And even ones where you CAN mind game the survivor, if it's clear they aren't falling for your tricks then you are often better off just brute forcing the loop.
By brute forcing a loop I mean you just follow the survivor until they drop the pallet. Hug the loop as tight as you can and just force it down. Disrespect the pallet if you have too, I see a lot of killers lose at loops like this because they respect the pallet when they could have just swung and forced the pallet down. If you get a hit that's great, but your goal should be to get rid of the pallet.
Also chasing a survivor while they drop pallets isn't always a bad thing. It depends on how efficient they are at looping. If they loop you like crazy, yea you don't want to chase them through many pallets. If they tend to camp pallets and drop them early sometimes you can use that survivor to create dead zones for the group. If you can create such a dead zone around a 3/4 gen, then you can easily win the game.
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When you're playing killer in DBD, you need to play chess, even though the survivors are playing checkers.
As a killer you need to be thinking two, three, even four steps ahead. When you spawn in you need to figure out where the survivors spawned. This comes from time playing, but even if you don't have a lot of time in the game, realize the game doesn't want you to spawn too close together, so checking generators too close to you probably isn't a great idea.
You find your first survivor. Are they in a dead zone? How many pallets are near them? Are they running straight through the pallet to try an extra loop, or do they throw it immediately? Are they hugging the wall or taking wide angles on the loop? Do they recognize the jungle gym into pallet loop into shack and take advantage of that, or do they loop one structure until you force the pallet down? Do you have a one shot down? Are you a 4.6m/s (Trapper, Freddy, Billy, Clown, etc.) or a 4.4m/s (Spirit, Hag, etc.) killer? If they stun you with the pallet do they stay and try to conserve the loop, or immediately run away? Is it a Claudette that's hard to see in a dark map, or a pink haired Nea that wants to be found and chased? Do they look behind themselves in a chase or just run to the first loop they see and hope they make it. Did you see a Sprint Burst when they started running? Did they Litle through a random window? Are they running for high ground so they can get Balanced Landing? If they did none of those things, do they have Dead Hard? Are they using Dead Hard to avoid hits or to extend a loop?
These are all questions you have to ask yourself in about two seconds if you are going to play to your fullest potential, and these questions have to go through your head four times per game to account for each survivor.
There's no 100% right way to play as a killer. My best advice is for you to have these questions running through your head at all times and adapt to each survivor. With time you will be a better killer.
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literally the first game I see of this person, playing doctor, he is proxy camping the Bill on the hook.....yeah great guy, if he has to deploy these tactics to 4k... idk if you want to use this as an example.....
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I've been recording my games and watching them back later to see things that I didn't see in the moment. That might help.
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