I think some people of this community have missunderstood
As a killer, your job is to KILL the survivors, that's the whole purpose of the killer side, but of course some survivors don't see it exactly that way. In no way I'm trying to make fun of them tho, so I think I should short some things out.
The killer can do anything that isn't bannable to win the game. That means they can camp, tunnel, camp a generator (don't ask me, I got flamed for doing that), play any killer and use any perk that they like, there shouldn't be anyone to hold em back. Yes of course its a d*** move to camp or tunnel, but, since they are the killer, they can do it. You don't make up the rules, both as a survivor and as a killer.
I'm struggling to understand why I shouldn't use killers like the spirit and "I should go play a normal killer". Excuse me but, you didn't actually pay for my account did you? Since this is my account I can use whatever I want.
If someone flames you in post game chat, send them this and hopefully they will realize how stupid they really are xd
Cya in the fog, fellow killers and survivors of the fog.
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There's a difference between winning the game and ruining a player's experience. Don't blur the two, please.
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I'd argue that this is false, especially with the current ranking system. The name "KILLER" and "SURVIVOR" are as misleading as just about every tutorial in the game. It's more like Torturer/Hunter/Predator than just a Killer, where as it's also a case of Victim.
Your goal is "Killer" isn't simply to kill. It's to inflict suffering. It is to protect generators. It is to DO THE ENTITY'S BIDDING. Then kill them.
But you're right. The community is mistaken, and you have perfectly highlighted that misconception.
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Thank you fellow piggy and Claudette main UwU
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Well, it's more Yui or Kate now, but they don't have the same ring to it. And I was a Claudette when I made my account.
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Sometimes killer is the victim 😂
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As long as someone that goes with this mindset doesn't complain if their opponent(s) do stuff that they don't like to them as well, there's no issue.
But far too often that's not how it works. People find all sorts of straight up ascended ways to convince themselves that approach only applies to "their side", while on the other side all sorts of "toxic" or "sweaty" things that break no rules whatsoever shouldn't be allowed or justifies all sorts of cringy vigilante justice.
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Haha you took my words
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Yeah. We've all eaten the rainbow at some point. Or stumbled into a tiny blue village.
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Sorry but there is no fine line between the two things you said. There is a fine line between playing the game in ANYWAY and true griefing.
the problem here is survivors think that if they're not having fun then they are being griefed when really the killer is just trying to win.
it becomes a farther problem when in order to win you sometimes HAVE to do things that people don't LIKE. Like capitalizing on survivor mistakes. Like slugging multiple survivors. Killing off(tunneling) a survivor that keeps throwing themselves at you because they want to be chased, and then it's your fault when they underestimated you and you kill them when your supposed to have just left them alone, lmao. Or my favorite complaint/pathetic insult. Respecting 360s or window/pallet techs when the hit boxes are the way they are in this game and killers lose collision at certain interactions.
maybe if they balance the maps correctly the killer wouldnt be under so much pressure and they could take it easy. Gen speed is only a problem b/c maps are the way they are.
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Yeah, and spawn camping is a strat in shooters.
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Nah don't worry I'm cool. I also believe that the survivors can do whatever they want, but I advice them to help their teammates, that's all. I see teabagging as phycological war between the survivor and the killer, so that the killer can focus them instead of the survivor's team. Is my mindset "healthy"? XD
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Chill. Your first sentence is a restatement of what I said. Don't twist my statement further.
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Sounds perfectly fine to me, you actually have the mindset you're talking about in which case you can clearly both dish it out and take it 👍️
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Players like the OP are the only ones that wont understand how the game is designed to be played. Thats exactly why it is so annoying to play survivor. Players like OP just undermine every game mechanic to make the experience of others the most miserable as possible.
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Sounds Like you just want to escape every game killers job is to kill not to make sure survivors have fun or screwing around not playing the game optimally
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I don't think OP is blurring anything. Sure, it's nice when people play nice. And there is a difference between doing things for strategic reasons and doing them just to be a jerk. But it should never be expected that people will play nice if it's in their strategic interests not to, and if anyone, killer or survivor, gets upset with another player for using everything and anything at their disposal to win (within the rules of the game, of course), that is 100% the accuser's problem. Mercy is nice when it happens, but it is, by definition, never owed.
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I was just concerned that they didn't address griefing. I don't think they were blurring anything, but I know the road they walk only gets blurrier. Like someone said above, there is a lot of "cheesy vigilante justice" going around and I hope that a wholesome thread like this isn't corrupted by it. It appears it largely isn't, which is a relief.
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That's totally fair enough, and I get what you mean - some people do like to try to justify things like that because they had a bad game before or because the person moried them last week. But I would hope that OP can also agree that the "anything goes" idea is limited strictly to strategic gameplay, and doesn't justify things like griefing by any means.
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I can't say I end up super pleased or amused when I am under a hookcamp or getting tunneled harshly, however at the end I get angry, vent off in some way that isn't toxic and move on as killer/survivor. But I do hope that the creator of this thread keeps the same energy regarding the extremely aggro tactics survivors pulls and wins the game through.
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Really? We're going down this road?
What part of PIG Main says that i want easy escapes?
If I can constantly DOUBLE PIP as the Legion while only getting one kill, or "screwing around" as Pig by playing strike and fade, and still getting a 4k easily, then I'm pretty sure I have a deeper understanding of what the game wants from me compared to someone who can't even use punctuation to form a proper sentence.
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In terms of ranking up and blood points. Fast games where you slaughter the survivors in seconds, doesn't benefit you all that much. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWEs9qKq6WA
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Neither do instant-downs. Gotta remember that too.
I've heard a lot of Hillbilly players complain about that too. Half the chase, half the reward.
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You can look at a survivor the wrong way and ruin their experience lol
Survivor main here
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If anyone sees my post's y'all know where I stand. To be alright to good at the game you can't play down to or baby the other side. Tough love sometimes is need to make you stronger.
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You didn't mention anything about how the game is supposed to be played. You just threw a baseless accusation out there.
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No one misunderstood. Many killers act like complete ######### and purposely ruin other people's games. The desire, if not expectation, is that they don't. It's not rocket science. Its human decency, which seems to have escaped too many people in this game. By all means, act however you want. But don't whine like a little ######### when people dodge your match and have a spicy post-game chat about your ######### behavior, because that's a survivor's right. ✌️
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So if LeBron James loss every game to make the rest of the league feel good about themselves would that make him a better played or human? You can't win all the time and expect everyone to play by one set of rules and standards.
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oh no, survivors are not allowed to run around mindlessly. This is so bad. Lets blame a killer for being too strict. If Im not allowed 99 mistakes, the game is not fun. xD
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This is under the assumption that every ######### killer is LeBron James, which is a fallacy - the killers who play like this are generally not very good, which is why they employ tactics that are cheap and ruin the game for others. Also, Basketball requires people to play with a minimum amount of sportsmanship, which is highly governed by refs, DBD does not. Nothing about what you've said is remotely relatable. But it was a good effort.
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Anything with winners or losers has minimal amount of sportsmanship. Survivors some not all thinks they deserves everything for nothing. Everyone paid there way in to not care what other want. If I'm playing a RTS I should let my enemy get to the same strength just so they can have fun too. Tell others how they need to play for your experience is something you just need to get over. By the way I solo q as survivor and never expect a nice killer just a killer.
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Also killer are the refs.
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False, most actual sports have sportsmanship...its literally in the name, bruh. Which is why trying to compare DBD to a sport, and Killers with no actual skills to legendary basketball players is a very dumb comparison. I don't know a lot of survivors who think they deserve something for nothing. Just a huge community of survivors who believe they deserve an opportunity to play the game, which they are robbed of when cheap, ######### killers camp and tunnel them to death, like #########. I'm not telling anyone how to play for my experience, I'm telling the OP what to expect when they exercise their right to play like a total #########. If you don't want to get people bowing out of your match early and giving you an earful in post-game chat - don't play like a ######### tool. If that doesn't bother you, then by all means, you do you booboo. But don't expect to get to play like a ######### and then get a "GG" at the end of match, when you very specifically went out of your way to ensure it wasn't, in fact, a good game for anyone but you. :) I'm sure, with your killer avatar, that you care deeply about your survivor matches. [/sarcasm] But to be clear, I never expect a "nice" killer either, just someone who a modicum of skill to play a fair and challenging game without resorting to lazy tactics that ruin someone else's match and doesn't help them progress - either their skill level or their pts/rank. :)
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Yep.
I think Lalythia has overlooked. Survivors can be just as bad as the killer they seem to always go against. Since there was an ozt video recently, where a survivor admitted at the end, they were trying to make him angry. There are some individuals who play survivor that also seek to ruin other's days. It not just a killer thing. We even had a recent thread showing proof of less than nice survivors. That and Lalythia logic of you have the right to talk about the killer play style after the match is over. Well if the killer truly wants to ruin someone day. Wouldn't he be enjoying seeing the reaction of survivors that are full of rage? Aka giving them what they want? Which also, i'm not sure how you can dodge a match against a killer, since you have no idea who they are until the game ends. [Unless they mean dying on hook or dcing.] It could be Ozt, it could be me, it could be Monto, it could be noob3, puppers, you have no idea until the game ends. That and the person in question, could always change their name. While not even taking into account the possible idea of a misunderstanding. Since a killer could notice something a survivor didn't during the match. Like red marks, being left around an area. That made it easy for them to find that survivor. That or might be unaware of what a certain perk the killer has does like bbq. Making it think the killer is acting in a less than fair way, when everything is on up and up and the killer is playing the game normally. Leading to the survivor bashing and insulting the killer, due to their own lack of knowledge about the game. Since there is a number of different perks a killer can use to help track survivors. That and Lalythia logic also doesn't make sense, like how are you meant to dodge a match with the killer but still remain there for the post game chat? https://youtu.be/L_0F2Nvg_Ek?t=1394 https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/144592/examples-of-toxic-players-warning-offensive-language/p1
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Yeah deaththreats and slurs are totally fine, just because the survivors didn't have fun. /s
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Seen you post quite a bit and feel like we share a lot in common when it comes to the tactical aspects of the game.
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I agree with the letter of this, but not the spirit.
People shouldn't be harassed for playing a game a certain way, but at the same time DBD is a game. Not a job.
As Killer you can play how you want, but if you're going to just stare at a Survivor on a hook or purposefully try to annoy others I think maybe you should take a break and do something else.
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Do you really believe that words in post chat something more than just salt?
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Tell this to survivors using discord to gain unfair advantages.
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Everything that isn't cheating is fair. They can camp, tunnel ect, but the point remains. Who tells me, and every other killer, don't do that?
Killers are killers, do you really expect a psychopath in lore to show u mercy? Or play by your rules? No, since it's a strategy they can use it, it's fair.
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But what they said applies perfectly to that as well though.
Someone can use the tool of voice comms for griefing, but it's not inherently griefing. And if you believe it is and/or insist it's cheating or something despite being explicitly allowed and endorsed (the official DBD discord has voice chat rooms for SWF parties, doesn't it?) then your mindset is inherently incompatible with the mindset of the developers themselves.
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Actually no! Thank you for asking. I actually have encountered a person who kept harassing me for trying to learn spirit, quote of them, if I may:
"Go play a normal killer you rank 5 boosted ape c***"
I'll be honest, I didn't give a 💩, my philosophy is and always will be "if it's in the game, and doesn't break the rules, you can use it". BUT
I would like to send this thread to the next swd team who had 4 flashlights, and eventually will get destroyed.
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So survivors can team up in SWF and use all OP perks like DS or BT.
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Yes, why wouldn't they? It's part of the game isn't it? I wouldn't describe bt as overpowered tho. But yes, they can swf, teabag all they want, since it's allowed.
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You can pip all you want but if survivors are exiting those gates you lost dont try to lecture me because you play how they want you to and only no life nerds act stuck up about punctuation on a message board your not really impressing about being a grammar nazi if that what you are going for
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Screw Ranking up im killing as many as i can as fast as i can
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When it takes me about 3 reads to figure out what you are saying, then add some damn full stops. Easy as that.
People have their own definition of winning, and I follow the pip system that the game provides.
My original point you are obviously ignoring is that there is more to this game than just kills and killers like you aren't going to help the game's health. Killers who NEED buffs are being ignored because of kill-hungry stat boosters. Decisive Strike and Borrowed Time have become meta perks for survivors to try and prevent/delay underhanded tactics. My way of play both naturally counters those perks AND co-insides with what the ranking system wants.
If you want to be permanently kill-hungry then F13 is the game for you. Go nuts. Just don't complain that the DbD system doesn't support you and the player base flame you for using underhanded tactics.
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Which is why I don't play them lol
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Yes Because the game want 4 escapes every game wait no thats what survivors want the game calls you a killer it wants you kill by hooking survivors just because you chase until gates are open and they escape doesn't mean thats how the game us ment to be played
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If you think your job is to just kill the survivor then you clearly don't know this game. The entity is my boss as killer. The Entity wants the survivor to feel hope before having it obliterated at the end of a hook. The killer is the Entity's bitchboy is all he is.
This is a repeated process. The Entity wants a survivor or 2 to escape and tell the other survivors there is hope, then crush that hope.
If you tunnel and camp and get the message that The Entity was displeased, you failed.
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I kill. I said I kill. I also TORMENT. The only example I had was Legion getting Merciless with one kill. I easily 4K with Pig, Doctor and Freddy. If we count an unlucky hatch escape as a 4k, then almost always 4k
The tutorials of Dead by Daylight only teach you the mechanics, not the deep intricicies such as perk combinations, mind games, or what the game wants. You have to learn that yourself. I play the rank game, I play with knowledge of the Survivor experience so I can counter it effectively. Funny thing is that when I did, I got WAY more emblems, and I also had way more fun. Stalling out the game and choosing when a survivor dies is the ultimate feeling in the game for me, and the current emblem system.
If you want to be a mindless kill-monkey, you do you. Just don't @ me because you can't come up with a decent justification for your playstyle or counter my points.
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