The Kobe Build is kinda crazy
4 Up The Antes, 4 Slippery Meats in a coordinated SWF. Basically four deliverances with no downsides... totally spooks every Killer we've played against.
The Killer gets zero map pressure for each person's first hook, so generators rush like crazy.
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Until it dont work and now you die on your second hook
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Highly unlikely. You can do the math yourself. If you stack luck offerings, you're virtually guaranteed to get off the hook.
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Even if it works, whats the point of it? Theres no fun in gen rushing and having the matches be over in 5 minutes. On top of that you wont be getting much unhook altruism points if all of you are unhooking yourselves. Seems like a very boring way to play tbh.
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One person's boring is another person's fun.
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If anything all thats gonna do is ruin the killers fun, lowering the number of killers aka longer matchmaking.
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True, which is why I don't do it. However, it is quite broken, trust me.
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I just did the math. Assuming the luck is additive and everyone's alive, that's a 9% boost per survivor (36% total) from Up The Ante, with a 4% base chance to escape the hook. That comes down to 40% for everyone.
Unhooks follow a binomial distribution, so the chance that you'll succeed at least once over 6 attempts (3 base + Slippery Meat) is around 95,33%.
If you put in Vigo's Jar of Salty Lips x4, that's another 12%, which gives you around 98,78% chance to self-unhook - a virtual guarantee.
Luck stacking is utterly broken.
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Oh my, we got to the point where people complain about Slippery Meat and Up the Ante.
RIP the Forum, I guess.
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Which part of the mathematics do you disagree with?
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Once they figure it out, they're just gonna slug.
So bring Unbreakable or something, but please, don't complain if they slug specifically to counter this.
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Nah, dont worry, someone like you will have a problem with everything Survivors bring. I expect something like that from you.
That being said, dedicating a whole Build on Kobes is more of a Meme Build than anything else. Because each Perk Slot dedicated to Kobeing is one Perk Slot less for actual Meta Perks.
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Personal attacks aside, which part of the mathematics do you disagree with?
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Did I say that I disagree with the raw numbers? No.
But Slippery Meat and Up the Ante are some of the worst Perks. Using those Perks for a whole Build is not a big problem. Basically anything other than DS/BT/UB + Exhaustion Perk (or Iron Will/Adrenaline instead of one of those 4) is nice to see.
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No, but neither did you say anything of substance. You came here, ridiculed people for pointing out potential problems at the extremes of this build and then implied I was biased toward killers (even though I've been playing SWF with a friend and only played two killer trials these past few days I've been back).
You also didn't address the actual argument, which is that, combined, they provide too big of an advantage, as proven by the mathematics. If you agree with the numbers, then you agree with the argument, since the argument only has to do with the numbers.
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I disagree that this is any problem. It will be a rare occasion, 4 man SWFs (and this will most likely be the only group running this build) are rare, and people dedicating to a Kobe Build will be even more rare and, just an assumption on my side, not the sweatiest people and most likely a bunch of friends who just want to have fun.
So I dont see an issue if there is a Build which differs from the Meta (and is not even new, this is used from time to time since at least a year).
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I literally just posted the mathematics, but OK.
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To be fair, I did not quote you with my initial Post.
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That's 2 wasted perk slots for deliverance its really not that powerful
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in a 4 man swf it is more powerful than deliverance, since all 4 will be able to kobe. no prior unhook needed.
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I accidently posted in the wrong thread. MB.
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