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Pyramid head final judgment
So from what I heard a while back on one of the dev streams the mori is something that the entity gives to the killer like a gift of sorts, so why can pyramid head straight up execute a survivor without needing the mori ? Wouldn't he need the entitys permission to do so? I'm not sure if there's a definitive lore explanation to this yet or not, just something that popped in my head.
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The power of Silent Hill is truly an immense and devastating power. I guarantee you if the Entity tried to exert any more control over Pyramid Head than it already is, something would go very, very wrong. It's not that the Entity fears Pyramid Head, it's that it most likely has some form of respect for him and sees him not as a slave for murder, but as a business associate.
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The lore also speaks of an unspoken agreement, so perhaps unlike a lot of the other Killers, Pyramid Head was granted additional "payment" in exchange for agreeing to be a Killer for The Entity. As Mikeadatrix said, this is in someways a business relationship, as opposed to a forced labour.
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Pyramid Head gives no #########. That's why.
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Pyramid Head's relationship with the entity is violent to say the least. In the metaphysics of Dead By Daylight the trials are composed of The Entity's thoughts and some memories it has taken from its victims. Pyramid Head cleaves The Entity's flesh when using Rites of Judgment and then uses Torment to subvert The Entity's control. Don't forget that Pyramid is wild even in his original environment, abusing and killing monsters in Silent Hill at a whim. It makes sense he would be a bit on the wild side, even for something like The Entity. Maybe The Entity likes him that way.
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It also ties into Pyramid Head's role in Silent Hill 2. His role was to torment and punish James, and force him to confront a truly horrible thing he did. If James doesn't press on and acknowledge what he's done, Pyramid Head will kill him.
In Dead by Daylight, while he's chasing survivors and sacrificing them, his skills flavour text still suggest that he carries himself in that same role; trying to punish the survivors and force them to face their sins. As the survivors can't do that in the Entity's environments, after sending them to a cage a few times to try and hammer the lesson in, he will ultimately kill them for not confessing and confronting their inner demons.
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I find it very interesting that BHVR made several stylistic changes to Pyramid Head. So interesting that I've got a theory that the Pyramid Head in DbD isn't actually the Pyramid Head from Silent Hill 2. If anyone is reading this and worried about Silent Hill 2 spoilers here's the place you should stop. This Pyramid Head notably lacks the bulb of flesh hanging off the back of its pyramid and also lacks the piercing tongue of PH in SH2. It is also obsessed with affected torment and punishment on Survivors even though they may not deserve it, which is in direct contrast to its nature in SH2 as PH was a very personal figure to James. Pyramid Head also had no real "duty" as described to Silent Hill itself, not without James being present.
Want to know what I think? Last chance for spoilers: I think this Pyramid Head is James himself, having fallen into his darker nature. He wields the great knife and carries the burden of the pyramid on his head by choice, punishing himself forever by becoming the phantom of his own guilt. The duty that PH left behind was duty to his wife Mary, "'til death do us part." I like to think this PH is James after the In Water ending, some part of him remained behind in the town and lived on tormenting and being tormented forever.
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The entity is not omnipotent-although it is the master of the pocket dimension everyone is in. So it's close to it- the entity relies more on changing people, empowering them and bringing them from someplace else. We don't have anty killers that the entity has made from nothing which tells us that the entity has its clear limits. In canon the PH was pretty much indestructible in tis first appearence and while the new PH might be working with a physical design more closer to the movies or later games his addons directly reference sh2 constantly and in SH2 he was physically impervous apart from maybe being given a head ache.
It's suggested in hillbilly flavour text with his saw addon the scracthes that when the entity is displeased it punishes the killers via torturing them with it's big meaty spider legs, properly to a massive decree. Thing is PH ain't gonna care about that and the entity knows it...let alone an empowered PH-which he is hence why he can now actually carry the great knife in one hand now- the entity lets it do its job because it still gets food from the equation. It dosen't really need sacreficing-it likes them but it dosen't need them- since it feeds on hope.
Same reason why in game it makes lore sense you can fail to sacrefice anyone but still get enough points to avoid a ED. It probably could punish PH for this stuff...but in order to do so it would require more effort than it's worth. Especially if PH is still doing his job to a brutal or more decree.
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"Bulb of flesh"?
as far as I'm aware there is no bulb of flesh "hanging off the back" although I've never played Silent Hill so I could be wrong, but after he was announced I did my fair share of research and watched full cutscene compilations / "movies" of Silent Hill 1 / 2 / 3 so I could better understand Cheryl's story and Pyramid Head's role in those early games. I also watched videos like this:
It's from my understanding that the only truly canonical appearance of Pyramid Head is from Silent Hill 2 (he doesn't appear in 3 from what I remember, and he wasn't conceived yet to appear in the first game) so different versions of Pyramid Head where he has a "fleshy substance" underneath the helmet or a "fleshy bulb" on the back are non-canonical. This is also the iteration of Pyramid Head that we see in DBD (from Silent Hill 2) so it stands to reason we are working with the canon in mind and nothing else.
The video talks about this briefly in a segment about a minute or two long that starts at 3:23. Masahiro Ito himself confirms that what is under Pyramd Head's helmet, is in fact, a regular head. None of this hullabaloo about "fleshy bulbs" or masses underneath the helmet
Making images like this with the "bulb of flesh" non-canon:
With this in mind, to this point and the devs credit, the Pyramid Head we see in DBD looks exactly like how he appears in SH 2, just in much, much better quality since SH 2 released in 2001.
I'm not exactly commenting on the question posed in the thread itself, I just wanted to clarify this little tidbit of info. I could be wrong? Not entirely certain, since most Silent Hill / Pyramid Head information seems so opaque and obscure, it's a weird game for sure.
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I've always been interested to know what that lump of flesh was actually there for, other than to accentuate the feeling of pain.
It would be interesting to know if (bearing in mind this considers the maps as part of The Entity) Pyramid Head is performing a torment on The Entity. This trenches look like horrid slices on flesh with infection, and takes a long time to heal. Also, in the videos of the PTB I've seen, if someone dies in The Executioner's cages, I cannot recall The Entity grabbing them. Could it be those cages actually be a real connection with Silent Hill? Could an essence of the survivor then be taken to be tormented there? A little like that Black Mirror episode: U.S.S.Callister.
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Hard to say what its purpose is. One of the original developers said that nobody has got it quite right and he's not telling. Maybe it's leather designed to keep the pyramid on. Maybe it's not supposed to be anything in particular, but rather something for the player to imagine a horrific explanation. Also, I think you're right in saying that Pyramid Head is tormenting the Entity. I used to word "violent" earlier but it's almost sadomasochistic in nature, which makes the Entity's willingness to tolerate such a being very interesting. Some killers it dominates, other killers seem to dominate it.
As far as the cages are concerned, yes I believe they are a connection to Silent Hill. !SPOILERS!: While Pyramid Head is often associated with cages in various artwork there is one more direct connection to make: Mary. The Cages that Survivors are placed into are almost exactly the same as Mary's cage at the end of the game.
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I thought as much about thoae cages! I did wonder with Pyramid Head's Mori why it's a tentacle of barbed wire, and not that cage - sacrifice the survivor as it did Maria.
Eitherway, it says something that Pyramid Head is torturing anything and everything, with no regards for survivor or The Entity!
Wouldn't it be interesting if The Entity gained Pyramid Head, but in effect infected itself with a portion of the magic within Silent Hill. The Executioner has nothing for The Entity to feed on. It just torments. Effectively, whilst everyone else within is sustinance, Pyramid Head is just a virus.
The only other we know who faced The Entity was Evan MacMillan, and unfortunately his humanity made him much easier for The Entity to surpress (although, fair play to Evan, at least he made an effort!)
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this is a pretty solid theory, i like it!
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I hadn't thought about it until you mentioned it, but the Entity actively assists Pyramid Head during his Moris. Pyramid Head isn't telekinetic or anything, so the Mori involves a fragment of the Entity heaving up from the ground to bind the Survivor before being executed. A Mori is like the Entity's tacit approval to kill. Pyramid Head can kill using Torment, but by using a Mori he's not subverting the Entity's system. It's almost like the Entity is fond of Pyramid Head. The relationship between the two is, perhaps ironically, a lot like the relationship between James and Maria. Fitting too, given what Maria truly was.
Pyramid Head not having anything to feed off of though? Not sure about that. If he truly is James he has become his guilt and is now obsessed with inflicting punishment on others. He would be an endless font of sorrow and rage, which reminds me of the Spirit. If he's not actually James then you might be right: Silent Hill has infected The Entity after a fashion. But Pyramid Head being the torment is interesting, it would imply the Entity feels guilty for being alive. 🤔
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It does open up some interesting details about the level of consciousness of The Entity. Why does The Entity specifically feed off emotions? How did this thing come into being? Bizaarly, this chapter - despite being a franchise and not homegrown into the lore - probably shows a lot more about The Entity's existence than was ever disclosed before. Bearing in mind Cheryl's ability to manipulate The Entity to assist her, Silent Hill is a lot stronger than I forst gave thought to!
And good point about how Pyramid could be fed off. I guess my thinking was that, once James Sunderland shed the burden of guilt and accepted his weakness, both Pyramid Heads sacrificed themselves, having no longer a purpose. With that in mind, it has nothing else to symbolise, so if it continued afterwards The Executioner has no need for his guilt and is therefore an empty vessel, in terms of emotions.
HOWEVER, if - like The Entity - it continued to exist because of guilt from anyone,.. well, maybe it either parasitically feeds off The Entity and those within, or has a way of feeding on emotions The Entity can't access, and acts as a symbiote. Either way, I think the only reason Pyramid Head is a Killer here is because it agreed. If it didn't, I am not sure whether The Entity would have been able to take it.
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The funny thing about the Pyramid Pair is that they are defeated by James' admission of guilt. They appeared because he repressed his own emotions and died because he accepted those emotions along with the memories attached to them. Based on the conversations and events in several of the endings I don't think he wholly let go of that guilt. Instead he accepted it so it could be confronted. In Water he surrenders to it. From there I think it would make sense if he became that guilt, and then the monster itself.
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Come release of next chapter queue all the "OMG PAY 2 WIN FREE MORI INSTANT TELEPORT TO HOOK VIA CAGE OF ATTONEMENT AND RANGED ATTACH THAT CAN GO THROUGH STUFF" crying.
Sigh.
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it's kinda like Michael Myers, he and PH do that they feel like, if PH wants to sit in the basement twiddling his thumbs then it makes perfect canonical sense, seeing as he does what he wants
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Alright... I'm officially lost again. Rip
Screw Silent Hill: its opaque story, and obscure thematic concepts, symbolism, and character design.
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