So devs yall kinda...lied hardcore when talking about the store.
So I kinda wanna hear an official statement on why you guys lied when it came to announcing the store? You guys claimed "Cosmetics would be 20% purchase only and you can earn 80% with shards!" Well I did the math for each character when it came to shard cosmetics and cell only
Dwight: 30% of cosmetics are cells only
Meg: 40% of cosmetics are cells only
Claudette: 33% of cosmetics are cells only
Jake: 33% of cosmetics are cells only
Nea: 31% of cosmetics are cells only
Ace: 38% of cosmetics are cells only
Feng: 31% of cosmetics are cells only
David: 27% of cosmetics are cells only
Kate: 21 or 28% (I own all of kate's and couldn't remember if tokyo headliner was shards or not) of cosmetics are cells only
Adam: 16% of cosmetics are cells only
Jeff: 15% of cosmetics are cells only
Jane: 28% of cosmetics are cells only
Yui: 16% of cosmetics are cells only
Zarina: 25% of cosmetics are cells only
And thats just survivors. Now this shows all except 3 survivors are well over the 20% mark with the earlier survivors having a huger difference than the newer ones. Now lets move onto killers.
Trapper: 30% of cosmetics are cells only
Wraith 21% of cosmetics are cells only
Hillbilly: 46% of cosmetics are cells only
Nurse: 31% of cosmetics are cells only
Hag: 28% of cosmetics are cells only
Doctor: 29% of cosmetics are cells only
Huntress: 55% of cosmetics are cells only
Clown: 57% of cosmetics are cells only
Spirit: 26% of cosmetics are cells only
Legion: 30% of cosmetics are cells only
Plague: 23% of cosmetics are cells only
Oni: 25% of cosmetics are cells only
Deathslinger: 18% of cosmetics are cells only.
So it seems overall the more popular a character is the more cell only cosmetics they'll have which is kinda dumb since you guys said yourself only 20% of cosmetics would be cell only.
Now you can say "Well they meant 20% of ALL cosmetics would be cell only!" Well luckily I did the math on that too. Out of the 401 outfits in the game and there is 122 cells only cosmetics (discluding liscensed character cosmetics btw) which means 30% of cosmetics are cells only. "Its only 10% its not that big of a difference." well actually a 42 outfit difference so it technically is. Point is BHVR add more shards only cosmetics it 100% will not kill you I promise.
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I don't care for exactness on the 20/80 split. But for characters like Huntress, Hillbilly, Clown, & Ace, they deserve more shard-purchaseable outfits. Potentially, they could open up some older cosmetics to become shard-purchaseable. They should also stop focusing so hard on outfits for the same few characters. Like Yui is relatively new & already has more cosmetics than Adam. They should give underplayed characters a bit of love to entice people to start playing them more, though from a business standpoint I guess you would want to give love to the most popular characters.
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Well I don't mind some of the fancier cosmetics being cells only its reaching the point on several killers were anything good looking requires cells.
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I think that's because they know no one plays Adam but everyone plays Yui
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I stopped buying cosmetics, rift passes and not getting the new dlc when it drops.
The game and devs have let me down a lot, mind you I like the game but I also like a lot of issues on both sides of the player base to be addressed so until I see some actual fixes and not just a soon and i am not spending.
Mind you I still will never support the rift passes feel greedy.
I spent a lot of cash on this game over the past few years on all the dlc, cosmetics and the two rift passes. The free track is an empty joke and the charms are garbage and a waste of cash.
I feel ya on the lack of shard cosmetics and it's a shame but I understand they need to make money but I highly doubt they are hurting money wise with 4 major platforms worth of whales spending money on all this stuff.
Feels greedy, looks greedy, is greedy. Dems the facts.
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dont buy cosmetics if you feel betrayed....
as long as there are no gamerelevant items in the shop im happy.
spending some bucks on a game i can play for thousands of hours is perfectly fine for me
you can get everything for free, except for the licenced charakters and some skin,, seems to be a fair monetisation for me
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Yeah true. Yui came into the game as Feng Min 2.0 & really popped off with the anime fans/weebs of the community. But Adam has always been meh to play as because he never really had any good cosmetics. He has maybe 2 currently that are decent, while Yui is given outfits that got Asain culture lovers going uwu. XD
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That statement was likely accurate in June 2018. They also haven't given a % goal since then plans change over time.
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Long post but worth to read! Thank you! 😊
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I think that was only for the store at its launch.
The biggest problem with the store is the prices. I wouldn’t mind having more than 20% of the store be cell-only cosmetics if they weren’t ten dollars a piece! You can buy two new characters for that price. Even the shard cosmetics are too expensive. 13k shards can get you one new character and 21k can get you two. There’s no way a new character should be worth less than a damn skin. All cell prices should be restricted to 500 or under (there are exceptions like licensed character cosmetics, those should be 700 cells), shard prices should be 5,000 or under, and we should be able to choose how many cells we buy ($1 = 100 cells) so you aren’t left over with hundreds of pointless cells if you buy a cheaper cosmetic. Who wants to spend $5 on a default outfit recolor because there is no cheaper option?
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Eh, does it really matter that much? You said it yourself on your post, but I still think a 10% difference is negligible. Unless that statement was followed by "...We will stick to this percentages as accurately as possible", we can infer that when people say "80% of x, 20% of y" implies "x will grossly outnumber y", and they do. Its a figure of speech, just like saying "Im 99% sure" means "Im certain of this, but dont blame me if it goes wrong". Not everything has to be exact math, especially when it comes to communication.
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Cell prices are far too much for how much dlc is in the game tbh. I get that they need money but a game thats about $200 just to get all the dlc and buy the game is just really greedy.
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200$? i bought dbd for 7 bucks and all the licensed dlcs with 3-4 bucks and some unlicensed dls with 3.5 bucks. Not even close to 200. You have lots and lots of websites like g2a, kinguin etc.. where you can buy games and dlc at half the price.
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Personally I don't mind the 10% difference at all. Heck, I wouldn't care if 50% or even 100% of all cosmetics were premium only. We're not entitled to free stuff.
What irks me is that they lied.
Like, it would have cost them nothing to either be honest and stick to what they said or just not tell us that only 20% of the outfits would be premium. The fact that they just went back on what they said because it was convenient upsets me.
It's just cosmetics right now, but still - lying is lying.
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Wouldnt trust those sites, they tend to steal from the devs more by using stolen credit card details.
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Well, there are sellers and buyers, you gotta buy from trusted sellers who sold lots of products.
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YES!!! Thats my exact point! While I would like more 'free' cosmetics I wouldn't mind if they had made them purchase only but its because they constantly assured us it would only be 20% is what bugs me! Especially on characters like Meg who have I think 6 or 9 Ultra rares and only 1 of them is shards purchase.
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Yeah I kinda agree since characters are $5-$8 but purple outfits are $10-$15
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There's a big difference between "lied" and "changed their minds". According to @BBQnDemogorgon, the statement regarding the split was made two years ago. Are they not allowed to change their minds? They also had no plans for crossplay, if I'm not mistaken, but I don't hear anyone complaining that they "lied" about that.
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Oh yeah 100%. Especially characters with over 30% purchase only cosmetics.
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You are actually serious aren't you?
See this is why the devs never want to tell us anything anymore. Every statement they make gets dissected and if it doesn't turn up to be 100% accurate people just throw the lying card
I'm sorry but if you concider this lying, then you're going to meet a lot of "liars" in your life
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This also cuts both ways as people are going to hold the devs to what they have said in the past because they refuse to let us know what's actually going on currently.
So if we only have outdated information on the situation and the devs refuse to update the player base its on them for situations like this.
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It really doesn't, no, because if the devs update people with something different (because they changed their minds, as is common in any project), they'll still be accused of "lying".
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Idk, a little bit of common sense is al it needs to realise that a statement that was made 2 years ago might not completly be relevent now
Just to reiterate, someone took the time to completly calculate the ratio of free/paid cosmetics to compare to, once a again, a statement made 2 years ago only to find out that *gasp* after all that time the numbers aren't 100% accurate with that statement anymore to then proceed to make a post over how they and i quote "hardcore lied to us"
This feels like it could be space coconut's newest video with how far reaching it goes to bash the devs for no real reason
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Profits over Ethics.
Every company does it, BHVR's mistake was saying anything public.
They should just go in the dark and not update anyone on issues like these.
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This is a moot point because the devs didn't update this statement.
Also there's a difference between "something we were going to implement can't be right now due to technical issues" or "we've scrapped this idea in favor of something else" and "we're going to make more premium content than we originally said we would". Making more things exclusively premium isn't the same as the natural changes that a project undergoes during it's lifecycle.
Again this isn't the end of the world or that big of a deal, but don't you find at least a little concerning that they just didn't do what they said they would?
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I am not overly agreeing with them lying(I just think some killers just need new shard items even if they are just recolors of cell only ones) but leaving people in the dark for years after making a statement like that is one of the best way of getting yourself accused.
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The devs said that killers weren't supposed to speak, but then we got Adiris, who's very chatty in the lobby! More lies and deception!
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It doesn’t even matter, the prices are really cheap soo
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Saying one thing and doing another is lying. It's just cosmetics: it's not that big of an issue - but that doesn't mean I have to like it.
And if something is subject to change they shouldn't say anything. It's a mistake they've made multiple times because they're an indie dev team and it does tend to get people really riled up.
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If they don't say anything, people complain that they're not answering their questions and accuse them of dishonesty just the same. No matter what the devs do, people will accuse them of being dishonest, almost like they're arguing in bad faith and just want to "prove" that the devs are dishonest out of sheer spite.
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I'm not sure what you are expecting them to do then? do they need to everytime a new cosmetic is revealed make a post about the new and updated ratio between free/paid? If they make a paid cosmetic do they have to wait to release it till they have 4 free ones to not scew up the ratio?
You would have a point if it was about something more serious or if the numbers were drasticly different but as it stands this feels like a case of quarantine boredom rather then an actual complaint
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I don't mind them changing their policy. The statement was accurate back when the shop came out. My only issue is how they're focusing on making new cosmetics instead of recoloring some of the older ones. I'd really want to see more recolors, like Fengs cardigan. Probably wouldn't be too much work and would help with the original free/paid cosmetics ratio policy they originally had.
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Yea and those people look bad because they're being told "we can't say anything further at this time" and are whining that that's not the answer they wanted or complaining because they have some stupid vendetta against BHVR.
While if BHVR says one thing to make people happy and then does something else (you know, if they're ACTUALLY dishonest) because they can't really do what they said, BHVR is the one that looks bad.
But sure, any one who says something negative is the same as just whining for the sake of whining.
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Friendly piece of advise: that kind of black/white thinking has the potential to chase many people away from you.
If you make people afraid to talk to you because of how their statement might change in the future then you'll suddenly find yourself being left out of everything. Speaking from personal experience
Rationalizing is important. There is a big difference between outright lying and making a statement that is not 100% accurate 2 years into the future
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I’ve been saying this for the longest time. Shards take quite a bit of playtime to accumulate anyways, so why make so many cosmetics auric cells only? It’s not like people will be able to get every cosmetic with shards.
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Agreed, also to the OP they didn’t necessarily lie if that was their initial intention. Companies change their kind and business model all the time doesn’t mean they lied, thats probably what they originally intended.
Anyways to each his own but why do people need 5-6 outfits for each killer, I’m sure by now they all have 1 you like just get that and be done.
Also as a killer cosmetics are only for the survivor to see which is odd, all I get to see from my favorite killer outfits is the weapon
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I think you'd be surprised. There are people who play this game a LOT.
Thank you for the advice, I'm sorry that you know that first hand too.
I really do appreciate the thought, but there's a difference between a company saying something to a large group and making plans to go somewhere with a friend.
And again, I don't think this "hardcore lie" is that big of an issue. Just that it's troubling because they could have done what they said or not said anything.
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I've been here long enough to know that's not the case. No matter what BHVR does, people will complain and say they're being dishonest, or that they're terrible devs, or that they're greedy, no matter how thin (or non-existent) the evidence is.
Too many updates? Complain that they can't play the game and have to wait a few minutes for the updates to download. Too few updates? Complain that bugs take too long to fix.
Say that they're working on thing A and taking approach X? Complain that the approach is bad and that they're stupid and/or greedy. Say they decided to switch to approach Y (as is normal in every single project ever made since the dawn of time, because sometimes you find that approach X is unworkable or that Y is better)? Accuse them of being liars and/or greedy (see this very thread) because approach X was what they originally said.
I didn't say anyone who said something negative was whining for the sake of whining. I'd ask that you refrain from putting words in my mouth in the future.
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You’re right to be upset, but this kind of thing puts all companies in a tough spot not just BHVR. They can tell you their plans and ideas, but then if anything ever changes you can bet people in this day and age will dig out a photo of them “lying.” Or they can just keep their plans to themselves and consumers get mad there is “no communication.”
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This guy gets it! In an ideal world BHVR could say, we will release exactly 1 killer, map and survivor every 90 days. They will cost 4.99 forever and we will also release 1 outfit for each character each year.
But things happen, anyone who’s owned a business or even worked on a project for their job know things never work out like planned.
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Congrats you've HIGHLY missed the point. And no this isn't quarantine boredom this is something I've wanted to do for a while and its not just that they lied. Its that they STRESSED to us the entire thing that only 20% would be purchase only when in reality its 30% and that 30% isn't a low number its literally 42 separate outfits which is over $400 worth of cosmetics more than needed. It kinda is a big deal when the entire center point of the store was "It would only be 20%" so that way we wouldn't be worried especially cause almost ALL characters are well over the 20% mark especially Meg who has the most cosmetics.
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I dont believe they're greedy by any means. I just wish they hadn't made the very vocal point of "It'll only be 20% dont worry!" then completely gone back on that.
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This isn't a plan or idea that can get easily interrupted this is a very minor and minuscule action that takes no time except a few clicks to change.
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Just for the record, so we're all operating on accurate information, here is exactly what they said when they released the Store:
"When Chapter 8 releases, we are creating 4 different “tiers” of outfits (common, uncommon, rare, very rare). All the outfits are accessible with Auric Cells and about 80% of them are unlockable with Iridescent Shards. And you always get to buy exactly what you want."
Notice they say that about 80% of the outfits are unlockable with shards. Present tense. In other words, they're talking about the cosmetics available when the Store was released, and no promises for the future were made regarding pricing. I can understand why some people may have interpreted it differently, and if you want to argue that more cosmetics should be available for shards that's fine, but in context it doesn't look to me like they "lied" about anything.
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Plans change. As others have said, those figures were probably the approximate intention when the store launched, but that was years ago, and it's ridiculous to think they're handcuffed to that until the end of time. Plus, these are just cosmetics. People get so angry at any company that dares to make a profit off of their work.
These are benign luxury items in a video game that you are getting because they look neato, not price-gouged sneakers made by underpaid laborers in some third-world factory. The in-game shop exists primarily to sell you things, that you buy with real money. You aren't being forced to, and you're not missing out on any part of the game experience -- other than playing dress-up -- by not buying them.
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Cheap? You've got to be kidding me.
One new character is 500 cells (or $5). A typical new cosmetic (not a recolor) is 1080 cells ($10). Yes, I know that some of them are only 700-ish cells but we can't buy that many cells, forcing us to spend $10 for them. They are also only released with new characters. New cosmetics for past characters have always been 1080 cells (except for a couple back in 2018 when the shop was still new). You can buy TWO new characters for 1080 cells instead of an outfit. Let that sink in. An outfit costs more than one new character and the same as two characters in a $30 game. The current asking price for the non-recolor cosmetics is pretty expensive. It's the same thing with shards (21.9k for a cosmetic, 9k for a character, 18k for two characters), only you can't buy them.
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the skins are just cosmetics, they wont give u advantage in game why are u complaining so much? still most skins acan be purchased with shards even if that will take lots of hours of grind due being all of them so damn expensive. but i agree in one aspect, the older skins shouild be buyable with shards.
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"When Chapter 8 releases, we are creating 4 different “tiers” of outfits (common, uncommon, rare, very rare). All the outfits are accessible with Auric Cells and about 80% of them are unlockable with Iridescent Shards. And you always get to buy exactly what you want."
Thank you for sharing the information @Fibijean
So from the direct quote we see they never said 80% will be free and 20% will be paid, they said about 80% and as Fijejean already mentioned, it was present tense so ir only aplies to when the store was released. They didn't as you so nicely put in all caps STRESS anything
Either you inderstood this and you just manipulating and twisting someone's words to make them look bad.
Or you didn't and the only person who lied here was your teacher when she said you passed second grade reading class.
Either way, congrats you've highly wasted your time
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Can we also mention that some of the best cosmetics take literally 2 characters worth of shards to get. Having the average player take literal, and I mean literal months to grind enough just for 1 outfit. Patches come out more often than that. Heck, cosmetic packs come out wayyy more often than that.
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