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Curious
I'm very curious about what the devs plan to do with Legion. Will they continue trying to tweak them or completely rework them?
Recently finished a game playing as Legion and it's still just as frustrating. With Clown having been buffed recently Legion may very well be the weakest killer. Bubba might be close but he isn't as bad with pwyf
Taking into account how much they have been tweaked already I'm guessing the next big step is a rework. Personally, it's exciting thinking about Legion getting the Freddy treatment.
So, what's everyone think? Rework or further tweaks?
If they are reworking them should they double down on that? Or, continue trying to tweak them/make less frustrating until the rework is done?
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They stated they dont plan to rework or even tweak Legion in the near future. And they said Legion performs pretty balanced compared to other killers according to their statistics.
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i honestly dont think Legion is that bad of a killer.
yeah he isnt great and he does get outshined by many others, but his ability to slow the game down should not be underestimated.
i dont think a rework is necessary at all at the moment - a few smaller buffs however would be nice, such as shortening the fatigue or increasing the Freal Frenzy time / recovery speed (or, ya know, removing the aspect that you lose half of your power just for hitting someone).
also id say the punishment he receives for missing a swing in FF is a little much - getting broken out of your power? fine. but immediately losing all your power at once aswell as being broken out of it? thats a little harsh imo.
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Slowing the game down does very little when it comes to actually fulfilling the killer's objective which is.... To kill the survivors. Otherwise they are just m1 killers. Even Trapper and Wraith have more going for them despite also being m1 killers.
It seems that hardly anybody actually plays as Legion which should say a lot. Which brings up another question. How do they know Legion is fine if the sample size is so small?But, if they think Legion is fine then what can we do?
To me, they seem to be in a very bad place. There have been a few members of the forum who said they enjoy Legion but the feeling I get is they are the vocal minority. Maybe, I just need to accept that I don't like Legion and just ignore them. That'd be a shame though.
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i get matched regularly against Legion though, doesn’t seem that rare to me.. maybe thats a regional/time thing?
we are really not in a place to say the statistics are not enough or they are, we kinda have to trust the devs here..
they can’t really reveal statistics because even then, people will twist it in ways to show their opinion was right all along.
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slowing the game down is one of the most important aspects of this game. Without a decent game slow down you are going to get all the gens done in a matter of only a few minutes.
the legion, when combined with Thanatophobia, is really good at this, as survivors are now forced to eigther be oneshot and work slowly, or to heal up and waste tons of time, especially due to how easy it actually is for Legion to get them injured again.
their chase ability is also rather basic, but you can see them as a killer with a constant instadown. as legion there very rarely ever is someone healthy in front of you - and if they are you press M2 and get them injured immediately, aswell as receiving a positionreveal of everyone around you. so basically every chase you do is against injured players, meaning you can instadown anyone.
also lets not forget their small playmodel! thats something thats being overlooked a lot, yet this really helps at mindgaming survivors.
they are definitely not the best killer, they are at best mid tier, but they are still not a horribly bad killer and i would rank both Bubba and Clown beneath them.
you should definitely go and watch Otzdarva play them a bit - he is actually really good at Legion (and watching his gameplay did change my mind about this killer aswell - prior to this i did share your opinion)
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Legion is only good if survivors are stupid. For example, grouping up, self-care in corner, hiding around corner when i can see them through killer instinct, etc. (This is common even in red rank)
Versus experienced survivors? You may as well drop his power completely and play like m1 killer
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I watch Otzdarva and even he says Legion is in a bad place... They are definitely not mid tier.
It's surprising to hear someone say they go against Legion regularly.
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The way you try to talk about the positives of Legion reminds me of how people talked about old Freddy. He was an awful killer but some people managed to develop a play style with him and did well. Despite that niche he was still considered the weakest.
Some people might be able to do well with a killer but that doesn't mean they are in a good spot. If a person understands the mechanics of the game well enough they could be great as any role and any killer such as Tru3, Otzdarva, and Monto.
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Yeah, I use Legion regularly and I can reliably 4k and get Iri emblems with them.
I feel I should mention that I'm usually an 11 to 13 Killer though but I do face single digit ranking players often.
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It's harder to rank as killer because they are alone while It's easier to rank as survivor because they can be carried by their team. That causes there to be a wide skill margin between red rank survivors.
For example, any survivors lower than purple rank are usually pretty easy for me even as weaker killers.
In short, any killer can seem good against bad survivors.
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i never claimed he'd be good. all i said was that, AT BEST, he can make it to mid tier, implying that even with the best possible loadout for him he can not make it past mid tier, which is really bad - especially when considering how deadly certain other killers can get when using their strongest build. for example a pinky finger clown or a speed add ons bubba can be pretty good, but legion cant. he is rather cosistent in the low to low mid tier he usually gets placed in.
there are some striking differences between these two characters, the most noticable being the RNG aspect old Freddy had, which Legion does not at all have.
I believe that Legion are a much more consistent character than most will aknowlege him for and that he can be pretty good when in the right hands.
the scenario is the same as with nurse: nurse is the strongest killer and she has been acknowledged as such by the community, yet unexperienced nurses get easily stomped. the only difference here is, that Legion has not been acknowledged as the decent killer he actually is, as most people tend to underestimate his abilities or lack the general skill required to play him well.
cause if one isnt a good M1 killer, they wont be able to play as Legion.
Legions main power lies in having everyone injured and being able to mindgame more easily, making for a really deadly combo when done right, but being ultimately useless when you are lacking in one of these aspects.
i am fully aware that the opinion i have of this killer is very different to the opinion most have of him, though i do believe to be right, due to having quite a lot of experience in playing this Killer and doing consistently well, aswell as seeing others paly him well.
none of this means that they were a good killer though - al i am saying is that their power is fine the way it is and does not require a full on rework to be better, just a couple of buffs here and there - which ties back into the original question of "do you want Legions power to get fully reworked or would some tweaks here and there be enough?" - my answer is that a few small buffs are enough.
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