So another skin that can't be mixed?
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I mean cool that they're making them as a set if that's how they're intended, but they're still the last thing I'd buy as the customization is limited.
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So then why wasn't Bunny feng included in this? How come the one cosmetic which was delayed for 2 years, isn't locked in a set?
It's gives off money grabbing vibes.
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Yeah, i won't be purchasing full sets where we can't switch out different pieces.
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I like the linked sets but I want to see more compelling designs. So far even the bunny isn't super exciting and looks like it could be a three piece set.
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Well it was probably part of Konami's agreement that any part of his characters designs can't be split up. Including the knife.
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I think that they should allow pieces that COULD stay as one separate piece, separate.
Like Nea's pants for example. There is virtually no reason it couldn't stay as a separate piece... even if it was designed as one whole 3D model, they could separate it within the 3D program, it's just a bit more work.The hood from the waist up could be it's own piece.
Sometimes people love to mix and match because there are parts of the outfit they don't like. That's a HUGE part of DBD and it gives it some sense of freedom in terms of customization. So I feel that people will not be as inclined to purchase witth 0 customization.
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Honestly why? I like the trousers and the hoodie but I hate masks (since they indicate "toxic" to me). I would have considered buying it, but now? No chance.
I can understand it if it is for a licensed character, but Nea?
Please don't make only sets now. I would like to have all the options to customize my character.
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Also, the new Nea outfit still clips on its own so the argument that you bind cosmetics because it reduces clipping. And why don't you just combine the head and top cosmetics? The pants don't seem to be an issue.
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Oh yeah I forgot it's a licensed cosmetic so that's fair.
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I think the reason why they made it so the pants can't be split is because the hoodie drapes over them. It prevents the hoodie from being able to clip with other pants.
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i mean the reasoning behind is obvious guys is on you to support it or not i already know what im gonna do.
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Or it's a easier way to make money since you can't just buy the piece you want and are forced to buy a full set.
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Yup, was going to buy this until they pulled this cosmetic set bullshit. It's a shame because I really like how this looks, oh well, guess I saved $10.
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Which makes sense, that's why things like flowy capes and even hair require a rigging process. So as I said it would have required a bit more work, but it's not an impossible task.
I just think it's a weird design choice when 100% of the costumes have been sold as separate pieces. I'm not shocked people are reacting to it.
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And yet clipping issues still exist, this is not a good excuse for why you are limiting cosmetics so hard. Make them separated, so what if there are clipping issues, never stopped you before. The whole point of buying a cosmetic is to be able to CUSTOMIZE it, without that there's no point and I'm not going to be buying them.
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I really really hope they don’t go overboard with these sets.... I know that for me personally I will be MUCH less inclined to buying set cosmetics so they would really have to wow me in order for me to consider it.
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Same, like for Aleesa. I LOVE the head piece, it makes me so mad I can't use it separately.
I'm really afraid something like that will happen in the future. I'm not excited about these sets. If it's a different character model sure, otherwise I'm afraid.
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Oh I won't be buying any of them, I really like this new Nea outfit but I'm not buying it because of the fact that I have to use the whole set. It's really ######### dumb and I can't believe that anyone on the design team thought this was a good idea. Literally no one cares about clipping issues, they've existed since the game first started so why care about them now? All it does is make every linked cosmetic worse, and this whole thread can agree. Just unlink the cosmetics Behavior, we are not buying into this terrible idea.
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The least they can do is let us use the head and pants on other outfits, the hoodie can have issues but again no one cares about clipping as it happens in every game and even with these sets so whats really the point
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I'll say I care about clipping depending on the severity. If there's a piece I really like that clips badly with another, I want that fixed ASAP as my OCD goes crazy. If it's a small issue it doesn't bother me although I try to always report clipping issues.
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If anything it will generate less money :/
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Right, but there are cosmetics that have had clipping issues for YEARS that they've never fixed; and adjusting this Nea and Cheryl's cosmetics slightly to make them not clip too much wouldn't be that hard.
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Zarina has a top that drapes over her pants. I wear it with my p3 pants and don't experience clipping.
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Yes but if I remember correctly, that top only drapes in the back mostly. Plus Zarina doesn't have as many pants options as Nea. I'm not saying it's impossible for them to do it, I'm just trying to see their perspective on why they might've restricted the pants.
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I understand that but I personally would only want Legendary skins to be sets. Not being able to mix and match outfits is taking away from actually customizing our characters. If Bunny Feng was a 3 piece set, why can't Nea's be one?
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I saw someone else ask that question and Peanits simply said it was because that outfit was created before they developed cosmetic sets.
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I guess. However, Bunny Feng would've been considered a set if it was released later and they still were able to make it 3 pieces.
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If they wanna do dresses and such, they still can that in a similar way they handle killer cosmetics. You might notice that different killer cosmetics handle different sections of the body. Hillbilly's tops handle his entire top half of his bottle for example while Plague's tops just change her crown and not even her face. If they wanted to do a dress like you said, theres no reason to make it unable to be used with different hair. They could just make it take up the middle cosmetic slot and either cover up the shorts or whatever that you have equiped or maybe even take up 2 slots.
I can understand why this outfit is 1 piece, although it still makes 0 sense for the hair for example
There is no reason though why I cant mix the jeans from THIS outfit with a different T shirt
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The fact that you cant just USE the piece ya want kinda ruins it for alot of people. Sometimes I just want the hair, but if I HAVE to use it with the outfit assigned to it...I'm just not gonna use it. If it was sold as a bundle but equip-able separately you'd have a point, but only being able to equip it as a set is driving people away from getting it.
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Yeah, agree 100%, removing customization is one of the dumbest things they've done.
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I could understand SOME outfits requiring multiple cosmetic spots depending on the piece. If you had a dress for example, that would take up the top and bottom. I could see that using 2 slots with you free to pick the hair of your choice.
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Yeah, but that'd be a rare instance; all the cosmetics that they've forced into sets could EASILY be separated into 3 pieces (even Lisa, although I'd be Ok with her staying a set due to her being a different character). But oh well their loss, I just won't buy these cosmetics if I can't customize them.
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I'm really loving the responses in this thread.
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I'm gonna disagree with that. While its true many could be broken apart...
This is a dress... I could understand the hair being seperate, but the dress itself needs to be able to cover the top and the bottom.
This is the new Nea cosmetic and the problem HERE is the jacket has a hood. That jacket is interacting with both the head and the top of her torso. While you MAY be able to make the claim that she should be able to mix and match a different pair of pants in, swapping out the head here would either result in no hood (which would be weird) or hair sticking out through the back of the hood.
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You could separate Alyssa's dress, it lines up with her other shirts and there is a perfect division line at the belt. As for the nea cosmetic, you could do one of three things:
1) Make the hair the only part of the head, meaning that you could still have the hood up and swap it out for whatever head piece you want.
2) Pull a Bunny Feng and make the hood its own separate piece (which the Nea head already looks like it's separate).
3) Simply make the hoodie be pulled down and just rest at the neck, or alternatively, have the hoodie down only for cosmetics that would clip too much.
They really could have easily made any cosmetic so far into 3 pieces, they just refuse to do so.
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You COULDNT use other hair with this hood due to clipping. Alternate hair with this hood would clip straight through it. You'd have a ponytail sticking out the back.
As for the hood being a stand alone cosmetic like Bunny Feng... I'd argue it shouldnt even be a thing for Bunny Feng.
The ends of this that SHOULD connect with the rest of the outfit looks like its defying gravity and just looks bad.
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But the Nea head doesn't have those tassels, plus Nea's has a clear division line that could make it easy to separate; or alternatively you could go with the third option where all other heads (if they don't want to put the work in to check each of her heads) would just take the hood off and put it by her neck.
Plus Nea has no ponytails, the most she has is hats, which could again be easily worked around if the hood counted as a part of the head or if it came off when another headpiece is equipped.
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Nea DOES have cosmetics with long hair. Might not be pony tails, but it would have the same issue.
You also cant expect the devs to create 2 versions of the same cosmetic, one worn up vs worn down.
My comments about Feng's hood btw wasnt so much about the tassels but the white cloth in front. Its pretty gravity defying at the bottom since its SUPPOSE to be joining with the rest of the outfit there. Since its not, this looks very odd.
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The problem with that logic is you have the option of wearing everything together to avoid clipping. There's nothing put in place that would screw up your styling preferences by having the cosmetic pieces separate.
The reverse however is quite the opposite. Those who want to wear pieces separately and can do so without clipping being an issue with them by all logic should be able to do so. But this makes that impossible with this cosmetic and quite likely a number to come. I'm willing to bet $100 that pieces of this set could be used separately with other cosmetics to make some really neat outfits if it was possible, but now we'll never be able to see.
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Yeah I’m really bummed that It seems sets are gonna be common place. Mix and matching is the best part of cosmetics and I don’t think playing $10 for a cosmetic you can’t even customize is a fair price.
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I'm gonna reiterate just so were clear on what I said and you let me know if you STILL have a problem with my logic. Cosmetics outfits who's individual pieces would result in obvious clipping if mix and matched SHOULD be tied together. An example being if theres a hood it would look really weird with Feng's pony tail to be sticking out the back.
If theres NOT an issue like that however, I feel like it SHOULDNT be tied together, such as in the picture I posted above with one of Cheryl's outfits.
Theres really no reason why any part of this would have any issues with any outfit combo. Surely you could swap on a different T shirt and it should look just fine.
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The long hair would not create issues, the hair is purposely pulled forward for it NOT to clip and the option of simply counting the hood as part of the head would completely remove that issue. I don't see what you're getting at with the Feng hoodie if it's not the tassels, it looks fine to me. If the devs DID go with the whole "2 positions" idea it wouldn't be difficult, it's a minor change that would keep the cosmetic the same; and when the change is that basic, I would think that they'd be able to do so (especially seeing as it costs $10).
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No, they shouldn't be tied together because of possible clipping issues. Just because one of my shirts could look absolutely ridiculous with one of my pairs of pants doesn't mean that particular shirt should always be worn with only one particular pair of pants. I just shouldn't wear the shirt with the pants that makes it look ridiculous. If you don't like the clipping combination, then don't use it. Don't invalidate every possible good looking combination just because bad combinations exists.
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I think this is one of the biggest times when "speak with your wallet" comes into play.
If you don't want this nonsense of linked skins, then don't pay for them. The idea that this set can't be broken up is laughable. It's a hoodie which we've already seen split on Bunny Feng, and a pair of pants.
At the VERY worst, rather than this "linked skin" for the whole set, they could at least create linked slots so you can only wear the full hoodie but can change the pants.
Point is, as long as player choice in something as simple as mixing and matching outfits is removed, a lot of the value of those cosmetics is lost, so don't give them money for doing this and make it a harder decision for them to KEEP doing it.
Make it clear that trying to squeeze us for $10 for a full set with LESS functionality every time they drop cosmetics will LOWER their profits not raise them.
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having 2 positions ISNT keeping the cosmetic the same though. Doing a color swap is a smaller change than what your suggesting. Having a seperate model with the hood down would be the equal as making an entirely new cosmetic. As far as the Nea hair thing, we can argue whether specific hair styles would be problamatic, but it still leaves room for problems in general. Although she might not CURRENTLY have a ponytail for example, does that mean we should act as if she'll NEVER get one. Or that characters that DO have ponytails or similar hairstyles with long hair in the back should be excluded from getting hood cosmetics in the future. I'm not saying ALL cosmetics should be lumped, just the ones that we're stuck with trying to figure out how this could TECHNICALLY work.
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Then make it part of the head like Bunny Feng, it worked there and this Nea head could work even better than Feng's because of the better division line.
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Yeah see that's the funny part, we have notqueen replying that it's so that we get better seamless outfits when it still clearly has seams.
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Legion has an outfit that has a hood on the body piece(really pisses me off because I wanted the hood to be attached to the mask). To be fair hair doesn't really stick up with them the way it does with Nea, but they could make the hood slightly higher and sort of drape over rather than hug her forehead, or make her not wear the hood. Personally to me the outfit is ugly anyways and I wouldn't have gotten it regardless.
Nea with a ponytail? No she'll just get 20 more side shaves just like Meg.
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Well I’m also going to add that if you wear just the head piece of the Bunny Feng outfit, it’s passable as a hat because it has the hoodie’s strings attached to it and it doesn’t actually connect with the jacket. With the new Nea cosmetic, having a detached hood would look so strange because it’s connected to the body piece. (With a clear line but I’ve never seen anyone just wear a hood, you know?)
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Yuuuuuuuuup or the fact that it supposedly "cuts down on clipping issues" when they still exist, have always existed, and will continue to exist (even on these bullshit linked cosmetics). Their reasoning for doing this linking is poor at best and doesn't justify the terrible decision at all. How and why anyone thought this was a good idea outside of Legacy cosmetics (which still shouldn't be restricted imo) baffles my mind.
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