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Billy and server hit validation concerns

immortalls96
immortalls96 Member Posts: 4,652

Ok so, theres been much debate and a large group strongly disliking the bully changes..I being one of them..these are the concerns I found myself having .


With the clips as a base to work from billy will use around half his cd meter just to move around the map even a medium distance, the trouble comes from when you rev, the overheat comes in around 10 seconds or less..so it seems like what will happen is Billy will travel across the map , and have about 60 percent meter filled, you find a survivor and begin the looping and mind gaming..then..you'll likely only be able to use 1 saw before you must wait for a lengthy cooldown lest the saw overheat..this is huge because it adds nothing to Billy and gives artificial chase extension much like a certain other addon pass..plus we can be almost certain Billy's best addons will no longer be around therefore compounding this nerf to higher than youd expect. Even the iri addon previewed is merely one thatll help against potatos but not much else..if the saw functioned as normal outside of a pallet being broken itd perhaps make for some neat plays..but the loss isnt worth the gain by any means..because then survivors will just keep pallet baiting because you cant fake your saw very much without overheating it..and Billy gains nothing from all of this so itll have big rippling effects. Not to mention I honestly feel no feedback will matter in this field as the devs already have dedicated addons to this mechanic and in the 2+ years of playing I've seen 3 ptb recessions..a thana buff, the first attempt at a metal of man rework, and the early testing of movement extrapolation..so not much hope there..Kind of a real bad way to come back to Billy after months of bugs making him unenjoyable..Hopefully we at least get some new chase music.


Then theres my second topic..the vault speed build, the combo of the perks reseliance and spine chill...both of which provide action speed bonuses under easy conditions including vault speeds..the recent buffs to mid vaulting has made these perks far more popular and I feel like the only semblance of balance these perks have is you have to risk early vaults to avoid server lag hits, these perks amplify the safety of any pallet or window significantly and I worry these perks together could be balance shattering if the new systems work as they are intended to..I feel this should be brought up sooner rather than later as it may cause a massive issue if not monitored carefully


That's all I wished to share ,hopefully this patch turns out well..but in my experiance scepticism is best with this game..as it's usually pretty predictable how it will turn out..thank you

Comments

  • Huff
    Huff Member Posts: 1,480

    I find it weird that you say something like "it adds nothing to Billy" when he didn't really need anything added. He's already strong.

    It really depends on how they do the numbers, but I don't imagine it will be the end of good Billy players. It just makes it to where people can't just mindlessly spam chainsaw and pretend they're like an infinite T3 Myers with mobility like a bionic crackhead.

    I do agree with you though that hit validation and the vault speed build make things a bit weird though.

  • immortalls96
    immortalls96 Member Posts: 4,652

    They say hes performing very reasonably yet they add something that will hurt ALL players..its unwise to thi k otherwise..ergo he should receive something so he doesnt potentially drop to underpowered levels which this could easily do if handled poorly..makes no sense to flat nerf a character when swf is more powerful

  • Huff
    Huff Member Posts: 1,480

    It doesn't hurt all players. People who know how to time their saws well won't be affected, while people who mindlessly spam it are going to suffer. It's just like the change they did to Nurse. People didn't need her to have 5 blinks with no cooldown in between because it made it so it didn't matter how much you dodged, and didn't reward skillful gameplay. Same thing with Billy now. He can't just mindlessly use his power and keep infinitely missing and keep coming back from it no matter what.

    He doesn't need anything. If he does "drop to underpowered levels" it's probably going to be due to the fact that people can't play him well. He can end games very quickly if you don't constantly miss, and he has probably the best mobility in the game.

    I'd like for you to give me a good example of how an actual good Hillbilly player is going to be affected by the overheat.

  • immortalls96
    immortalls96 Member Posts: 4,652

    You cant curve as much..curving requires feathering the saw which you cannot reliably do with these changes based on the footage given..that's for one..for two less ability to use the saw is free gen tome..that effects everyone..dbd is a numbers game..you add down time on killers it affects everyone..its naive to believe otherwise

  • Huff
    Huff Member Posts: 1,480

    Except those aren't issues whatsoever if you can hit your saws. Can't curve as much? You can still curve. Hit them and you won't be punished. His mobility isn't being hindered either so your ability to get to gens shouldn't be a problem either.

    It's not naive to think otherwise. I just believe that if you're a good Billy this will barely have an effect on you. Keep calling it things like "naive" though. Love to hear it coming from somebody who thinks that Billy needs more in his kit.

  • immortalls96
    immortalls96 Member Posts: 4,652
    edited July 2020

    Well if you dont take the Time to read and understand why I'm saying what I'm saying then I cant help you with that..I'm saying your naive because your using the "itll only effect you if your bad" argument which is frankly not helpful nor does it really view you as someone who does their own analytical thinking and just follow the easy argument that truthfully has proof stacked against it...I simply wish to shatter that myth

  • Freesham
    Freesham Member Posts: 262

    It would be nice if the false saw thing was fixed. Is it fair that I'm chainsaw sprinting right behind a survivor actively using Sprint Burst, then the chainsaw stops and misses automatically?

  • Huff
    Huff Member Posts: 1,480

    Half the ######### you say here doesn't even make sense. "nor does it really view you as someone who does their own analytical thinking and just follow the easy argument" What? I think I get what you're saying but jeez, barely. Maybe that doesn't help for people who "dont take the Time to read and understand."

    I did read what you said and I simply disagree. You just can't say anything against what I'm saying. You can call me naive all you want but that doesn't change the fact that what I said is true. It is "helpful" because it's me telling you why the change isn't that bad, as you are suggesting. It's me putting out an opposing point of view and if you refuse to see that, you are the naive one. That, or you just aren't looking for an actual discussion.

    That's probably why all you can do is make random statements like that I'm "naive" and "nor does it really view you as someone who does their own analytical thinking and just follow the easy argument..." Acting as if you have "proof stacked against it" or that you wish to shatter a "myth."

    You're delusional if you actually believe the things you're saying: that I'm "naive" or someone who doesn't do "their own analytical thinking" just for trying to tell you that the change isn't going to be that bad if you know how to play Billy. That shows that I'm not those things, while yourself... You aren't making a good case for yourself by just making random asinine statements like that.

  • immortalls96
    immortalls96 Member Posts: 4,652

    Nothing I've said is random..but I see your losing your temper so best we stop here..good luck

  • Huff
    Huff Member Posts: 1,480

    Don't toot your own horn yet, you're not worth any sort of emotional reaction. I simply just think you're delusional if you actually think what you said. All you've done is make random statements like trying to suggest that just because I have a differing opinion from you that it's because I can't think for myself/am parroting a different opinion? Please explain how that is not even somewhat random and out of nowhere.

    Yes, please drop it there. If you aren't actually up for having any sort of discussion, don't bother wasting my time replying. I have plenty I can say about the topic but if you want to talk more about me and not about the one thing that you are crying about, then yeah. Waste of energy, you are.

  • immortalls96
    immortalls96 Member Posts: 4,652
    edited July 2020

    You seem to be upset..not my intention but, I shall drop it here...nothing I said is random..its plain english