stop the camping
i went four rounds in a row and got camped in each one and the killer killed all four of us because there's nothing we can do against it they camp and get thirty thousand bloodpoints because there's no punishment
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there's nothing we can do against it they camp
there's nothing we can do against it they camp
there's nothing we can do against it they camp
there's nothing we can do against it they camp
- there's nothing we can do against it they camp
there's nothing we can do against it they camp
- there's nothing we can do against it they camp
there's nothing we can do against it they camp
there's nothing we can do against it they camp
there's nothing we can do against it they camp
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If the killer got 30k, he didn't camp.
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It is mathematically impossible to get 30k BP while camping. If that happens, it's because your team fed the camper. Stop feeding campers, go rush gens.
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The punishment is getting genrushed into oblivion. The instant you realize the killer is camping, slam the gens. If you're getting camped, learn to loop better so the killer has to work for his camp, with a bit of skill/luck a gen or two will pop before you go down and you'll probably even get off the hook in endgame
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Camping or 30k BP
WHICH ONE IS IT, MAN?!
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While I completely agree that camping is boring, I don't understand how he was able to camp all of you. I assume the Killer was just face camping, right? This is SWF too, right? The 3 other Survivors should just gen rush as fast as possible and deny the Killer additional points/kills! If the Killer can't instadown, you can send one guy with BT over to try to rescue while the other 2 sit on gens. A face-camping Killer should get only 1, maybe 2 kills.
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One of the biggest weakness of swf is extreme altruism. They want the happy end to the horror movie where all 4 run towards the rainbow at the end. This is also the reason that swf don't have a statistically higher Wingate compared to solo (atleast in my mind).
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This is why as a killer I enjoy going against SWF - they bomb the hook before you can even move away and feed you 4 easy hooks when you'd normally have to work for one.
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Yeah, but that feeds their flaming rage against this style of "camping". It is a kind of self fulfilling prophecy.
And every now and then it will be a delta squad and ruin the day of the killer, so I don't like swf myself too much but hey nothing we can do against that.
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Umm I know has probably been said but do gens?
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If I'm doing killer dailies, or trying to do a few killer rounds for faster bp with a killer I have bbq with and I see a red survivor aura especially right off the bat I farm them and assume it's a swf group. I'll literally facecamp them and not take a risk even trying to tunnel because of ds and flashlight shenanigans if I saw those and managed to get them up and hooked safely. When you can be 17-15 and get 1 to 3 red ranks and a low rank survivor with them abusing the matchmaking like that, on top of a voip edge especially abusing a perk like object... expect that to happen sometimes. If you're using object and I get you, I'm sorry if you're an unaware solo not knowing better but you're being assumed a troll and swf and getting facecamped until you suicide on the hook or the stage countdowns getcha since I assume I'm never getting anybody else until you're gone anyways and by that logic don't mind a little round of Ernest Goes to Camp.
😍 Imagine me and you, and you and me, no matter where the object rolls... it has to be. The only one to hook is you, as you see me... so campy together. I can't see me hookin nobody but you... until you're gone. 💔la la la
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stop.
feeding.
campers.
aswell as stop suiciding against them - ffs you are literally dooming your entire team! ;-; (sry thats the one thing i see so often that turns an easy 2 or even 3 man escape into a 4k. please people, LEARN.)
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You have to understand the guy that gets hooked early and facecamped, is literally getting Nothing for wasting 3 minutes of his own time that could be used already being finishing first gen or hitting one up by then in another match. Of course they're gonna suicide in that case.
The other day somebody ran a bubba straight into me at a really bad spot not even half a minute into a match and he literally sat right in my face, and I tapped out since I was gonna get literally nothing but the measely few hundred or so for the gen I was on while also having to deal with my extremely low attention-span on top of how much that idgit ticked me off. Naturally, well before that three minutes of face would have taken to end, I was already on a gen in another match. Maybe that dude shouldn't have leashed his agro off onto me and gotten me facecamped if he wanted 3 teammates (he only had 2 anyways, even if I'd stayed and literally did nothing but twiddle my thumbs for no bloodpoints at all and completely wasted my own time... my own time idgaf about the guy's time that got me facecamped just like he doesn't care about mine for all I know they were even 3 man swf and I was their bait). They should at least give people enough incentive to sit through that for a bunch of total complete strangers over starting a fresh match. Nobody wants to work for free. It makes no sense. The time you spend there, you don't make any bloodpoints at all if it happened too early into the match and might as well move on knowing it's a good chance it's a 2 or 3 man swf happy to have the bait anyways. They didn't even use any cakes except the killer lol, I wouldn't even have gotten 2k bp out of that, which wouldn't have been nearly enough to sit there and put up with that anyways since it happened so early into it.
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Many words in response to your original post, way too many. All you need to know is:
If a killer is camping, ignore it, do gens. Camping is a way for a killer to guarantee that he/she loses the game.
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unless they're facing object and possibly voip swf abusing that perk,t hen it might become the only way to assure you'd ever get anybody else.
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and by doing exactly that, you literally gift them the 4k.
if you wanna do that, go for it. but then dont come here and complain about campers (not saying you would, but there are a LOT of anti camping threats out there).
and dont expect your team (you know, the guys you abandoned and doomed with your decision) to be kind and understanding. you would probaply be the one they come here on the forum to complain about then.
for me, players that do exactly that are the reason why playing solo survivor is a pain in the ace.
i have lost so many games, because someone couldnt afford to just sit on the hook for TWO MINUTES, i have come to the point where i literally report players for immediately suiciding on a hook, cause its that unfun to have and it gives you such an unfair disadvantage from the getgo - it has ruined too many of my games at this point.
there is a reason why DC penalities were introduced - and honestly, i feel like hook suicide penalities should become a thing aswell.
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A camping killer will get 1 kill every game. More than that is your team’s fault. The time he’s camping, means no one is being chased. Means you have the majority of map tiles and pallets to play off still. Combine that with bodyblocking teamwork, killer stands no chance.
This is effective from any semi-decent survivor, they don’t even have to be good.
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I don't complain about the camping as long as sodoku remains a penalty free option to not be subject to the boredom, and while camping in some situations is a viable and even necessary tactic as a killer like when facing object and having already suspected swf in lobby due to syncing idles and somebody not readying up with flashlight/toolboxes swapped out last second. If they're using object after That kind of lobby, and I nail the object guy early on, he's gettin camped until he taps out or dies naturally lol. Since I am not a sweaty killer and usually just doing dailies or a quick rift challenge while trying to get some bp and don't have the tolerance to entertain them with those sort of shenanigans and expect that if it turns out to be a voip I'd not even get to swing at anybody else anyways until object is gone. If theyd on't like that, they can stop abusing object or tap out on the hook and get it over with lol.
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The punishment is your team doing gens rather than feeding the camper. Depending on how early you're caught they can finish the gens before you die. If all 4 start on separate gens and you put up a minute long chase before going down 3 gens are done by the time you're hooked. The other 2 done before you're dead. Hell they could even have the gates open before you're dead. If they got 30k from camping it's because that team fed them free hooks.
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"there's nothing we can do against"
DO NOT KEEP WAITING FOR THE KILLER TO MOVE AWAY FROM THE HOOK, GO MAKE GENS!!!
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I got accused of camping just a moment ago, but BBQ showed nobody away from me and there was scratch marks around the hook not from the chase and a guy hiding right behind me as I hooked, the chases that ensued where around the hook! I mean where am I suposed to go?
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Camping is indeed unfortunate, but the real only counter is to do gens & make the killer learn that camping will get them one kill. (Assuming you don’t have an overly altruistic team who lets it snowball)
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Thing is, even if you do gens,
Camping still sucks.
I went five in a row being camped. How am I supposed to communicate with other survivors, as a solo player, NOT to come to me and just do gens???
Like everyone goes "JUst do gens hurr durr" n you know that, and I know that, but the bulk of the playerbase does NOT know that, and it ######### up this game for the lot of us that killers just camp you and get rewarded for it.
Literally saw a rank 1 billy the other day who just hooks then stands just far enough to ######### up kindred and then charges the first person to unhook.
Trying to buy your teammates time seems to just get them killed, and killing yourself off the bat just means another person gets camped after you. One way or another, the camper has ######### the game for anywhere from 1-4 other people.
I just feel like there has to be a harsher penalty for this behavior.
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Nobody wants to wait the sometimes 10-15 min to be facecamped, though, and it's more unreasonable to expect survivors to sit around and do nothing or get a penalty for not just tap-tap-taping their keyboard than it is to want for the killers to get a harsher penalty for camping. One person in this situation can play the game and the other can't.
You can't fault someone who wants to do the same objectives that YOU want to do in a game for not wanting to stay in a lobby where they not only are not going to be able to do any of those things, but will also de-pip for it, lose their items and add-ons, etc. Nobody is forcing the killer to camp, but the killer is forcing the survivor to be camped. Reporting them for that just seems like you're punishing the wrong person and also abusing the report system.
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It's not camping if they don't let you leave.
For myself, campers are why I run Kindred. Killer wants to camp me then everybody can know about it.
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Usually you wave your arms up and down as long as the killer is around, when he is gone, you stop.
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Nothing to do against camping? Highly doubt it but go off.
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That didnt happen
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Don't get caught. Ezpz.
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The game was never meant to be a teambased game. It was everyone fend for themselves in the beginning.
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in the beginning, the game has surpassed that now, it's a team based game now. you legit need TEAMwork to survive the game.
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Stop the genrush than.
there is nothing we killers can do against it
you see how stupid you sound?
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lemon squeezy
negan for next killer if not the thing with survivor mimic stealth mechanic
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It’s not all about rushing gens. It’s a team based game and sometimes the teams wants to get everyone out just how killers wanna 4K all the time.
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Maybe but if Evey last survivor player would simply stick to doing gens once someone gets camped and would keep doing for, I don't know, several months, camping would maybe die out since killers would not gain anything from it. Except when the door are already open.
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shoot I've been doing it backwards
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Camping is actually a bad strategy if the team is competent. Most people know that jumping from a hook is bad and so if someone hooks a survivor and hangs around, they could end up losing a lot of survivors that way if gens are being worked on. If someone camps and are being toxic, that's the card shuffle for that match.
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It's hilarious how many times so far I've been accused of camping, when I literally just hook a survivor, and spot another survivor or their trail (seemingly going for the save) almost immediately.
Like what am I supposed to do? Just let them unhook them without any resistance? If you want to beat my "camping" and unhook them, how about this? Try harder. Use your head, and maybe sneak in instead of being obvious, or in one case literally running right into me as I'm leaving lol...
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Yeah but this would make patience and thinking necessary. Which seems to go down the bigger the low skill swf group is.
Edit: Ahhh I just imagined a fresh hooked survivor seeing his buddy come running right when the hook happened.
Everything runs in slow motion and sparkly blur. "You've got a friend in me" from toystory running in the background.
And then the sudden silent cut when the killer returns to smack the unhooked since it would be stupid to go for the unhooker or alternatively "make your choice"s the unhooker.
What a priceless picture XD
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Lol! I swear, that has to be what happens. Except there's a loud "REEEE" as soon as the Randy Newman music cuts.
They just get so upset post game, and I don't understand why. It's always their own fault. But I think you're certainly on to something!
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excuse me please, but where exactly do you take these numbers from?
as far as i am concerned, a single hookstage takes 60 seconds to go through, two of which you will have to endure, totalling to a maximum of 120 seconds (2 minutes) of being facecamped.
asking someone to wait out these 120 seconds shouldnt be asked too much - and by doing so you A: buy your team an actual chance against the killer, aswell as B: punishing the killer for their bahavior.
if you dont do that, the killer gets what they want - they get to kill majority of the players in the trial AND to rank up, so you literally give them no incentive to ever play any different.
if you dont want to wait out these 120 seconds, you passively encourage killers to continue this behavior, therefore you basically ensure you will meet more killers that camp, so less games you can play normally.
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And when they fail, the fault lies with them, not the killer. Don't walk into the lion's den and complain when it eats your face.
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Lol this happened to me as Legion on Deathslinger's Wild West map. I would hook a survivor and less than 10 seconds later, someone would race over there to unhook them and then I'd down both. I actually had a Meg try to sabotage the hook when I was right there carrying a survivor and I stabbed her and she fled. I won and they were like "Camper !" I'm like, I don't camp. You get little Bloodpoints for that and I like giving everyone a fair shot at the match. I'm very much like Jigsaw as a killer with allowing people to play The Game. People will be people, lol.
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I was talking about the time it takes to get into the match, and they are from my own experience. I go to work and I go to classes, so I have to play either late at night, which Q times are pretty good for me then, or early in the morning, when Q times are awful for me. That is to say, I am not gonna wait 10-15 minutes to get into a match so I can be facecamped and, honestly?
It is not my responsibility to be Jesus on the cross for every other survivor NOR is it my responsibility to punish killers for anything they may do. That's on the Devs.
Clearly community policing and social shaming isn't doing anything to stop them, and nobody who camps actually cares about ranking up or anything to do with the game. They just care about ruining the game for 1 player at the least.
Actually, it's a lot more reasonable for ALL the survivors to either DC or die on the hook immediately and simply not talk to them at all. Short games for everyone involved and the killer doesn't get to have the satisfaction of people even trying against them--which is what they like. They like irritating people, or they wouldn't be camping. Rank has nothing to do with it, kills have nothing to do with it, they are trolls. Gunrushing, only letting them get one kill doesn't matter because at the end they still got their objective--to troll at least one survivor.
And again, reporting survivors because they didn't buy YOU time and would rather just gg go next rather than miserably stare a camper in the face is not only an abuse of the report system, they didn't do anything against the rules for you to report them, but it's also selfish. "Boo hoo I didn't get my extra 60 seconds to do this gen and now I'M the one getting camped. The campers have WON. U get reporded. Wah, I'm struggling on this hook, they should have too then I might not be here. :'<"
If you want to abuse the report system so bad and report people for not doing as you wish, you might as well report the killers for camping in the first place instead of blaming people for simply choosing to not put up with bullshit.
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That's not exactly true. You get points for helping teammates and healing them. Fixing all of the gens alone can be done, yet it is going to be difficult if killer kills majority of team. I regularly try to help my team cause I want everyone to have fun and succeed. I've never understood the toxicity of this community that seems to drive off a lot of new players. I remember when I was new and I had people helping me hide and follow them. I now try to pay it forward and do the same for others. I helped my whole team (all 4 of us) and I escape when Spirit made me her obsession and I distracted her the whole match. Some of the players were new and got a lot of BP and were really happy.
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Your teammates have a common goal but that's where it stops, If played as intended then the 4k at endgame because survivors are being overly altruistic would never happen.
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It depends on the players and their confidence. I was on an indoors map against Pyramid Head. It was just me and Laurie left and we had 2 gens left. I fixed them as she distracted him. When I opened the door she got downed nearby and he was carrying her. Rather than just leave, I distracted him enough to where she broke free and we both escaped. It also varies by playstyle. Like for me as a killer, I hate Huntress. Why ? I like stealth and she isn't stealthy at all cause if her humming. This is why I like playing as The Pig and Ghostface cause they are stealth killers. As a survivor, I'm stealthy. I can't help or save everyone as survivor, but I'll try.
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ill try to keep it short:
1) yes, its not your responibility to "play jesus on the cross". then again, as i previously stated, all you do by immediately quitting is encouraging them to keep doing it, aswell as keeping them in the ranks where you are going to meet them again. dont complain about campers / ask for "camping penalities" (which, little fun fact: are there, yet they wont be applied when you just insta quit) in that case though. YOU are the reason they are doing it after all, if you want them to change, you gotta change your own behavior first.
2) if quitting the game early wasnt a problem, the DC penality system in itself wouldnt be needed. and no, hook suicides dont only occur on camping games, they occur whenever survivor X has found reason Y as to why they dont want to play this trial anymore. that may be killer, map, teammates, performance, etc (the same reasons people tended to use to DC, which apparently is bannable). and even if we were to apply them to a camping game, you are right! i am complaining about them not waiting out these 120 seconds, as now i am the one hooked eventually. you actively denied me the ability to participate in a normal game, aswell as everyone else on your team. thats the reason people get banned for DCs, i dont at all see why it shouldnt be the reason for early game hook suicides aswell.
3) i am not "abusing the reporting system" at all. by quitting a game early you ruin it for everyone else after all, its actually comparable to trolling or sandbagging me, which both are listed as reportable offenses (cause, you know, they ruin others experiences). camping itself is not reportable for two reasons: 1) due to it being a legitimate strategy that WOULD have counterplay to it, would you just wait out these 120 seconds on the hook and 2) due to the lack of a definition to the term "camping". when is a killer actually camping? when are they defending the hook? when are they just trespassing, when are they doing normal killer interactins with the environment around the hook, when are they setting up traps, etc.
4) the time it takes you to find a match has nothing to do with the time you waste to a camper - the two minutes shouldnt matter at all when you wait for 10 to 15 minutes anyway. actually, this ties in very nicely with my previous argument, stating that by encouraging these players and allowing them to keep their rank, you waste a LOT more time in the long run, as you basically ensure you will meet them again and again.
okay, looking back at the wall of text i have provided you with keeping it short didnt really work out that well, so ill try to sum it up:
you are basically defending early game DCs here.
those have always ruined the game for everyone else and there is a very good reason why the Devs have started banning people for it.
stop being so selfish any start thinking about the others you play this game with.
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1) You are going to run into campers in ALL ranks because they exist in ALL ranks and will do so whenever they please even if they otherwise play normal because, like I said, some killers wanna troll and they will rank up when they want or derank when they want and they will troll when they want. The idea that it ties in with rank at all and that you can somehow avoid them in certain ranks or keep them from certain ranks is false. It is a troll strat, and extending that troll game is really only benefiting the camper who is doing it for personal satisfaction and nothing else. The way a camper sees it, that one person already being ######### over is enough. Whatever happens after that is irrelevant and no amount of 2 or 3 survivors making it changes that. If that strat ever worked, we would not have Killers as high as rank 1 doing that. There are literally YT videos with killers who laugh as they facecamp and don't give a damn about gens. (Off the top of my head, TUR Jay, and I think Jaee does it too sometimes.)
2.) One person is already being denied being able to play the game normally, and reporting them for choosing not to be camped IS an abuse. Sometimes people consider that to be the right choice in a situation and are not trying to sandbag or ruin your experience, they have already had their experience ruined by the camper. It is in no way like an early DC or suiciding bc you just hate the killer/map/perks. That player would have not otherwise done that had the killer not made them feel like it forced their hand. Some of us don't have time to waste. Also, the survivor is not the issue, the camper is, so again, if you want to report people why not report the camper? You're just blaming someone for not taking an L for you when camping is so rampant these days, I really don't see how you all think "Aww make em derank!!" is even a strat for dealing with them at this point.
3.) Personally, I am talking about face camping and very clear-cut denial of people trying to get another survivor off the hook, even at the sacrifice of the rest of the survivors escaping.
4.) It is everything to do with it, I don't want to sit around and wait for a match so I can just get tilted because I'm being camped and have to do a full minute of spacebar mashing when I already have carpal tunnel and joint issues from my line of work (it's one thing if I only have to do it for the time it takes to get rescued, another if every match I'm camped--which is every other match these days and I am rank three playing ranks 5 to 1 killers-- I have to do it for a full minute. Which, god bless Pyramid Head's skillcheck cages, if second hooks could be skillchecks life would be joy.) when, in the time I would have spent mashing spacebar until it became painful and I died I could just Q for my next game, give my hands a rest and watch a YT video.
TLDR:
Early DC's because of pettiness =/= not wanting to indulge in a killer being satisfied they facecamped you to the end, and the dev's have put "penalties" for camping, too, so clearly it is not an intended strat for the game. It's boring an irritating, and expecting people to put up with it, when, frankly, drawing the camping out doesn't make a difference and has not lead any campers to stop camping, suggests more to me that it's a better policy to either DC as a group and not give them the time they want to camp you for or to line up for him and again, get it over with as fast as possible.
The best remedy to camping is to not care about camping, because if combatting camping as you suggest were working in the slightest, you wouldn't have them in red ranks doing the same old thing.
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