Two and half minute killer win, nerf when?
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The one posted above is faster.
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if a killer destroys whole survivor team in 3 minutes its 100% fault of the survivors
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That's because it really is bad survivors. No matter how skilled a killer is, the only way they can win in that timeframe is if the survivor team screws up massively and/or gets extremely unlucky. Mostly the screw-up thing. I have definitely had some quick matches, and I definitely know where both me and my team went completely wrong. Thing is, it's not the same for killers. You can do everything right and still lose in a couple of minutes. And, of course, the go-to line is "apply pressure", and of course it's complete nonsense. Early game pressure is borderline impossible if the survivor is halfway competent unless you're playing Nurse.
So well yes, you can get 4k's and 4 escapes in under 3 minutes, and technically you can get a 4k even quicker than that, getting such a quick 4k is actually impossible against a half-decent, not-massively-boosted team. Whereas the best survivor teams actively work towards 3-minute gen times and can't really be stopped, even by the best Nurse, because of the maths behind gen speeds and chase times.
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All killers can 4 man slug and win a game (except they won't really get emblem points) but the majority don't.
All survivors can rush gens and escape (and oddly still get decent emblem points) and the majority seem to do it.
Survivors objective is to escape, Killers objective is to kill so why do we not see more 4 man slugs?
Personal experience.
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"If everyone spawns on a separate generator on a big map (Midwich for instance) and immediately starts repairing instead of derping around doing nothing then the killer WILL lose 3 gens after the first chase IF the first chased survivor merely knows the BASICS about looping."
I'm sorry, no. First of all, survivors never each spawn on a separate generator on a big map, even with the offering to spawn separately. They're going to need to spend a good amount of time running around to all find separate gens, and even finding the gens on maps like Midwich can be difficult. Plus, perks like CI are used heavily at high rank, so this is even less likely in practice.
Still, it takes roughly 80 seconds to solo a gen. Even if there's hypothetically one survivor on four gens right from the start, it should be very easy to find a survivor and start a chase. If it takes a killer more than a minute to down and hook that first survivor and they apply zero pressure to the other suvivors during the chase, that's just the killer being outplayed and they deserve to lose gens.
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Except Otz still won his game, the survivors blew their load on one gen and never got another done I believe that game correct?
It would be like a GF instantly gen grabbing someone and hooking them and then never catching anyone the rest of the game.
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Buff Demogorgon? Wut
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I think gen speed is too fast but I agree with this even as a killer.
I have had constant games lately where a killer literally spends the first two minutes of the game on one survivor and finally hooks him as 3 gens pop. Then he complains about gen rushing in post game chat... uhm you literally were not near any of the 3 of us what were we supposed to do?
Ive also had killers chase me past a gen that two players were working on and ignore them... uhm ok
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Lmao you talk about bad survivors then post a video like that.
Did you even read the description? The swf admits they only did it due to 1) Exploiting a bug, 2) Experienced swf being matched with a low rank killer, 3) Killer played very badly
The bias on this forum is unreal
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Running on straight line is the worst thing you can do against a nurse?!?!?!?!?!? Ask me how I know you never played killer let alone touched the Nurse!!!!!
I mained her for so long and losing LoS/walking straight is easy win against her with all those cooldowns and fatigues.
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Tip for Killers: Losing three gens, isn't losing the game. Losing 5 gens isn't even losing the game. It's not over until the survivors escape.
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Yeah I don't see the issue with that. Without the bug the time is about a minute more. 3mins. Tell me how it isn't the fault of the survivors to die in 5mins when others finish a game in less.
Want another video? There you go:
What about the challenge? Why do you not backup your trashtalk about billy? Billy so easy can still do everything he could before and finally back up your talk with something? Also enlighten me how my post suddenly condemns the entire forum to be bias? Yeah generalizing is never a good thing to do.
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Can’t people on these forums come up with anything more original than telling anyone who disagrees with anything you say that they don’t play killer? Go look at my profile if you want proof since you’re all so insistent on calling everyone survivor mains.
Survivors run at 4 metres a second. Nurse can blink up to 32 metres at base and she moves at 13 metres a second while blinking. Please tell me how brainlessly running in a straight line is good counterplay to a Nurse.
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What is the time for cooldown (charging 2 blinks), missed attacks and fatigue? Or you want to tell me if you just fully charge a blink you will eventually hit them? How long would the chase take?
Walk in straight line for as long as you can then change direction/u-turn and walk straight line, rinse and repeat.. When I do that as survivor I virtually never go down and even if I do go down a chase could literally take 120 seconds.
BTW: Your profile proofs literally nothing. Stream some nurse gameplay if you insist so.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA unbreakable?! I went up with a 3 man as a solo against a nurse who wasn't good but wasn't bad and they all ended up finding flashlights or 1 or 2 idk but they ALL were hungry for them saves so we all got slugged but I was the ONLY one who could run her so both my good chases cost her gens and they had unbreakable which did nothing against a nurse and they all died one killed himself because there friend said I found hatch
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If you’re changing direction or u-turning you’re not running in a straight line, you’re in fact doing the opposite of running in a straight line, which only proves my point does it not?
My profile proves that I play killer so you can keep your snarky “you never play killer” to yourself.
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Did you read my post?!
I said run straight line and if that don't work (I mean doh, map area is finite) just u-turn and run straight line again, how does that make your point right?
Your profile proves nothing, it could be an image from google for all I care about. Stream the Nurse gameplay if you are so pro.
And since you talked numbers and so into arithmetic: how much for charging blinks, fatigue and missed attacks?
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Marth's Nurse would disagree with you.
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So whats your point? Survivors shouldn't be punished for making mistakes but killers should
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True but if a killer gets gen rushed within 5 minutes he most likely didn't play well either, unless maybe he got really, really unlucky. Good survivor teams won't be able to get all gens done in 5 minutes either if the killer player is good and is at least playing one of the better killers in this game.
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survivors stronger simple as, only reason killers have those good games is because so many red ranks are rank 15. im sorry but when i see a rank 2 that cant look behind them, struggle with gens, have no idea how to loop any tiles, no idea of the different vaults or even counters to killers and will spend most of the match hiding then yeah obviously killers will do well. fact is survivor is much easier and when a team of actual good players all end up together its a piss easy game, most of my games today result in quick and easy escape with the killer getting only a few hooks. but its why i play survivor most, its more chill and honestly i dont like outplaying people at every chance but lose because i didnt want to slug them all, i want 12 separate hooks and i want multiple chases. theres more than just one example of fast games but the fact is rank is messed up so you will often end up with a potato or maybe 3 if youre unlucky in solo queue
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I’m neither a streamer nor a dancing monkey so no thanks. If you want numbers you can go to the wiki and if you want a streamer to watch you can go to Twitch. I wish you luck learning to land blinks against survivors that run in a straight line. Happy Sunday.
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Let's be honest, would you really say the survivors played optimally in that video? They certainly didn't mess up nearly as much as some people would probably argue, but they didn't play that well either.
I think the bigger problem is that when people see these videos where the killer gets gen rushed within a few minutes, they don't try to see what the killer could have done better to not get gen rushed as fast. And one of the problems with that is that it's not as easy to judge if a killer applied map pressure well or not, since that's something you can't get much feedback on. But of course many people also sadly just ignore mistakes made by the killer when it comes to those gen rush videos as well.
Also, I would argue that Oni's slugging potential is a bit too powerful anyways.
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The other problem is that most of the videos aren’t “five gens done in five minutes,” which is sooo sooo sooo rare.
People post videos of “first gen done in 20 seconds,” or “two gens done in a minute,” and ignore the fact that no more gens ever get done.
Both sides tend to give up too easily, killers feel defeated the moment the first gen gets popped too quickly. Survivors give up and either DC or die on first hook because they got found first
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I don't think survivors should win every match even if they played ok.
I think too many people forget the killer is suppose to be a nearly insurmountable force that teamwork and strategy can overcome but you loose people along they way...
Most people don't survive in horror movies and in games you die over and over no matter what you play... dbd is the exception to always thinking you should survive.
Open the game and don't skip the movie... the trapper 4ks
Noone here is going to agree and the post wasn't even made in good faith for a discussion...
but survivors clearly defined "survive=win" is fine
but killers "kill everyone=win" is often disputed as only kill one person or two per match
The game was built on survivors mistakes lead to death and if they dont make any the killer lost.
And that's why noone agrees about Ballence.
Survivors dont want to admit mistakes hurt them. And killers dont want to admit that even if you do everything perfectly your not ment to win unless survivors alow it
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The only reason a killer can win like this is if the survivors are not playing at the same skill level. If skill levels were equal this wouldn't happen 9 times out of 10
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The 2 survivor 2 escape or 1 escape are “movie endings,” but players don’t want that... killers wanna 4k and survuvors want all to escape
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Well that's the power potential of an Instadown-Killer combined with Infectious Fright and BBQ. And yes, I'm saying power potential, even though survivors are capable to cancel it out, if well positioned, it's not an unlikely siiation to pull something like this off during the game, actually. Especially, if you go with a slugging build like Dowsey did.
Not sure how this compares to the gen speed issue, because these are kinda two different pair of shoes to talk about.
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Didnt knew that, Ty for explaining. Looks like i still have to learn alot.
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What's with survivors and ad hominem anyways? If you don't know what you are talking about - then just don't! You obviously don't play killer and never touch the Nurse, and have no clue the sweaty SWF we have to take on especially in regions ME/Asia/Some parts of Europe.
Stream was to proof that you actually do touch the Nurse, but as expected, you do not.
You talked about survivor walk speed and the distance of a fully charged blink as a red herring. You did not mention: Time to recharge blinks (if you play the Nurse, you would know this is actually a thing in her base kit), time of fatigue, time of missed attacks cooldown, time to fully charge a blink, and so on so forth that yes, makes walking straight line very efficient against a Nurse especially if she loses LoS (Line of Sight for you survivors).
But you go and make wild statement "walking straight line against a Nurse? LoOoOoLzSuZ" while obviously having no idea what you are talking about here.
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