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If survivors want "no slugging", killers should get "no suicide on hooks"
Slugging is a valid strat to secure the 4k cause we feel unfair that the 4th surv gets to leave without actually working for it cause a guy suicided on hook (lets himself go) knowing their teammate knew where the hatch was, AND we all know survivors don't like being slugged.
Now, READ PLEASE, I think most killers would be willing to stop slugging the 3rd survivor as long as suicide on hook, when 2 survs are left, is taken out of the game in order for killers to have a bit more time to look for the 4th prey, with the exception of suicide on hook against a camper, where it could be a feature where the survivor can only suicide on hook if the killer is camping the hook with only 2 survivors alive.
This way, getting the hatch would actually be a challenge for the last survivor and the killer wouldn't feel obligated to slug the 3rd kill when the killer clearly outplayed the survivors with "fair play", as survivors call it.
What do you guys think?
EDIT: PLEASE NOTE that I'm talking about hook suicide rules ONLY for games where the killer already has a 2k and 3rd survivor gets hooked, I'm not talking about other scenarios. This is not a feature to help killers get a 4k, this is a feature to help SURVIVORS to not get slugged and to not have to wait from 60 seconds to 3 minutes bleeding out.
Example: 2k, 1 guy downed, 1 guy standing, if I hook, he suicides and the 4th probably escapes, if I slug I get a 4k. What should I do? I would like this feature to help SURVIVORS not get slugged
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Obviously, this wouldn't mess with slugging early game or against killers whose mechanics are based on slugging, like the Oni, so, unbreakable would be useful all game except in a 2v1 end game moment
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The thing is, most of the time, killers do NOT outplay survivors at all. They just keep chasing them forever, until they finally get them down because of Bloodlust. That is not outplaying, not at all. And trust me, in my experience, 90% of the playerbase does that, even more. And, as much as I like a 4k while playing killer, you people who always bring this point up forget (always) about two things:
1 - Being the last survivor alive does not mean you did nothing the whole game. You could have gotten way more points than the others and kept the killer busy for a long time.
2 - Nobody is entitled to a 4k EVERY SINGLE game. If one survivor did well, just accept it, try not to be toxic and even allow them to go, from time to time. Of course, the last survivor could have done nothing. I just had a match where I kept the killer busy, while also working on the last 2 gens while he was busy looking around, and the other 2 survivors were crouch camping near corners of the map. But you people tend to label everyone with the same brush. Survivors who escape through the hatch are not always worthless players. If anything, also because of their teammates, it means they had no other way of escaping, that match. Stop with this biased argument.
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If slugging is a startegy so is hook suicide to give out the hatch...
Cause à lot of killers are gonna stay near the hook anyway cause you know there are only 3 possible ways to act for the survivors:
-take the risk and unhook
-search the hatch or hide to prepare
-do gens (if there is more then 1 it will most of the time not be worth it and its gonna give out your location to the killer)
Lets be honest if the game went well for survivors and you made a comeback, yes it feels cheap to get out with the hatch
BUT
if you destroyed them and they did max 2-3 gens...ill just consider it tryharding to get a 4k when a 3k was already good in my opinion
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I can't geneaize, and I think you shouldn't do that either, you cannot state % of people acting specific ways without actual stats, you can talk about your experience, or even your friend's experience, but stating a 90% of database does something is way too radical.
Now, I completely disagree, if the killer managed to get a 2k and hook the 3rd one LIKE I CLEARLY STATED, the killer outsmarted the survivors...
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So, you like my idea but it should have some changes based on your arguments, how about no hook suicides if 3+ gens were repaired meaning the killer got a "comeback" getting a 2k and hooking the 3rd survivor, but yes to hook suicide if killer is camping hook or only 2 or less gens were repaired where the killer would be a "tryhard" in your perception? Is that better?
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If a survivor is alive then they weren't outplayed. The rest of their team might be though.
"Slugging for the 4K is a strat."
Then hiding all game and not doing anything all game to avoid be caught is also a strat. Both are nasty.
I've seen so many killers essentially say;
"You were outplayed. I earned the 4K"
If I were outplayed then I wouldn't be alive.
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In that case, you were alive not cause you outplayed the killer, but because of a bad thought feature that gave you an unfair chance to live.
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What is the feature? Stealth? I swear you killers just want survivors to stand out in the open and give you guys free kills.
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Yeah, it is based on my experience, just like I crystal clearly wrote. But pretty much every single killer I meet plays like that, and I played with a lot of different people. Also, while killers camp, tunnel, chase you forever, only attack if they have instadowns, slug, only play with easy killers like Spirit and PH, survivors have DS, DH, SWF and flashlights. You can clearly see who has the most obnoxious instruments at their disposal. All of the things killers can, and will do, will make a difference in the game. DS usually ends up in survivors getting caught again a few seconds later, and DH does not even work properly, lately. (If you think I should have added BT to the list, no, I shouldn't have. If you gave the survivor the ability to have BT active, it means you were either camping or close enough that you are now going to tunnel him). Once again, no, the killer hardly ever outsmarts anyone. And that is also because the game is made in such a way that killers have most perks doing the work for them, instead of them actually "outsmarting" someone. If you have Nurse's Calling, it finds healing survivors for you. BBQ does the same, in a different scenario. Ruin makes gens regress without you having to kick them. All the while you keep chasing the same guy forever and ever, favoured by something that shouldn't be a thing since when infinites were rightfully removed, Bloodlust. Now please, be clever and spare me the usual catchphrase that "I must be a survivor main who never played killer", or viceversa, 'cause that would mark the end of the discussion for me (anything along those lines also counts).
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READ THE POST! I didn't talk about suicide on 1st hook in any stage of the game, I'm only talking about suicide when you're one of the 2 people alive and get hooked, there's already a 2k in game in this scenario and this proposal is to let you survivors avoid being slugged, which actually helps the killer A LOT MORE cause slug death takes more time than struggle death.
Now, I'm gonna comment about the case you stated, which is OFF this post's topic. YES, and speaking AS KILLER, I think camping early game is a noob conduct, yes, I think the Devs should add a feature where early game (before 2 first gens pop) camping is punished by no kill hook bar moving down
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LOL, no, if your READ the post I mean a survivor getting a hatch escape out of a hook suicide, if you can escape even when the killer got the chance to look for you while the 3rd hooked player was struggling (second state) by being stealth, yes, you outsmarted the killer, if you got a hatch escape 5 seconds after the killer decided to hook the 3rd player when he could've slugged him to get the 4k and decided to be nice by hooking the 3rd surv, that's unfair and a cheap feature in the game. If you're not ok with this changes that would help both roles, I guess you like being slugged for the 4k, nothing to change here
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If I'm the third hooked and the match is over with I want to move on to the next game no be forced to sit there until the killer finds the forth.
Like others have said before killers aren't entitled to a 4k just like survivors aren't entitled to escape😀
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Am I missunderstanding? Are you saying survivor is harder than Killer? It's funny how I talked about a specific feature for a more specific situation and you went everywhere in the game programming, maybe this will clear the water:
If you can escape even when the killer got the chance to look for you while the 3rd hooked player was struggling (second state) by being stealth, yes, you outsmarted the killer (in this case the no hook suicide feature ONLY FOR THE 3RD SURVIVOR AND ALREADY WITH A 2K), but, if you got a hatch escape 5 seconds after the killer decided to hook the 3rd player when he could've slugged him to get the 4k and decided to be nice by hooking the 3rd surv, that's unfair and a cheap feature in the game. If you're not ok with this changes that would help BOTH ROLES (no 3rd survivor slugged helping survivors vs no insta suicide on hook to give hatch away helping the killer), I guess you like being slugged for the 4k, nothing to change here
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OP - no, no, no. You do not deserve 4K automatically. The hatch is in the game for a reason. If you don't want a survivor to get the hatch at the end, you have to find that survivor or lure them with slugging (which I don't advise).
Otherwise, what's the point of the hatch? If you got a 3K, that's good enough. You got a good amount of points and rank doesn't matter, so stop trying to get perfection by removing game mechanics.
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LOGIC LEVEL 100, if you want to be able to suicide on hook to move to the next game but that would motivate killers to slug you instead of hooking you, which takes WAY MORE time for you to die slugged than struggling in second state to death, wouldn't that contradict your argument of wanting to move to the next game as fast as possible? I guess you want to stick to being slugged for the 4k and not hooked...
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The hatch itself needs just some sort of interaction. Maybe let the survivor get a key from several not campable spots and give more than one but we'll hidden random hatches. Killer gets no interction with the hatches.
Maybe make the keys match somehow match special hatches. 4 keys for 4 hatches but only one works for each hatch. With or without directly visible numbers only for the survivor (not the same stuff like jigsaw boxes). But the survivor has to get relatively close to see the number maybe? Would be another balancing issue.
This gives the killer more time to work for the 4th kill and the survivor has to earn the escape.
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No no no, you didn't read, If I want a 4k I'm slugging you cause I'm not giving you the chance to suicide on hook for the 4th guy to get a free hatch...
What do you prefer? Being slugged to death for 1+ minute or struggle on hook for aproximately 45 seconds without the chance to suicide unless the killer is camping you?
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Okay So... 99% of times if there's two people left and the killer slugs or hooks one of them without knowing where the other survivor is, they're just going to wait around for them to come out and rescue their teammate.
Survivors, knowing this is how most killers play, run for hatch. If hatch is up for them to find already that means at least three gens are done anyway, so it's not like nothing was done all game.
Even if the killer does leave hook and gives the chance for a rescue, then they turn around and go right back once they're cued by the notification. Maybe that's a poorly thought out feature that gives the killer an unfair advantage.
Most survivors would suicide while being slugged on the ground if they had the chance just because waiting out that 4 minute timer, staring at the ground is excruciatingly unfun.
Suicide or not, there's a good chance the killer isn't actively searching for the remaining survivor and instead is just trying to bait them out. If hatch is spawned and such a worry, killers should be searching for it, not waiting for their 'earned 4k'.
And while you might not be this type of killer, most are. Blame the others for instilling this type of game play for survivors to feel they have to suicide for their teammates.
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Entity wants 2 kills, 2 escapes. That's what devs say. She wants to be entertained. It's the whole point of the game.
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I can't state that most killers do this, but I can say that I know most killers will slug third to get fourth, wouldn't it be better for you not to be able to suicide unless killer camps you and wait for 60 seconds in struggle with the chance of being rescued instead of being slugged for 60+ seconds (up to 3 minutes)?
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Again, please READ THE POST, in this scenario the killer already has a 2k and the 3rd survivor hooked... This is not a 2k vs 2e POST. This is a "what do you prefer? for you not to be able to suicide unless killer camps you and wait for 60 seconds in struggle with the chance of being rescued OR being slugged for 60+ seconds (up to 3 minutes) which is what happens the most when the killer wants a 4k?"
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Sorry, I responded to the wrong slugging thread. 😩
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I guess in away yes
Because I barley come across killers that slug the 3rd for the 4k it's like 1 in maybe 10 games for me
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For god's sake, stop thinking you hare the authority on who "deserves" to leave and who does not. I laugh at this pretentious stupidity. You are not the authority on who deserves anything. If the person finds the hatch, they earned the escape. Period. If you found the 4 survivor, you earned the kill. Period.
Personally, I don't sweat the 4k. I am not about to be so try-hard that I'm going to slug the 3rd and salivate for the 4th. Whatever. If I get them before they get hatch, great. If not, ggwp, on to the next game.
Slugging is a key tactic in certain situations. I have no hesitation to slug in some situations. I don't like slug builds, but that is my own play style. I do like how fast you can turn a match around by slugging someone at a key time. Slug, chase, and the third has to heal. That is 3 off of gens!
Do yourself a favor, stop taking yourself and this game so freaking seriously. You are playing a casual game that is not a "pro circuit" platform. You likely would not be able to cut it if it was, neither would I. This is just your ego trip and you should be careful to not trip over it. Try to relax and enjoy the game for what it is. Don't worry about other people getting upset if you choose to slug for the 4k, but don't go thinking you are somehow the authority on who "earned" an escape. That is just pure stupidity.
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If the option to suicide on hook was taken away, the remaining survivor would still wait for hatch while the hooked gets struggle points. Survivors know that once the third is hooked, doing anything else is just suicide.
Killers are faster than survivors, they can find the hatch much easier without having to worry about getting caught or slowing down even more because they have to stealth. And, like I said, if the gens were done then hatch is up already, killer has had just as much time to find it as well as the extra speed. Go there instead of waiting for the unhook.
Besides, the ultimatum of what you'resaying sounds like "would you rather have me slug for a 4k or give yourself up and let me have the 4k faster." Is making it sound like you're one of the mentioned killers.
Even if you do slug, a smart survivor isn't coming to you just to end the game faster. Even if you close the hatch, they're not giving themselves up. You haven't earned the kill. You didn't hunt them down and hook them. You waited for them to give themselves up.
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Yes, you are misunderstanding. I never stated one of the roles is harder than the other, at its core. What I said is that killers have more "tools" to be toxic at their disposal, which also influence the outcomes of the match. Survivors t-bagging or pointing at you are toxic, but that does nothing to change the flow of the game. They are not preventing you from doing anything you could do, other than perhaps leading to you getting triggered and deciding to tunnel them. Being camped or chased until you go down, even if it takes forever, on the other hand, is preventing you from playing. Every killer acts like the survivor they are chasing stole their daughter's virginity. Another time, hope I won't need to draw that... Crouchwalking and avoiding the killer when he is going to hook the only other survivor alive, is not outsmarting anyone. You seem to misuse that term a lor, maybe you just like the sound of it, idk.
Here, let me aid you:
Outsmart
/ˌɑʊtˈsmɑrt/
to obtain an advantage over someone by using your intelligence and often by using a trick; to outwit.
As you can see, both outsmarting and strategies are things that require actual THINKING and PLANNING. As much as there is no thinking nor planning into camping, which does not make it a "strategy", as many people like to claim, there is no real thinking put into crouching or hiding in lockers, other than avoiding being tunneled to death, because you know that someone who complains about the hatch is not going to let you go, even if you were the only non toxic person amidst 3 more who, instead, were. And I can't really see how that would help both roles, either. The whole slugging the 3 survivor to kill the 4th argument only comes from people who think they are entitled to always get a 4k, no matter what. So no, it would only help self-absorbed killers to get a 4k, because they feel survivors should have no chance whatsoever.
Now, if you can provide me with any actual insight and reasoning as to what you are claiming would be fair for both roles, would indeed be, I can listen. But if you just want to keep going on with this charade, stating that something that is only born out of killers behaving like that would cease if they get a 4k just because you feel like it, I'mma sign off.
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Slugging for the 4K is as good of a ‘strat’ as hatch stand off was.
At which point people just want out. Just keep slugging, not as many people as you might think really care honestly.
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Not working for it? They survived to that point didn’t they? You aren’t entitled to a 4k, get over it.
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This is not a killer's game bud.
Survivors have the right to escape, not only getting killed.
Keep slugging like the master sweaty killer you are.
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Slugging for 4K is foolish. One of two things will happen: (1) the survivor will find the hatch while you stalk the corpse of their friend or (2) you will waste a lot of time because the survivor will stealthily pick up the downed one or not just to waste your time. Slugging for 4K is a selfish maneuver. It's for killers who can't stand not getting a 4K, but don't mind wasting time. You could do a whole match in the time it wastes.
Get over getting a 4K. Let 3K be good enough. Jeebus.
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That would be better, but lets be honest, impossible to do in such a game cause its too hard for the devs and too many conditions haha, but it would be better yeah.
Most of the time when the surv suicide hook its cause he know there is no comeback and no way to save the game thats the point/problem.
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Nice comment, enjoy getting slugged if you're the third survivor to get downed after 2 kills completed, I don't have the "authority" to decide who deserves what so, you don't have the authority to pick who I slug and who I don't, this post was to avoid slugging survs, but I guess you enjoy it, have a good day
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I love these 🙄kind of threads
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Ok, no, you're missinterpreting me, I do not sweat for the 4k, but I'm a good killer, I get a 3k+ almost every game, this post is not for me to get "help getting the 4k", it's for survivors to get a feature to avoid getting slugged, I f I have 2k, and I find the 3rd surv, who is on death hook, I slug for the 4th and that 9/10 games ends in a 4k.
I think you guys think I want the 4k, no, I don't want to slug people to get the 4th surv, I want a fair stand off against the last survivors for both roles to have more fun, that's it.
Are you actually ok with being slugged instead of hooked? it's a 60 seconds to 3 minutes dying wait while slugged vs a 60 seconds on hook your know?
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I run both killer and survivor, and treat it like a matter of convenience, if I have the last 2 survivors in close proximity to one another, yes, I'm going to down them both if I can. I see it as playing smart and covering my bases. If one gets away, fine, go back for the one I already hit. If I know the hatch is visible, I'm looking for it too and making a note of it. As a Survivor, and yes I run SWF with one friend most often, if we know we're screwed, one of us getting away is better than none, so if the hatch is visible, yeah we'll quit struggling to let the other get away.
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You do understand that me slugging is gonna ive me the 4k right? Nice logic Xeno... They have a better chance of surviving if they get hooked, if I slug them they're doomed, this feature I'm proposing is por survivor, not pro killer.
Example: 2k, 1 guy downed, 1 guy standing, if I hook, he suicides and the 4th probably escapes, if I slug I get a 4k. What should I do?
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They haven't earned survival until they exit the gate. Up until then it is in contention. That's all there is to it. The Survivors are going to do whatever they can to get out of the gate, and the Killer is going to do whatever he/she can to kill as many of them as possible. If that means slugging, it means slugging. If it means hooking, it means hooking. All these little screeds and whine about this and that (from both Survivors and Killers) is kind of pathetic. If you guys spent half as much time playing the game as you do complaining about it, I think most of your issues would go away due to skill. I'm rather new to this game, and I'm going through the SAME hardships as you. The difference is I don't blame the game or other players for my own failures. I put my head down and I charge harder. Damn. I'm sure glad you people weren't around playing at the dawn of PVP games. Back then when we blew someone's head off, tore them in half, or used whatever crazy magic the game allowed, we all understood and accepted that there would be winners and losers. If you wanted to get better, you played more and practiced. Nowadays there appears to be this notion that instead of doing that, you try to shame other players or annoy the DEV to the point you think they will shut you up. What kind of spoiled, entitled households did you grow up in? Where is your pride?
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TL;DR
But I have a thought, that the Hatch should be opened to anyone else who worked on a Hatch Only Generator. (H.O.G.) just one gen that opens the Hatch. That way a survivor HAS Worked for it. That special gen is known by the killer as equal to the Gates glow. Giving the survivor THREE options. Either open a gate at either side. Or get the Hatch opened. No keys necessary. Any survivor can work on the Hatch Generator. The only issue is it works as if it has if you had Brand New Parts. Only you dont need to bring it in as a item. It just makes working on the Hatch Gen with great skill checks instead of Good Skill Checks. And only able to work on Hatch Gen if you're the only survivor. And it only is activated if a survivor has worked a regular gen to be eligible to get a Hatch.
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I love how you feel entitled to speak for "most killers" when it's a wish of your own. But anyway, you ask me what I prefer? I prefer having fun, either solo or with friends.
As mentioned above, you're not entitled to 4k or even the hatch. Just look for it and find it with the time you have. If you lost it, then that's it.
If you wanna slug as killer, that's on you. As a killer, I don't think this is fun, so I avoid it. If people wanna kill themselves on the hook, so be it. I'd rather end things quickly then proceed to the next match.
Even though you say the 4k is not important to you, you seem to demand it as if you had the right to it. It's just a game, for god's sake.
Some you will kill, some will go.
So... just slug as you please, just don't expect any validation or look for excuses for it.
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Just because you slug for the 4K doesn’t guarantee a 4K. I have seen people get slugged then the 4th survivor gets found, which then you either slug them or hook them. And one of them will have UB/SG (one or the other and get hatch. I’ve also seen the ones where it’s basically you against a VERY immerse survivor because that’s what they have to play with, they pick the other person up and back to ultra immerse, because they know what you’re gonna do next: Slug again.
Personally I would rather move on the next match as I want more BPs but to each their own.
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I don't get why people don't understand the point of the thread... This is not a thread to help killers get a 4k, this is a thread to help SURVIVORS not get slugged for a 4k and havE to wait from 60 seconds to 3 minutes till they die if the killer gets the fourth and closes hatch without ever finding the surv they slugged...
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I don't mind being slugged. It is the personal choice of the killer. What makes me laugh is when the killer thinks they are somehow a moral authority on who has "earned" the right to escape. Whatever, make me laugh more.
I slug when I need to, no biggie. I never spoke out against slugging. Might want to brush up on your reading comprehension skills there buddy.
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It is part of the game. I don't like losing 5-10 minutes of a time when I face Survivors that do nothing but hide. But I accept it.
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Correction if they want no slugging hatch mechanic must be skill based not RNG
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You know, the idea that the survivors get at least one easy escape for one person and that the survivor "earned" that escape and "you're not entitled to 4k" is weird, because there really isn't a (non-perk) mechanic for a killer to secure at least 1 kill. If all four survivors escape, they don't toss you one of their friends because "they don't deserve to all escape." They'll often teabag at the door until the end of the EGC if you don't come and push them out.
One side gets a built-in win mechanic while the other gets a big middle finger.
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Slug away, that's your choice and I accept it. Just don't be surprised if i crawl away halfway across the map. I've actually gotten hatch escapes that way. Alternatively i'll lead you as far away from the other players as possible so you can either chase me in the hopes im ratting out a player and waste your time, risk carrying me around in the hopes you'll find the hatch and then hook me with it in sight, or hook and camp me and i'll either hang around for you to waste more time, or just let myself go to the entity depending on whether i believe the other guy found the hatch (and no I'm not complaining about killers camping a 3rd hook guy, it makes sense in some circumstances.) Alternatively you can just hook me and risk walking away whereupon i might potentially be saved if the survivor is altruistic.
You have your strategies, survivors have theirs and everyone uses them in different ways with different scenarios. You aren't going to 'save the survivors' a boring time by not having hook suicides, and you have no control over what survivors do in those scenarios, just as they have no control over what you do.
Just play the game. So tired of people fussing over every single aspect of the other sides play style. Just work on your own and deal with what comes, because the reality of the situation is that this is the ONLY choice you have.
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You keep acting like every killer wants a 4k, otherwise he's gonna stop playing. And you keep saying you are not one of those killers, yet you wouldn't even have started this post, let alone insist so much, if you weren't. Get over with it, pal. If there really was a survivor who did nothing for the entire game, it means that you played an entire match against 3 people, instead of 4. If they managed to get to the point where the hatch was shown before opening, it means you played badly. Enough is enough.
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That's kinda true, in a way. But still, killers are not the ones getting tunneled and chased for 30 minutes.
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I dont know many killers that complain about first hook suicides. Please do. Easy W
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Correction- Survivors don't have a right to escape, they just have a right at a chance to escape. No one is entitled to get a Kill or to Survive.
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