Is legion underage
Title says it all. i don't think they are, but idk, it's not confirmed anywhere
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"Frank Morrison was nineteen and had little to show for it." Word for word from their backstory.
And we know the others are younger than him because everyone at Julie's parties was younger than him.
If by underage, you mean under 21, then yes.
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Considering Frank and Julie's yellow cosmetics reference them as seniors and Susie's green cosmetics references her as a possible sophomore that is definite underage.
Frank Morrison- 19
Julie Kostenko- 17/18
Susie- 15/16
Joey has no reference to what age he might be in both cosmetics or backstory. A doubt he's younger than Susie and he can't be older than Frank.
Unlike Julie he hasn't come from particularly well-off family and he has his own car and job so I'm assuming he's about 18 and probably the closest to Frank's age
Asides from Julie's full name I'm taking everything from the Legion's archives with a massive pinch of salt considering that is that archives doesn't even match up with Legion's actual backstory. So I'm going to avoid using things from that to determine their ages
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Only Frank's age is clearly confirmed, however it's my personal headcanon that Julie is the same age because they're in a relationship and the lore specifies that the people at Julie's party were younger than him (IE Joey and Susie), not Julie herself.
Aside from this we can't say for certain, however, it was commented on by either the devs themselves or just other Fog Whisperers / Content Creators around the time the Stranger Things chapter was speculated as the next chapter release. They said the devs would never select minors (AKA the main cast of the show, so Mike, Lucas, Will, Dustin, Eleven, etc.) to put into the game because it would create bad publicity, having some 14 year olds being brutally cut, beaten, impaled, and murdered isn't a good look even for a horror game. So from this we can basically infer that anyone 17 and under won't be making an appearance in the game, and everyone in the realm of the entity is a (more or less) consenting adult (lol).
Which would mean that Joey and Susie are both 18.
Personally speaking, 19 & 18 aren't exactly what come to mind when I think of the word "underage", so in most cases I would say no except for the only way I could imagine that word applying to them is in terms legal drinking age in the US.
However, (and I think it's kinda obvious where I'm going with this)
Mount Ormond (as far as I'm aware) is in Canada. Where the legal drinking age is eighteen years of age.
So by no metric would any of the members of the Legion be considered "underage".
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Yeah, I was thinking U.S. drinking laws when I said underage.
The worst part of that is I can literally look out my window and see Canada, and a lot of people here go up there (provided there isn't a pandemic) to drink due to the lesser laws. Yet I somehow forgot about that.
Though admittedly, I remember one of the devs (I believe it was Peanits) making a big fuss about Laurie and Quentin being around 21 around the same Stranger Things time because, in their respective universes, they are both 17. I'm not going to dig around for it, but I remember looking at that statement and rolling my eyes at it.
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I think the comments they made about the Stranger things kids only really applied to survivors as they're the only ones who actively get killed and maimed where is The Killers don't.
You are so can't really take drinking into account as Frank is the one who gets alcohol and drugs for them and Frank is 19 meaning you can't really use that as a metric to figure out the ages.
It honestly depends on how accurate you want to consider cosmetic descriptions as this is the closest we actually get to age confirmation on any Legion besides Frank.
We know Frank was held back a year which is why he's older than his Legionnaires.
Both Frank and Julie's uncommon outfits reference them as seniors.
Since we know Frank is 19
This puts Julie at 17 or 18 ( usual age range for seniors not counting being held back or moving up a year)
With Susie we have her basically being stated to be a sophomore.
This realistic puts her around the ages of 15 or 16
As I said in a previous post on here we have no idea when it comes to Joey so so if the question comes down to are the Legion underage.
Frank - no
Julie - maybe
Susie - yes
Joey - Unknown
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I feel like it's OK for the killers to be under age, since - well - the killers do the killing, not the dying. Heck, the Halloween series has depicted kids murdering several times... and the Exorcist is a great example of allowing "a kid" to be absolutely horrifying.
Survivors are another story. I agree with an above poster - showing, like, the actual main kids from Stranger Things being gruesomely murdered would not be something I'd want in this game. Hell, even Nancy and Steve made me a little uncomfortable at first. I got over it quickly, but the characters were reasonably wholesome in the series... and sticking them on meat hooks or Moring them the first few times was a light shock to the system. Especially as Hag. Good lord her Mori is brutal.
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I want to disagree with your comment on that idea (an opinion shared by @UMCorian ) that the devs comments somehow only apply to the survivors of Dead By Daylight. Until we see a creepy child killer I'll continue to maintain that this statement from the devs operate both ways, simply because there's no real reason to think otherwise. We know that the entity encourages its killers to do its bidding in a variety of ways including torture: mentally, emotionally, and physically. The killers either willingly choose to serve the entity or are forced into it, and we know that the killers who look less human and are more twisted and corrupted are the ones who were tortured most. Though this isn't ever really explicitly visualized, I think the nature of the game and its confirmed lore are enough to make people (and the devs) uneasy about this topic.
I want to make clear that the realm of the entity isn't a nice place for anybody (unless you're an insane serial killer [For example, we know Ghostface is canonically the killer that is closest to straight up enjoying spending his days in the realm of the entity]), survivors or killers. The killers themselves are put through their own hell, again under threat of force and torture if they do anything against the will of the entity. It's also been implied that the Killers never see anyone outside the trials, where the survivors meet each other at the campfire, the killers are forever alone, tormented by their isolation, which potentially fuels their anger, rage, frustration, which then manifests into bloodlust.
So no, I don't think it only applies to survivors, I do think it goes both ways, in which case, that automatically shoots down anyone's arguments about the Legion being any younger than at most 17 years of age. But it's within decent likelihood every character in Dead By Daylight is at least 18 years of age.
As for Frank getting his hands on Drugs and Alcohol but not any of the others, I assume you're referring to Memory 472 from the Legion's Story "Soldiers of Mayhem" in Tome III: Escalation. The quote just states that he should up to the party with gifts, (likely as a show of good faith and courtesy): "Frank shows up with drugs and drinks. Party treats." However, nowhere in the lore does it ever state that it had to be Frank, and that Joey and Susie were incapable of obtaining these products themselves, legally or otherwise. So the implication you make that Frank is the only one who can legally drink and then buys this stuff for the rest of them is purely an assumption.
Also I don't generally consider the cosmetics as truly reliable sources of information, so I'm not exactly swayed by the evidence you brought up. The most reliable cosmetics lore-wise are the ones that actually ship with the tome and are connected to a major story, that would be Bush Party for Julie - the one with the first mask that the Legion wore as a group and Julie wearing a red flannel and hood. It actually does say in the description of the outfit as a whole "Rugged and confident apparel for throwing back a few..." so we know that Julie does drink (confidently too) at the very least, which again, may point to at least her being the most likely of the group to be the same age as Frank.
Although you and I would probably find more common ground saying that she's 18, since this mutually covers both of our theories about Julie at the very least, though again according to my own personal headcanon she's the same age.
Which, again, if everyone is younger than Frank (& Julie) then that would potentially put Susie and Joey at 17, although I do want to mention younger is a subjective term and doesn't actually have to be in years, it could be that everyone is Younger than Frank by a couple of months. Not quite a satisfying answer, but it's still a logical rationale.
P.S. @Volfawott I want to know where exactly you found that Frank was held back a year? I did a bunch of digging and nowhere in the lore is it expressly stated that Frank was held back, not in the introductory lore that the Legion was first shipped with on chapter release, and not with their subsequent story in the archives either. It's something that I just skimmed by at first, but I now realize that if this isn't true it kind of crumbles your entire theory, because that would mean if he wasn't held back a year and is 19 years old he most definitely wouldn't be a senior. And since he's not a senior but the cosmetic is still under the collection name "Fairview Seniors" that does prove the point that cosmetics are unreliable sources of canon information.
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As for being the most twisted or most monstrous meaning day what tortured the most this is actually incorrect people like Hag weren't tortured they work for The Entity because they made an agreement with The Entity.
So far the only confirmed victims of torture have been nurse doctor and Trapper.
Billy and Bubba are implied to be afraid of torture and Punishment but there's no implication as to how their past experiences with it was
That is with the assumption that he wasn't held back.
I tend to use the archives for the Legion very sparingly considering it's already filled with a lot of retcon that doesn't align with their actual lore.
However if you want to use it he is in the same classes as Julie but not Joey or Susie in fact she has to introduce him to them later on at her party.
We already know that he's 19 at the time also if you read the description of his jacket Fairview senior outfit you read this "Punching a basketball referee and flunking classes weren't enough for Frank to get out of Ormond." Held the flanking classes alone is definitely reason enough to assume that he would be held back.
Also yes well Julie's outfit does imply that she drinks it doesn't necessarily mean that you could use it as sufficient evidence for her age the Legion members do drugs which is not exactly legal for their age so it's very easy for Julie to be below the legal drinking age and still drinking in fact that just kind of happens in real life as well with teenagers.
The reason why the statement they made it doesn't go both ways was specifically because they mentioned you can't have somebody like the hag rip out dustin's guts. Considering he made that distinction it means he was not addressing this towards Killers.
If the statement was taken both ways he would have said something more along the lines of having our characters in inappropriate situations but considering he only specifically mentioned survivors and how they would interact with the brutality that kills can put out to them it's quite obvious this is only directed towards survivors.
In the same way my theory hinges on Frank being held back your theory hinges on the statement going both ways. Which arises a problem as the only time the statement or similar statements are ever brought up it's in the context of describing survivors not Killers so it's safe to assume that it only applies to them.
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I feel like Frank is definitely 19 from the story, I think julie is 17-18, susie 16-17, and Joey 18-19
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I hope not or else I might be in a bit of trouble
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Well if it helps Frank is definitely legal.
Julie is most likely also legal.
Susie the less about that the better
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Iirc, Susie is 17
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