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Why are Survivors allowed to Smurf?

AvisDeene
AvisDeene Member Posts: 2,396

Whats the deal with matching highly experienced Survivors with low ranked Killers? Can there not be a system to where Survivors who reach rank 1 can't de-rank past rank 5? Why isn't there a system that protects low ranked Killers from smurf SWF death squads?

Shouldn't matchmaking match low skilled Killers with low skilled Survivors so they could better learn the game and not get frustrated? If there is a rank 1-5 in a SWF then the Killer should be a rank 1-5. If friends want to teach their friends about the game, they can play KYF.

I try not to take the game seriously, especially when playing the Killer role, but something as simple as this should have been implemented as soon as SWF was introduced.

Comments

  • th3
    th3 Member Posts: 1,845

    Every survivor who is below rank 5 is a smurf wanting to bully killers

  • dspaceman20
    dspaceman20 Member Posts: 4,699

    I have been seeing this term for a while now and I have to ask

    What is Smurf? Can someone explain please?

  • AvisDeene
    AvisDeene Member Posts: 2,396

    When a player intentionally de-ranks in order to stomp on lowbie players. It is very common in video games.

  • PigMainClaudette
    PigMainClaudette Member Posts: 3,842

    This seems more like a matchmaking issue than smurfing. I have smurf accounts, but one's for the Rank 20 friend I rarely play with and the other is because I'm bored of getting smashed by rank 1's against teams that are at 5 or less.

    If they are a true smurf account, then they generally have weaker perks due to not having teachables available.

  • AvisDeene
    AvisDeene Member Posts: 2,396

    It is equally both. Matchmaking should never match low skill players versus high skill players. Players, Killers nor Survivors, should be able to de-rank more than 4 ranks from their highest. I would go so far as to say that ranking should also take into account the amount of time someone has invested into the game.

  • PigMainClaudette
    PigMainClaudette Member Posts: 3,842

    So, what about people who leave the game for a few months? Or people like me who don't want to be anywhere near Red ranks any more because of the sweat?

  • th3
    th3 Member Posts: 1,845

    For real though, mmr will fix that as current rank system is more activity based.

  • Freki
    Freki Member Posts: 1,903

    only if it is implemented properly and took into account dc's properly (intentional or unintentional) FARMING killers, FARMING SURVIVORS.... and much, MUCH MORE! Also it needs to take into account those that intentionally de-rank. so unfortunately MMR will never work properly

  • weirdkid5
    weirdkid5 Member Posts: 2,144

    This is why there needs to be:

    A. An overall metric of MMR that isn't the outdated rank system and

    B. Some form of public matching without rankings where more chill style of play is welcomed.

    Players shouldn't need to smurf or do nonsensical busy work to get into a certain ranking because they either roflstomp noobs or can't handle the big leagues.

  • MrPeterPFL
    MrPeterPFL Member Posts: 636

    A killer can smurf too, they can either purposely de-rank or not play killer for a few months so rank reset can bring them back to lower ranks to play against lower skilled survivors.

    This is why Behaviour is trying to fix the MMR system where Rank does not matter and you’ll be matched with players with the same “skill”.

  • steezo_de
    steezo_de Member Posts: 1,213


    For the record, that's not smurfing. Intentionally deranking is just deranking. Smurfing is using an alt-account for whatever reason, including noob-stomping, trolling, and stalking.

  • Axe
    Axe Member Posts: 1,060

    Smurfing? I am in rank 4 and still get matched with rank 10-15. Not our fault matchmaking is #########


    Also people who depip on purpose do it probaly cause they cant handle the bullshit games that exist in red ranks


    Forever freddy, stridor spirit etc. Some people prefer to stay in green ranks cause its more fun and casual, you dont face the same boring killers over and over and over again

  • TimeOutTimmy
    TimeOutTimmy Member Posts: 135

    I hop on my kids accounts to get them bloodpoints and perks. Sometimes it is nice to try out a new perk, or combo, without the stress of the game.

    Side note... I have ran into wayyy more potatoes and toxicity from lower ranks than I ever do in red. So many messages, and so many people expecting to be carried and given the win.

    Sorry folks, if you make it to final gen and you have under 9000 bps... you need to work on the "team" part of your game.

  • MadLordJack
    MadLordJack Member Posts: 8,814

    What about the people you're going against who have no chance against you and and whom you're basically toying with? It's bad enough that those players are in red ranks, but deliberately choosing to play against them? How do you think it makes them feel to know that even if they win it's because you took pity on them?

    DbD may be a casual game, but that's not a feeling that ever lessens because of that. Good players should be stuck with good players, for better or for worse.

  • PigMainClaudette
    PigMainClaudette Member Posts: 3,842

    Well, I'm not going back to Rank 20. And I literally can't compete against Rank 1 killers with teams all Rank 5 or less, but I can safety pip. It sucks and I've had enough.

    I'm also attempting to get to Purple with only Claudette and Jake. No Exhaustion perk at all. Currently also levelling up Adam for something different as well, try some new stuff.

    My main strength is stealth, and it isn't 100% reliable. Iron Will is FANTASTIC for loosing people in a chase, but if they have line of sight, it's useless.


    As for killer, I just don't devote enough time to it for my rank to reflect my skill level. And I admit that I need to play more killer. But half the characters I have levelled are all at lv.1/2 perks across the board.

  • Aneurysm
    Aneurysm Member Posts: 5,270

    I think doing it like that is fine. I made one once to practice nurse and huntress on console, but I had rules for it (no good perks, no addons, can only attack with power, let them all go in the end) although that was before rank 20 killers were regularly put against red survivors so it'd be kinda pointless now.

  • Freki
    Freki Member Posts: 1,903
    edited October 2020

    I'd like a better match making function but i don't think mmr is it. I don't trust how it was doing it. TBH I don't think mmr was even turned on when they put it in. I honestly don't have faith that it exists but is there to be blamed if there is a problem once they "turn it on again" I feel they just turned off match making and hoped for the best. it's only my opinion and i can only say I was never matched properly when it came back in. I was facing people who outclassed me with their killer when i played survivor, or I was placed against people that weren't very skilled when I was killer. but it is only conjecture that there was no mmr at all because they say there was and since it wasn't visible and there was no visible means of proving or disproving then there was nothing I could say against it. convenient for them! :) and yes i saw the sarcasm there too :)

  • overchan
    overchan Member Posts: 53

    smurfs are normally high rank players that create a secondary account to play as and against low ranks

  • overchan
    overchan Member Posts: 53

    smurfs are normally high rank players that create a secondary account to play as and against low ranks

  • Clevite
    Clevite Member Posts: 4,335

    So many Smurfs in this game. It drives me crazy. And don't be fooled, it is on both sides. I don't know why they let an account keep deranking after not being played. Like if you are red rank and you come back after awhile, Do you really need to start as a rank 20? Ofcourse not. And both sides exploit this with multiple accounts. I personally can't wait for MMR. It can't be worse then the current situation.