Counter to Rancor?
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@Wolf74 said:
@UncannyLuck said:
How are the things listed not counters? What do you think a counter is?Something that really keeps things from happening.
What you are referring to is called a "Hard Counter". Something that lessons the effect is known as a "Soft Counter". You're both right.
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I find the perk to be fun trying to guess if the killer has this perk. Also wondering if it is worth saving the other survivor. This bring a great side to game far as horror.MegaWaffle said:@PigMainBigBrain said:
@projecteulogy said:
Not Sole Survivor.I can't seem to find any counter to it. At all. With the exception of SS... And telling anyone to run this trash perk is like telling a Wraith or Mikey to run Distressing...(unless you're purely farming BP)
It took them how long for Calm Spirit to help counter The Doctor... but.. I'm sure I'm going to regret asking any type of questions regardless of my playtime. I feel like the dev is constantly kicking Solo players in the nads while doing nothing to SWF as both Killers and Solo players have mostly crappy games when paired against SWFs(the sandbagging etc)
The counter to rancor is to get the hell out...immediately. Don't dance around at the gates, don't go back looking for boxes, when the gates open leave. Counter it the same way you counter noED...LEAVE!
NOED can be broken and even if you are hooked you can be saved. Rancor cannot be broken, reveals everyone for 3 seconds and allows you to be moried instantly.
I never use obsession perks and for the most part some random player using D-strike will get it, but I have had games where I was never even seen until the VERY END of the game and instantly got moried because I randomly got selected for obsession. I do feel like it seems unfair if you become the obsession without having used any obsession perks.
I don't think the perk is over powered just a very anti-climatic/un-fun thing to have happen to you during a match. Something that can instantly kill you simply because the game chose you as obsession. Its different if you bought d-strike in and gambled with the possibility.
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@Iceman said:
MegaWaffle said:@PigMainBigBrain said:
@projecteulogy said:
Not Sole Survivor.
I can't seem to find any counter to it. At all. With the exception of SS... And telling anyone to run this trash perk is like telling a Wraith or Mikey to run Distressing...(unless you're purely farming BP)
It took them how long for Calm Spirit to help counter The Doctor... but.. I'm sure I'm going to regret asking any type of questions regardless of my playtime. I feel like the dev is constantly kicking Solo players in the nads while doing nothing to SWF as both Killers and Solo players have mostly crappy games when paired against SWFs(the sandbagging etc)
The counter to rancor is to get the hell out...immediately. Don't dance around at the gates, don't go back looking for boxes, when the gates open leave. Counter it the same way you counter noED...LEAVE!
NOED can be broken and even if you are hooked you can be saved. Rancor cannot be broken, reveals everyone for 3 seconds and allows you to be moried instantly.
I never use obsession perks and for the most part some random player using D-strike will get it, but I have had games where I was never even seen until the VERY END of the game and instantly got moried because I randomly got selected for obsession. I do feel like it seems unfair if you become the obsession without having used any obsession perks.
I don't think the perk is over powered just a very anti-climatic/un-fun thing to have happen to you during a match. Something that can instantly kill you simply because the game chose you as obsession. Its different if you bought d-strike in and gambled with the possibility.
I find the perk to be fun trying to guess if the killer has this perk. Also wondering if it is worth saving the other survivor. This bring a great side to game far as horror.
You don't have to guess. You can see the Killer every time a gen is completed, and thus know for a fact he has it.
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@FrenziedRoach said:
@Wolf74 said:
@UncannyLuck said:
How are the things listed not counters? What do you think a counter is?Something that really keeps things from happening.
What you are referring to is called a "Hard Counter". Something that lessons the effect is known as a "Soft Counter". You're both right.
Yes, your kinda right, but I hate if survivor count any "soft counter" as a "hard counter", but they want "hard counter" for everything that a killer has, despite the fact that they already have way to many perkless mechanics in their advantage.
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Oh snap I forgot all about that 😂😂😂, well it is still fun in my opinion knowing that the killer can come after you toward the end of the game.BigBlackMori said:@Iceman said:
MegaWaffle said:@PigMainBigBrain said:
@projecteulogy said:
Not Sole Survivor.
I can't seem to find any counter to it. At all. With the exception of SS... And telling anyone to run this trash perk is like telling a Wraith or Mikey to run Distressing...(unless you're purely farming BP)
It took them how long for Calm Spirit to help counter The Doctor... but.. I'm sure I'm going to regret asking any type of questions regardless of my playtime. I feel like the dev is constantly kicking Solo players in the nads while doing nothing to SWF as both Killers and Solo players have mostly crappy games when paired against SWFs(the sandbagging etc)
The counter to rancor is to get the hell out...immediately. Don't dance around at the gates, don't go back looking for boxes, when the gates open leave. Counter it the same way you counter noED...LEAVE!
NOED can be broken and even if you are hooked you can be saved. Rancor cannot be broken, reveals everyone for 3 seconds and allows you to be moried instantly.
I never use obsession perks and for the most part some random player using D-strike will get it, but I have had games where I was never even seen until the VERY END of the game and instantly got moried because I randomly got selected for obsession. I do feel like it seems unfair if you become the obsession without having used any obsession perks.
I don't think the perk is over powered just a very anti-climatic/un-fun thing to have happen to you during a match. Something that can instantly kill you simply because the game chose you as obsession. Its different if you bought d-strike in and gambled with the possibility.
I find the perk to be fun trying to guess if the killer has this perk. Also wondering if it is worth saving the other survivor. This bring a great side to game far as horror.
You don't have to guess. You can see the Killer every time a gen is completed, and thus know for a fact he has it.
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Yeah they're soft counters. The only thing that hard counters healing is Madness 3 I believe. Well and No Mither lol. Actually I guess if they ever make a perk that applies the new Broken status that'd be a hard counter.
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But at least you’ve made progress with the hook and it’s possible to take them out , we all have our opinions and I’d rather stop them all from popping than slug someone until all the gens pop just to mori that one survivor at the end and chance everyone escapingFrenziedRoach said:@lyric said:
BigBlackMori said:@lyric said:
DeadByFlashlight said:
@lyric said: I’ve been noticing some killers leave the obsession down like a fool and never pick them up because they are running rancor and don’t want to waste it , lol that’s supposed to be a last line of defense at the end game, I don’t understand why they would let the game get to that point to use one perk and totally ignore the main objective Thats what I have done pre-patch too. Usually its better to slugg the DS instead of losing momentum
No way man you’re way better off to try to finish everyone before the gens are done, when you leave someone down you’re offering second chances you don’t have as a killer, leaving the ds down and letting them get back up everytime is the equivalent of getting ds and them getting away everytime you catch them , you might as well give them a chance to waste it and hook them to put more pressure on the survivors.
You are, again, wrong. Most Killers slug or ignore obsessions because moe than likel they're using DS. Sometimes I just get the DS out of the way if i'm not using rancor, buy if I am i just ignore or leave them on the ground. i can always just kill them later.
But my point is that leaving them down is just like DS because they get back up and get away again and you didn’t even make them waste it and didn’t hook anyone, literally you are wasting time with a chase if that’s how you’re ending it because of a perk that can only be used once.
In that you are mistaken.
While the hook would be preferable, downing somebody and leaving them has the same effect on the generator game as hooking somebody - somebody needs to leave a gen to pick them up again.
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@projecteulogy said:
@PigMainBigBrain said:
@projecteulogy said:
Not Sole Survivor.I can't seem to find any counter to it. At all. With the exception of SS... And telling anyone to run this trash perk is like telling a Wraith or Mikey to run Distressing...(unless you're purely farming BP)
It took them how long for Calm Spirit to help counter The Doctor... but.. I'm sure I'm going to regret asking any type of questions regardless of my playtime. I feel like the dev is constantly kicking Solo players in the nads while doing nothing to SWF as both Killers and Solo players have mostly crappy games when paired against SWFs(the sandbagging etc)
The counter to ranchor is to get the hell out...immediately. Don't dance around at the gates, don't go back looking for boxes, when the gates open leave. Counter it the same way you counter noED...LEAVE!
cant leave with 4 gens left to be done.
When the gen is popped, im a sitting duck for 3 seconds. downed and hooked then camped and/or tunneled OR i'm slugged. Then if all gens are powered lol rip. There's so much aura reading now that in combo with Rancor makes it beyond brutal. If i get hooked after seeing i'm the obsession and rancor, i hook suicide. There's no fun to be had. Being on the ground or on the hook the whole time nets no points.
Now... if BHVR majorly boosted struggling and gave points for distance crawled i'd be less bitter.
Can we get a "Crawled x MILES" achievement? lol I would have that in a day
You do realize that the killer only sees your position and not your aura like you see the killers right? And You only get the exposed status and are killable after the last gen has been popped... It's not even near being uncounterable, it's just been a week. Ask again in another week or two when everyone knows how to play against this weak chapter
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@Wolf74 said:
@MegaWaffle said:
Rancor cannot be broken, reveals everyone for 3 seconds and allows you to be moried instantly.
"Instantly"... after all gens are done and you got warned that the killer has Rancor, it does not really quality as instantly.
Way to take the word out of context and crop my comment to fit your narrative. To use a Mori a specific set of steps must be achieved:
Down survivor
Hook survivor
Down again
Mori
Even the yellow Mori has the stipulation of having to Mori the last survivor after downing them.
Rancor gives you aura, exposed effect and instant Mori (No hook or last man stipulation). As the example I gave its unfair that you can spend the whole match never getting caught and not using obsession perks yet still fall victim to RNG obsession pick and get found once leading to instant down and instant Mori.
Its not a very interactive perk with potential counter play and isn't fun to be on the receiving end of. If you are taking a risk and using a obsession perk then its a little different because you risked being the obsession.1 -
@FrenziedRoach said:
@Wolf74 said:
@UncannyLuck said:
How are the things listed not counters? What do you think a counter is?Something that really keeps things from happening.
What you are referring to is called a "Hard Counter". Something that lessons the effect is known as a "Soft Counter". You're both right.
Don't forget about a hard surface generally used to prepare food or place items.
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Rancor doesnt give killers aura reading.0
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@Wolf74 said:
@projecteulogy said:
Not Sole Survivor.I can't seem to find any counter to it. At all.
And here we go again… survivor feel entitled to have a hard counter against EVERYTHING that a killer might bring up.
I still wait for a hard counter to SC, SB, DS.
But … oh wait… yea, these are all survivor perks… survivor perks don't have counter.
Only killer perks get counter build into their own perks.you have a really crappy reputation on the forum. nothing you say merits anything for me or my discussion, sorry fam.
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@ZombieGenesis said:
A sitting duck...for 3 seconds? I don't even know what to say to that.I play stealth. Several times ive had someone pop a gen while i was near them and i was immediately put in chase/downed due to Rancor.
Anyway. I was looking for something a long the lines of the counter to BBQ and Chili. aka hiding behind a generator, since Rancor has unlimited range.
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@Spiritbx said:
Rancor doesnt give killers aura reading.So its like a missed skillcheck?
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Flame the killer in post game chat.... that’ll show em... yeah
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I mean, advanced stealth is usually very good against aura Perks.
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It's a poor man's NOED/Devour Hope. I think it's a wasted slot, since it does next to nothing until the end of the game.
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RUN!
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I disagree, if a gen is done after I hooked a survivor. I know if some one is near since their location is revealed to me. I caught people healing with this perk.Eninya said:It's a poor man's NOED/Devour Hope. I think it's a wasted slot, since it does next to nothing until the end of the game.
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@projecteulogy said:
@Wolf74 said:
@projecteulogy said:
Not Sole Survivor.I can't seem to find any counter to it. At all.
And here we go again… survivor feel entitled to have a hard counter against EVERYTHING that a killer might bring up.
I still wait for a hard counter to SC, SB, DS.
But … oh wait… yea, these are all survivor perks… survivor perks don't have counter.
Only killer perks get counter build into their own perks.you have a really crappy reputation on the forum. nothing you say merits anything for me or my discussion, sorry fam.
Yea, crappy among biased survivor mains that do not give a crap about balance… I know… I can deal with that.
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@projecteulogy said:
Not Sole Survivor.I can't seem to find any counter to it. At all. With the exception of SS... And telling anyone to run this trash perk is like telling a Wraith or Mikey to run Distressing...(unless you're purely farming BP)
It took them how long for Calm Spirit to help counter The Doctor... but.. I'm sure I'm going to regret asking any type of questions regardless of my playtime. I feel like the dev is constantly kicking Solo players in the nads while doing nothing to SWF as both Killers and Solo players have mostly crappy games when paired against SWFs(the sandbagging etc)
@projecteulogy said:
Not Sole Survivor.I can't seem to find any counter to it. At all. With the exception of SS... And telling anyone to run this trash perk is like telling a Wraith or Mikey to run Distressing...(unless you're purely farming BP)
It took them how long for Calm Spirit to help counter The Doctor... but.. I'm sure I'm going to regret asking any type of questions regardless of my playtime. I feel like the dev is constantly kicking Solo players in the nads while doing nothing to SWF as both Killers and Solo players have mostly crappy games when paired against SWFs(the sandbagging etc)
@projecteulogy said:
Not Sole Survivor.I can't seem to find any counter to it. At all. With the exception of SS... And telling anyone to run this trash perk is like telling a Wraith or Mikey to run Distressing...(unless you're purely farming BP)
It took them how long for Calm Spirit to help counter The Doctor... but.. I'm sure I'm going to regret asking any type of questions regardless of my playtime. I feel like the dev is constantly kicking Solo players in the nads while doing nothing to SWF as both Killers and Solo players have mostly crappy games when paired against SWFs(the sandbagging etc)
the real problem is besides DS and how stupid it is it needs to be nerfed to the ground. the real issue is survivor obsession perks are very lack luster. if they actually made some decent worth while obsession perks for survivors you wouldn't see some one upset for being the obsession, with out an obsession perk as a perk they are running. In fact yesterday i made a post in the balance feedback area about obsession perks in general with my opinions on all of them survivors and killers. you should check it out.
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here is a novel idea how about make some exhaustion perks obsession perks. say for example dead hard, but make it so exhaustion perks that are flagged as obsession can recover while your running. aimed more at dead hard as an example. as dead hard sorta got hit the hardest in the exhaustion change. this could be a good way to help the perk out a little. but still limit the other perks like sprint burst to the current exhaustion rules.
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@Wolf74 said:
@projecteulogy said:
@Wolf74 said:
@projecteulogy said:
Not Sole Survivor.I can't seem to find any counter to it. At all.
And here we go again… survivor feel entitled to have a hard counter against EVERYTHING that a killer might bring up.
I still wait for a hard counter to SC, SB, DS.
But … oh wait… yea, these are all survivor perks… survivor perks don't have counter.
Only killer perks get counter build into their own perks.you have a really crappy reputation on the forum. nothing you say merits anything for me or my discussion, sorry fam.
Yea, crappy among biased survivor mains that do not give a crap about balance… I know… I can deal with that.
actually you're an overly agressive jerk. If you're not going to make an attempt at an answer, i'm going to continuously flag anything you post in here since you're being toxic and off topic.
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@Esheon said:
projecteulogy said:@Spiritbx said:
Rancor doesnt give killers aura reading.
So its like a missed skillcheck?
Yes. It's just like a loud noise alert. If you know the killer has Rancor, you need to move when a gen is done. The killer can't see which direction you go after the alert pops up.
They had to do it that way because an aura would be countered by The Spirit's own power.
This is what i needed to know. Ty. Now i can counter it without a problem.
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after reading a ton of comments.. ive found my answer. I also dont know why everyone assumes i'm running DS or another obsession perk. So, again I don't run obsession perks.
I run:
Urban Evasion
Iron Will
Premonition
*Calm Spirit/WGLF- is my sub perk slot. I cookie cutter mostly stealth perks because i'm bad at looping and cant 360 because i have issues with the keyboard/mouse. I'm old. cut me some slack.
0 - is my sub perk slot. I cookie cutter mostly stealth perks because i'm bad at looping and cant 360 because i have issues with the keyboard/mouse. I'm old. cut me some slack.
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@Tzeentchling9 said:
Don't run DS.
Use the fact that Rancor tells you exactly where the Killer is.
Don't stick around when the gates are open.EZ
Edit: Also Sole Survivor does literally nothing since Rancor isn't aura reading.
I get rancor a lot and I don't run any obsession perks as survivor. It also favors me over the others with DS or whatsoever.
I usually just sneak as much as I can and stay out of the killers terror radius or try my best to pay attention to their location.
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@Gay Myers (Luzi) said:
@Tzeentchling9 said:
Don't run DS.
Use the fact that Rancor tells you exactly where the Killer is.
Don't stick around when the gates are open.EZ
Edit: Also Sole Survivor does literally nothing since Rancor isn't aura reading.
I get rancor a lot and I don't run any obsession perks as survivor. It also favors me over the others with DS or whatsoever.
I usually just sneak as much as I can and stay out of the killers terror radius or try my best to pay attention to their location.
... I thought a survivor with an obsession perk will always get picked over someone who doesn’t have one? That’s what it used to be at least
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@Jack11803 said:
@Gay Myers (Luzi) said:
@Tzeentchling9 said:
Don't run DS.
Use the fact that Rancor tells you exactly where the Killer is.
Don't stick around when the gates are open.EZ
Edit: Also Sole Survivor does literally nothing since Rancor isn't aura reading.
I get rancor a lot and I don't run any obsession perks as survivor. It also favors me over the others with DS or whatsoever.
I usually just sneak as much as I can and stay out of the killers terror radius or try my best to pay attention to their location.
... I thought a survivor with an obsession perk will always get picked over someone who doesn’t have one? That’s what it used to be at least
Apparently not always. A obsession perk only increases the chance to be the obsession, but it is not a definitive.
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@Gay Myers (Luzi) said:
@Jack11803 said:
@Gay Myers (Luzi) said:
@Tzeentchling9 said:
Don't run DS.
Use the fact that Rancor tells you exactly where the Killer is.
Don't stick around when the gates are open.EZ
Edit: Also Sole Survivor does literally nothing since Rancor isn't aura reading.
I get rancor a lot and I don't run any obsession perks as survivor. It also favors me over the others with DS or whatsoever.
I usually just sneak as much as I can and stay out of the killers terror radius or try my best to pay attention to their location.
... I thought a survivor with an obsession perk will always get picked over someone who doesn’t have one? That’s what it used to be at least
Apparently not always. A obsession perk only increases the chance to be the obsession, but it is not a definitive.
Huh. Must increase it by a ton then. I know if a survivor has an obsession perk but killer doesn’t it’s girenteed. So it must be the killer perk that throws it off. Kinda dumb, given rancor is good for countering DS.
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@Jack11803 said:
@Gay Myers (Luzi) said:
@Jack11803 said:
@Gay Myers (Luzi) said:
@Tzeentchling9 said:
Don't run DS.
Use the fact that Rancor tells you exactly where the Killer is.
Don't stick around when the gates are open.EZ
Edit: Also Sole Survivor does literally nothing since Rancor isn't aura reading.
I get rancor a lot and I don't run any obsession perks as survivor. It also favors me over the others with DS or whatsoever.
I usually just sneak as much as I can and stay out of the killers terror radius or try my best to pay attention to their location.
... I thought a survivor with an obsession perk will always get picked over someone who doesn’t have one? That’s what it used to be at least
Apparently not always. A obsession perk only increases the chance to be the obsession, but it is not a definitive.
Huh. Must increase it by a ton then. I know if a survivor has an obsession perk but killer doesn’t it’s girenteed. So it must be the killer perk that throws it off. Kinda dumb, given rancor is good for countering DS.
I'm fairly certain that's a bug.
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@Jack11803 said:
@Gay Myers (Luzi) said:
@Jack11803 said:
@Gay Myers (Luzi) said:
@Tzeentchling9 said:
Don't run DS.
Use the fact that Rancor tells you exactly where the Killer is.
Don't stick around when the gates are open.EZ
Edit: Also Sole Survivor does literally nothing since Rancor isn't aura reading.
I get rancor a lot and I don't run any obsession perks as survivor. It also favors me over the others with DS or whatsoever.
I usually just sneak as much as I can and stay out of the killers terror radius or try my best to pay attention to their location.
... I thought a survivor with an obsession perk will always get picked over someone who doesn’t have one? That’s what it used to be at least
Apparently not always. A obsession perk only increases the chance to be the obsession, but it is not a definitive.
Huh. Must increase it by a ton then. I know if a survivor has an obsession perk but killer doesn’t it’s girenteed. So it must be the killer perk that throws it off. Kinda dumb, given rancor is good for countering DS.
Yes, exactly. If a killer does not have a obsession perk, only survivors with obsession perks will be thrown around, but if the killer has a obsession perk, it is possible for a survivor with no obsession perk to be the obsession.
I have a friend that always runs DS and I would be DL but he wouldn't.
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@Orion said:
@Jack11803 said:
@Gay Myers (Luzi) said:
@Jack11803 said:
@Gay Myers (Luzi) said:
@Tzeentchling9 said:
Don't run DS.
Use the fact that Rancor tells you exactly where the Killer is.
Don't stick around when the gates are open.EZ
Edit: Also Sole Survivor does literally nothing since Rancor isn't aura reading.
I get rancor a lot and I don't run any obsession perks as survivor. It also favors me over the others with DS or whatsoever.
I usually just sneak as much as I can and stay out of the killers terror radius or try my best to pay attention to their location.
... I thought a survivor with an obsession perk will always get picked over someone who doesn’t have one? That’s what it used to be at least
Apparently not always. A obsession perk only increases the chance to be the obsession, but it is not a definitive.
Huh. Must increase it by a ton then. I know if a survivor has an obsession perk but killer doesn’t it’s girenteed. So it must be the killer perk that throws it off. Kinda dumb, given rancor is good for countering DS.
I'm fairly certain that's a bug.
Not really. Otherwise the perk description of survivor perks would actively mention that you are the obsession for sure. It only increases to be the obsession. If the killer has a obsession perk, a survivor with no obsession perks has the possibility to be the obsession.
That's why it says it increases the chance to be the killer's obsession, but it's not guaranteed. The word Increases is the main factor. It is not a 100% chance if other survivors have a obsession perk or if the killer is running one.
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@Gay Myers (Luzi) said:
@Orion said:
@Jack11803 said:
@Gay Myers (Luzi) said:
@Jack11803 said:
@Gay Myers (Luzi) said:
@Tzeentchling9 said:
Don't run DS.
Use the fact that Rancor tells you exactly where the Killer is.
Don't stick around when the gates are open.EZ
Edit: Also Sole Survivor does literally nothing since Rancor isn't aura reading.
I get rancor a lot and I don't run any obsession perks as survivor. It also favors me over the others with DS or whatsoever.
I usually just sneak as much as I can and stay out of the killers terror radius or try my best to pay attention to their location.
... I thought a survivor with an obsession perk will always get picked over someone who doesn’t have one? That’s what it used to be at least
Apparently not always. A obsession perk only increases the chance to be the obsession, but it is not a definitive.
Huh. Must increase it by a ton then. I know if a survivor has an obsession perk but killer doesn’t it’s girenteed. So it must be the killer perk that throws it off. Kinda dumb, given rancor is good for countering DS.
I'm fairly certain that's a bug.
Not really. Otherwise the perk description of survivor perks would actively mention that you are the obsession for sure. It only increases to be the obsession. If the killer has a obsession perk, a survivor with no obsession perks has the possibility to be the obsession.
That's why it says it increases the chance to be the killer's obsession, but it's not guaranteed. The word Increases is the main factor. It is not a 100% chance if other survivors have a obsession perk or if the killer is running one.
My understanding is that if one or more Survivors have Obsession perks, then they and only they will be the Obsession, no matter what perks the Killer has. We should ask the devs about this.
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@Orion said:
@Gay Myers (Luzi) said:
@Orion said:
@Jack11803 said:
@Gay Myers (Luzi) said:
@Jack11803 said:
@Gay Myers (Luzi) said:
@Tzeentchling9 said:
Don't run DS.
Use the fact that Rancor tells you exactly where the Killer is.
Don't stick around when the gates are open.EZ
Edit: Also Sole Survivor does literally nothing since Rancor isn't aura reading.
I get rancor a lot and I don't run any obsession perks as survivor. It also favors me over the others with DS or whatsoever.
I usually just sneak as much as I can and stay out of the killers terror radius or try my best to pay attention to their location.
... I thought a survivor with an obsession perk will always get picked over someone who doesn’t have one? That’s what it used to be at least
Apparently not always. A obsession perk only increases the chance to be the obsession, but it is not a definitive.
Huh. Must increase it by a ton then. I know if a survivor has an obsession perk but killer doesn’t it’s girenteed. So it must be the killer perk that throws it off. Kinda dumb, given rancor is good for countering DS.
I'm fairly certain that's a bug.
Not really. Otherwise the perk description of survivor perks would actively mention that you are the obsession for sure. It only increases to be the obsession. If the killer has a obsession perk, a survivor with no obsession perks has the possibility to be the obsession.
That's why it says it increases the chance to be the killer's obsession, but it's not guaranteed. The word Increases is the main factor. It is not a 100% chance if other survivors have a obsession perk or if the killer is running one.
My understanding is that if one or more Survivors have Obsession perks, then they and only they will be the Obsession, no matter what perks the Killer has. We should ask the devs about this.
This is the sentence of every survivor perks: "Increases your chance to be the Killer's Obsession."
It says specifically increases and the way it's worded is very clear. It does not say you are for sure the obsession. So if the killer has a obsession perk and the rng decides to not pick the survivor with a obsession perk, it might take someone with no obsession perk.
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@Orion said:
@Gay Myers (Luzi) said:
@Orion said:
@Jack11803 said:
@Gay Myers (Luzi) said:
@Jack11803 said:
@Gay Myers (Luzi) said:
@Tzeentchling9 said:
Don't run DS.
Use the fact that Rancor tells you exactly where the Killer is.
Don't stick around when the gates are open.EZ
Edit: Also Sole Survivor does literally nothing since Rancor isn't aura reading.
I get rancor a lot and I don't run any obsession perks as survivor. It also favors me over the others with DS or whatsoever.
I usually just sneak as much as I can and stay out of the killers terror radius or try my best to pay attention to their location.
... I thought a survivor with an obsession perk will always get picked over someone who doesn’t have one? That’s what it used to be at least
Apparently not always. A obsession perk only increases the chance to be the obsession, but it is not a definitive.
Huh. Must increase it by a ton then. I know if a survivor has an obsession perk but killer doesn’t it’s girenteed. So it must be the killer perk that throws it off. Kinda dumb, given rancor is good for countering DS.
I'm fairly certain that's a bug.
Not really. Otherwise the perk description of survivor perks would actively mention that you are the obsession for sure. It only increases to be the obsession. If the killer has a obsession perk, a survivor with no obsession perks has the possibility to be the obsession.
That's why it says it increases the chance to be the killer's obsession, but it's not guaranteed. The word Increases is the main factor. It is not a 100% chance if other survivors have a obsession perk or if the killer is running one.
My understanding is that if one or more Survivors have Obsession perks, then they and only they will be the Obsession, no matter what perks the Killer has. We should ask the devs about this.
Yeah, I’ve never had it not do that before this update. Maybe it is a bug. Increase is ambiguous. It could increase the chance to 100%
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@Jack11803 said:
@Orion said:
@Gay Myers (Luzi) said:
@Orion said:
@Jack11803 said:
@Gay Myers (Luzi) said:
@Jack11803 said:
@Gay Myers (Luzi) said:
@Tzeentchling9 said:
Don't run DS.
Use the fact that Rancor tells you exactly where the Killer is.
Don't stick around when the gates are open.EZ
Edit: Also Sole Survivor does literally nothing since Rancor isn't aura reading.
I get rancor a lot and I don't run any obsession perks as survivor. It also favors me over the others with DS or whatsoever.
I usually just sneak as much as I can and stay out of the killers terror radius or try my best to pay attention to their location.
... I thought a survivor with an obsession perk will always get picked over someone who doesn’t have one? That’s what it used to be at least
Apparently not always. A obsession perk only increases the chance to be the obsession, but it is not a definitive.
Huh. Must increase it by a ton then. I know if a survivor has an obsession perk but killer doesn’t it’s girenteed. So it must be the killer perk that throws it off. Kinda dumb, given rancor is good for countering DS.
I'm fairly certain that's a bug.
Not really. Otherwise the perk description of survivor perks would actively mention that you are the obsession for sure. It only increases to be the obsession. If the killer has a obsession perk, a survivor with no obsession perks has the possibility to be the obsession.
That's why it says it increases the chance to be the killer's obsession, but it's not guaranteed. The word Increases is the main factor. It is not a 100% chance if other survivors have a obsession perk or if the killer is running one.
My understanding is that if one or more Survivors have Obsession perks, then they and only they will be the Obsession, no matter what perks the Killer has. We should ask the devs about this.
Yeah, I’ve never had it not do that before this update. Maybe it is a bug. Increase is ambiguous. It could increase the chance to 100%
It happened to me before the update and it always been like this since I started playing. It was never a definitive and I would be the obsession sometimes if the killer had obsession perks even if a survivor had DS or whatsoever.
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@Gay Myers (Luzi) said:
@Orion said:
@Gay Myers (Luzi) said:
@Orion said:
@Jack11803 said:
@Gay Myers (Luzi) said:
@Jack11803 said:
@Gay Myers (Luzi) said:
@Tzeentchling9 said:
Don't run DS.
Use the fact that Rancor tells you exactly where the Killer is.
Don't stick around when the gates are open.EZ
Edit: Also Sole Survivor does literally nothing since Rancor isn't aura reading.
I get rancor a lot and I don't run any obsession perks as survivor. It also favors me over the others with DS or whatsoever.
I usually just sneak as much as I can and stay out of the killers terror radius or try my best to pay attention to their location.
... I thought a survivor with an obsession perk will always get picked over someone who doesn’t have one? That’s what it used to be at least
Apparently not always. A obsession perk only increases the chance to be the obsession, but it is not a definitive.
Huh. Must increase it by a ton then. I know if a survivor has an obsession perk but killer doesn’t it’s girenteed. So it must be the killer perk that throws it off. Kinda dumb, given rancor is good for countering DS.
I'm fairly certain that's a bug.
Not really. Otherwise the perk description of survivor perks would actively mention that you are the obsession for sure. It only increases to be the obsession. If the killer has a obsession perk, a survivor with no obsession perks has the possibility to be the obsession.
That's why it says it increases the chance to be the killer's obsession, but it's not guaranteed. The word Increases is the main factor. It is not a 100% chance if other survivors have a obsession perk or if the killer is running one.
My understanding is that if one or more Survivors have Obsession perks, then they and only they will be the Obsession, no matter what perks the Killer has. We should ask the devs about this.
This is the sentence of every survivor perks: "Increases your chance to be the Killer's Obsession."
It says specifically increases and the way it's worded is very clear. It does not say you are for sure the obsession. So if the killer has a obsession perk and the rng decides to not pick the survivor with a obsession perk, it might take someone with no obsession perk.
Calm Spirit also doesn't say birds will fly away if you step on them (although it's obvious, IMO). Perks don't always reflect the full nature of a mechanic. IIRC, the devs intended for it to work in the way I mentioned.
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@Orion said:
@Gay Myers (Luzi) said:
@Orion said:
@Gay Myers (Luzi) said:
@Orion said:
@Jack11803 said:
@Gay Myers (Luzi) said:
@Jack11803 said:
@Gay Myers (Luzi) said:
@Tzeentchling9 said:
Don't run DS.
Use the fact that Rancor tells you exactly where the Killer is.
Don't stick around when the gates are open.EZ
Edit: Also Sole Survivor does literally nothing since Rancor isn't aura reading.
I get rancor a lot and I don't run any obsession perks as survivor. It also favors me over the others with DS or whatsoever.
I usually just sneak as much as I can and stay out of the killers terror radius or try my best to pay attention to their location.
... I thought a survivor with an obsession perk will always get picked over someone who doesn’t have one? That’s what it used to be at least
Apparently not always. A obsession perk only increases the chance to be the obsession, but it is not a definitive.
Huh. Must increase it by a ton then. I know if a survivor has an obsession perk but killer doesn’t it’s girenteed. So it must be the killer perk that throws it off. Kinda dumb, given rancor is good for countering DS.
I'm fairly certain that's a bug.
Not really. Otherwise the perk description of survivor perks would actively mention that you are the obsession for sure. It only increases to be the obsession. If the killer has a obsession perk, a survivor with no obsession perks has the possibility to be the obsession.
That's why it says it increases the chance to be the killer's obsession, but it's not guaranteed. The word Increases is the main factor. It is not a 100% chance if other survivors have a obsession perk or if the killer is running one.
My understanding is that if one or more Survivors have Obsession perks, then they and only they will be the Obsession, no matter what perks the Killer has. We should ask the devs about this.
This is the sentence of every survivor perks: "Increases your chance to be the Killer's Obsession."
It says specifically increases and the way it's worded is very clear. It does not say you are for sure the obsession. So if the killer has a obsession perk and the rng decides to not pick the survivor with a obsession perk, it might take someone with no obsession perk.
Calm Spirit also doesn't say birds will fly away if you step on them (although it's obvious, IMO). Perks don't always reflect the full nature of a mechanic. IIRC, the devs intended for it to work in the way I mentioned.
I can try asking, but I remember they mentioned it was not a 100% chance if the killer has a obsession perk and it happened before 2.0. to me and friends already. Also to NQ on live stream, where she was DL even tho other survivors had DS.
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Dont be obsession.
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It's happened to me too. I've been the DL even though someone else had DS and i had no obsession perks. As a guess, I'd say killer obsession perks increase the chance to be the obsession for each survivor.Gay Myers (Luzi) said:@Orion said:
@Gay Myers (Luzi) said:
@Orion said:
@Gay Myers (Luzi) said:
@Orion said:
@Jack11803 said:
@Gay Myers (Luzi) said:
@Jack11803 said:
@Gay Myers (Luzi) said:
@Tzeentchling9 said:
Don't run DS.
Use the fact that Rancor tells you exactly where the Killer is.
Don't stick around when the gates are open.EZ
Edit: Also Sole Survivor does literally nothing since Rancor isn't aura reading.
I get rancor a lot and I don't run any obsession perks as survivor. It also favors me over the others with DS or whatsoever.
I usually just sneak as much as I can and stay out of the killers terror radius or try my best to pay attention to their location.
... I thought a survivor with an obsession perk will always get picked over someone who doesn’t have one? That’s what it used to be at least
Apparently not always. A obsession perk only increases the chance to be the obsession, but it is not a definitive.
Huh. Must increase it by a ton then. I know if a survivor has an obsession perk but killer doesn’t it’s girenteed. So it must be the killer perk that throws it off. Kinda dumb, given rancor is good for countering DS.
I'm fairly certain that's a bug.
Not really. Otherwise the perk description of survivor perks would actively mention that you are the obsession for sure. It only increases to be the obsession. If the killer has a obsession perk, a survivor with no obsession perks has the possibility to be the obsession.
That's why it says it increases the chance to be the killer's obsession, but it's not guaranteed. The word Increases is the main factor. It is not a 100% chance if other survivors have a obsession perk or if the killer is running one.
My understanding is that if one or more Survivors have Obsession perks, then they and only they will be the Obsession, no matter what perks the Killer has. We should ask the devs about this.
This is the sentence of every survivor perks: "Increases your chance to be the Killer's Obsession."
It says specifically increases and the way it's worded is very clear. It does not say you are for sure the obsession. So if the killer has a obsession perk and the rng decides to not pick the survivor with a obsession perk, it might take someone with no obsession perk.
Calm Spirit also doesn't say birds will fly away if you step on them (although it's obvious, IMO). Perks don't always reflect the full nature of a mechanic. IIRC, the devs intended for it to work in the way I mentioned.
I can try asking, but I remember they mentioned it was not a 100% chance if the killer has a obsession perk and it happened before 2.0. to me and friends already. Also to NQ on live stream, where she was DL even tho other survivors had DS.
It might even be as simple as drawing a name out of a hat. If the killer has an obsession perk and no survivor has one, everyone gets one ticket in the hat. Each obsession perk adds one more ticket with your name on it, so if you're trying for Adept Laurie you have four tickets while everyone else only has one.
I bet the only reason were even noticing it more now is we can see who the obsession is. Before, we just assumed when DL popped up that the obsession was the one who died.0 -
One way to counter it is let the killer hook you then die on the hook. Can't get mori'd at the end game if you don't make it to the end game.
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Try stealth and the double G tactic... you'll win everytime0
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I have an update @Orion and @Jack11803
I was able to get a response from the devs. It apparently is a bug, there is a anomality that's causing the calcuation to give every survivor a ticket when the killer has a obsession perk, whilst survs with obsession perks have a higher chance, the survs without obsession perks might still be the obsession with a lower chance.
I did notify them that it has been happening since Myers release.
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@Gay Myers (Luzi) said:
I have an update @Orion and @Jack11803I was able to get a response from the devs. It apparently is a bug, there is a anomality that's causing the calcuation to give every survivor a ticket when the killer has a obsession perk, whilst survs with obsession perks have a higher chance, the survs without obsession perks might still be the obsession with a lower chance.
I did notify them that it has been happening since Myers release.
Thanks, Luzi. You're awesome.
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Q: What counters Rancor?
A: Get sacrificed before final generator is done.
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Just hide until the gates are opened then wait for killer to pass. THEN LEAVE.0
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The counter to Rancor is built into the perk already. Look at the killer's aura and utilize stealth.0
