Celebrating too soon?
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their point in this was to be tongue in cheek sarcasm by taking the fact that the devs have said they see the average game being 2 people escape but what that doesn't say is how many matches which is probably 10's of thousands that was used to find the average. they were not being anything close to nice or to even show that it's not always a 4k, though that last is shown inadvertently.
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my experience is 1-2 people SOH intentionally/DC in my matches ON AVERAGE and that's being generous. minority? that means less than the majority of players period end of statement. what do i mean by the VOCAL minority? that means that a small sub group of the players are VERY vocal about something they like or don't like and they are seen to be the majority of (or over 1/2 of) the players that play the game exactly as I said. sometimes when you look for deeper meanings to something you loose the normal everyday context of what others say. isn't the axim "If you go looking for a conspiracy, you end up making your own conspiracy" or something like that?
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its also a fact that constructive criticism can be valid even if not expressed by every single person that plays the game. And with Iri Heads the feedback seems to be negative for many different people, be it on different platforms or people I talk to outside of the forums, independent of skill, main or anything.
only because you think it’s okay the way it is doesn’t mean the devs think the same as well. They are not pressured by a vocal minority to change it, otherwise they would also have to change OoO instead of saying they don’t touch it because statistics say it’s okay. In fact a dev already said the addon should have been changed a while ago, and we don’t know why it’s not been done.
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where did I say I was opposed to it being changed? on the contrary I am fine with it being changed, but I believe people are saying it's going away because they heard that huntress is about to get an add-on pass review, thinking that they will be 100% be changed no matter what as what happened in the freddy, nurse, billy and bubba rework. I never said the devs were pressured by the vocal minority, but I will say THEY ARE pressured because of several changes in the recent past that were done... and some where they looked at what had been done and reverted it. sheesh just stop trying to find fault with what I said, accept that they MIGHT NOT remove iri head from the game what so ever! I'll be laughing my arse off if that happens and laughing at everyone in this thread that is expecting to see them gone and they aren't.
And the devs have shown their bias to survivors vs killers in their recent changes where very little affects the survivors unless it's to buff them, however I also acknowledge that they had been killer biased previous to this period of survivor bias, so that object isn't changed or removed is not a surprise. changing moris while holding on to or not doing key changes..... i mean when mori's originally received the requirement to have hooked the survivor once, they placated the killers about that by saying key changes are coming soon and that was over 2.25 years ago if not longer and keys never got changed then, now I don't expect keys to be changed. so again this is showing a bias towards survivors along with other things thus no change to object at all.
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I wasn't actually asking what it means, I was wondering how you can call it a minority. What you say still doesn't counter what I said about chat response. If we talk about vocal or not, I can still say that I can't remember the last gg in chat, like 10% stays silent and 90% flame like no tomorrow when this combo is used (let it be 20-80). So even if the silent ones all don't mind the addon, it is still the majority of people having a problem with it.
This is just a reflection of what I notice in almost every iri head game. And it gets confirmed by the forum day after day. Right now I see 2 people here that defend iri head in two different threads, the rest is against it. I'm not looking for conspiracies, the feedback is just hard to ignore
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are you saying that over 40K people are saying this? where is your verified data that this is the case? i am assigning the number of 60K that i know is a conservative estimate for the number of steam players and 20K for all other platforms which is also very conservative. so that's 80K players so you have seen verified data that more than 40,000 players have stated this? please show your proof, till then i will assume that you have talked to less than that and that means you have talked to a minority of the players. show your data, show your numbers or you are not able to claim you talked to a majority. Oh also it can't be just made up numbers you have to have the ability to say you have spoken to a minimum of 1 player more than the actual 1/2 amount between all players of all platforms.
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Ok this is ridiculous. You will never be able to ask everyone, that is why you pick a representative sample for an extrapolation. That should be common sense. I was thinking you mean with "vocal minority" that actually people are more likely to speak out lout when they want to complain, compared to people that are fine with the addons. That's why I argued with game chat feedback.
To the statistics thing, I saw NO sample at all, where the positive or "idc" feedback is stronger than the negative response, or even gets close to it. And having several platforms with major negative feedback is at least a bigger hint for "that addon is a problem". And I think feedback on forum, streams/stream chat and ingame chat is actually a sample that is indeed big enough to allow a representative extrapolation.
Btw, are you saying that this addon is not a problem for the majority of players? Just curious.
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you can not say that talking to 100-500 people shows the will of 40+ thousand or more. please understand that the sample size must also be representative of the over all group. you have yet to convince me there are more than 500 people wanting this. I have not said anything about the add-on where it is concerned by a majority of players. I do not have that data, I spoke of my personal feelings about the add-on, you are the one trying to say they know the will of the majority of players.
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If you're Rank 20 you're probably not facing iri head unless you're swf with people of higher ranks.
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I do want to say though that they announced changes to keys prior to the Huntress add-on pass. I don't mean within that one Q&A, it was mentioned a Q&A prior to that (In October I think is when they originally mentioned keys, maybe a little earlier)
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Last time I faced an iri head Huntress was in like June. I don't face them often.
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I'm fine with the hatch mechanic, like you said the keys are why killers hate it.
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I both play Huntress (rarely with the add-on combo but it happens) and have gone against it. I've only seen 1 person dc, most of the survivors I go up against are stubborn and want to beat me seeing my add-ons, and although I do end up with 4ks with the add-ons, it's not every game. It's usually a 2-3k, but that's how I usually perform as Huntress.
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That screenshot just shows that she probably crashed at the start since 5k points is basically escape points, so it's not like you guys were giving her a good chase or something
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She dced after missing 2 hatchets. I know this because she said, in endgame chat, "######### bullshit game, those hatchets should've hit". Literally, she missed 2 shots on me and DCed.
You have also managed to miss the entire point of my comment. Congratulations.
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From what I saw from your comment, you shared a screenshot to say screenshots don't prove anything, since results can vary from person to person. Fair.
And I commented on the scoreboard of your screenshot, and gave a valid reason on how that screenshot is not the norm.
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First site I found:
It says: "minimum sample size is 100" and "A good maximum sample size is usually around 10% of the population, as long as this does not exceed 1000. For example, in a population of 5000, 10% would be 500. In a population of 200,000, 10% would be 20,000. This exceeds 1000, so in this case the maximum would be 1000"
Next is a site with several examples on how to chose sample size and very detailed maths for specific cases. One snippet is below, that calculates for a given example.
Example 7: You expect that customers will choose coffee, tea, bottled water, and Snapple in the proportions of 65%, 15%, 15%, 5%. How large a random sample must you take to test this model?
Solution: Take the least likely category and divide 5 by that percentage:
n = 5 / 5% = 5 / 0.05 = 100.
Answer: You need a random sample of at least 100 to test this model. (As always, the minimum sample will give a significant result only if the null hypothesis is extremely wrong. If the model is only moderately wrong, a larger sample will probably be needed to reveal that.)
Summary
when there are elections, what exactly to you think happens when they do the election poll to estimate where the parties are at the moment? Ask everyone? Millions?
EDIT: I'm just wondering if you say that the forum feedback is useless, as it will never reach your required minimum of 40k responses to a topic. Like the devs should actually not give a F about what is written here, as it will always be a meaningless minority. I'm really struggling to take you serious with your expectations.
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some effort on your part sure... sure a small sample can easily skew your results. you are looking at the sample size, and here you even fall down, you're looking at about 80K over all users, 5% of that is (80,000*.01=800 now *5 =4000) so your 100 people are cherry picked and not random sampled so you skew your results. what you described is RANDOM SAMPLING, and I never said the forum was not something that is useless, but you and I both do not have the information that is gathered that the devs do. your rantings here are just that rantings, i have not seen anything constructive in your responses and without that anything you propose is disregarded due to specific bias. but ah well. good work to look up the information on this, but you can't cherry pick your sample and say it is representative.
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XD cherry picking. bias. ranting
ok, you go your way, I go mine. bye
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