Suvivors, what is your kill-rate experience in Solo Q in yellow, green and purple ranks?
I feel I have to change the discussion title as I got no input from those ranks.
I am trying to figure out how the stats fit reality. I am playing mostly Solo Q in red ranks. Since some time in 2019 it's only been fun to play Killer, because as survivor one knows the outcome before the game has even started (unless ranking system didn't work).
(Nearly) Every game is a 3-4K.
I am wondering how the experience is for Solo Q players in other ranks as the latest stats are showing a little lower kill rates then from what I have experienced. So I am excited to hear the experiences of other ranks.
Ps: Don't get me wrong, it is still kind of more relaxed to play survivor and it is still no problem to get a pip. Just having more then one survivor escaping is rare, at least in my experience.
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I honestly thought I'd get a statement.
Are there no low ranks here?
Or no Solo Q players?
Or no survivors at all?
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The majority of us survive in my solo queue red rank games. Maybe 75% of the time at least. Maybe if ya'll are always dying it's related to you?
Current pipping and rank reset systems is piling up lots of people at higher ranks than they should be. IE red ranks right now for survivor is more like red-green ranks in reality.
I don't mean this to come across as insulting, it's just a current issue with the game.
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I've been having fair matches as both survivor and killer. I don't really blame or care about my teammates or look to see how they perform. I just go for the pip.
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Ranks don't exists and is the killer 4kimg or are you just dying?
Again ranks don't really exist but if they do work properly you are in the best place possible. If you can't survive in red ranks (and are actually getting red or even purple teammates) i do encourage you to derank and experience the hell that is green and yellow ranks.
As a red rank survivor its not uncommon for me to get one legit baby killer, rank 20 1 perk killer a night also not uncommon to be paired with real baby survivors. Again im pretty sure ranks just don't exist
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These past two weeks red ranks has been such a frustrating experience. Most matches for me as a solo end up in the killer getting 3-4 kills. Very rarely will I get a decent team of survivors who last in chases and do gens.
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you need to get a lucky mix of a bad killer and teammates who can hold m1 to escape often in solo q, its the only hard gamemode left in dbd.
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I explained what I meant by 4K-ing, but I can do it again: The killer gets at least 3 survivors dead. I don't count games, if the ranking system didn't work (aka having a killer that isn't red rank). I do count games with 1 (if it's a yellow) or two (green to purple) lower rank team mates.
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That meets my experiences. Thanks for sharing your experience :)
I wonder how the experience is in lower ranks and why there is no one telling.
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What rank are you playing?
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Don't know what you're on about..your experience is definitely more 1 sided versus mine. Yes we lose, and get 4K'd in solo ranks a good amount, but we also win. For me, its 50/50 on most nights. The matchmaking is horrible as well currently, you'll come across rank 12 killers with all red rank teammates and steamroll.
I'm solely a solo player, I think SWF is a crutch and for bad players who need friends and discord to boost their rank. But then again, if thats more fun for ya, do it.
But yea, can def say I don't agree with you since my experience is different.
edit; nvm you changed title to disregard red ranks. Movin on
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Which rank are you playing in? How comes you aren't interested in your teammates at all? As far as I am informed it is supposed to be a 4 vs. 1, as in a team of 4 playing as a team (aka supporting each each other, doing their best to make sure as many of them have a chance to survive)
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The mayority of you all? Then call yourself lucky, seems you get all the decent survivor players, that fit their rank and behave like their rank and actually try to be a team with the other 3 strangers, most of the time. As you know that isn't the case for everyone- you just stated it yourself: There are a lot of people that are getting to red ranks that struggle against those experienced Killer players (going down after 10 seconds, just searching chests, totems and going for saves/ never touching a gen, killing themselves on first hook or dcing as soon as they got found).
Even you should know, that your survival of 75% of your games in solo Q, has to be an exception, as it would change the numbers in the stats dramatically. Consider yourself lucky :)
Anyway, thanks for your experience although I am honestly more interested in hearing about other ranks experiences.
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I was rank 1 last season and I didn't play much this season so at 5 right now. Honestly pipping is not always about how other people perform. It is true in cases where you don't get saved or tunneled but otherwise it shouldn't matter that much.
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No, I get lots of bad teammates. The reason it works is because I get the killers attention and loop for the team. You know how to carry in other words.
"Even you should know, that your survival of 75% of your games in solo Q, has to be an exception, as it would change the numbers in the stats dramatically. Consider yourself lucky :)"
You're missing my point. My point is not that this is the average. My point is that if I'm doing it than so can y'all, and if you're not able to on average that you may also be the weak link.
My point is also that by your original post you seem to be pushing the match results as out of your control and solely because you get bad teammates. IE you give yourself very little agency.
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I am red rank survivor since I started in 2018. Even now that I am barely playing survivor. I have zero problem getting my pips ;)
I just noticed the change.
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100% solo Q survivor here. Well 99.99%, every now and then I have a friend who asks to play with me. Very, very rare (only two of them and they stopped playing this game a long time ago).
Unfortunately I haven't been in yellow and green for years since they changed how reset works.
I a purple every now and then here but I'm mostly in the reds.
But in general my survival rate is the same across all ranks. Not much difference to be honest. How much I was getting killed back when I was a newb in the gray and yellow ranks hasn't changed much now that I'm in red.
Sometimes my team and I steam roll a killer at red. That happened too in purple, green, yellow and even gray. More often the killer kills most of us and only 1 or 2 escape, or all of us get killed.
The only difference beteween my experience at red ranks and yellow/gray, is that now sometimes I can carry the match by running the killer around for a minute. I could never do that back when I was in gray ranks.
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When I'm returned to DBD my first match as rank 20 killer was against red rank survivors. Luckily they're all died because they were altruistic so much.
Right now playing purple rank survivors with brown-green teammates and killer. MMR is pretty busted.
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but we don't care about PIPS we want to escape 100% of the time :(
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No, not everyone can do it.
You are a gifted player and good at the game. Not everyone is at your skill level. This isn't hard to understand, but it may be too hard for geniuses to get. Geniuses are so far removed from the realm of mortal man that their standards are completely skewed.
75% survival solo q rate is ridiculously good and maybe only 1% of the playerbase can achieve that.
There's a reason why the kill rate is what it is. Most players aren't as good as you are.
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I get what you're saying but you're missing my point.
My point was that his terminology was implying that there's a problem with solo queue balance, rather than an issue with teammates or his own skill level.
IE the implied reason for the results is my issue.
I also think that the way you phrase this is that it takes some really high skill level to carry on survivor in these solo queue games and I don't think the requirement is that high. The bar is actually way too low currently imo.
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Obviously not. If your team mates are actually getting gens done, while you distract the killer you should consider yourself lucky as well.
The team mates I get don't always do gens while I am chased. Not infrequently I am the first getting chased untill the killer leaves me and the first getting a gen done as well. Sometimes I am even the only one going for the save after I got said gen done.
I'd love getting more of the team mates that you say you get frequently, but I don't. I get some of those that dc after getting downed first time, some that kill themselves on their first hook after lasting a 30 sec chase. I get some that just farm someone else of the hook withouth bt and go down instantly as well, resulting in 2 people hook and 1 gen done. I get some that just fool around to have fun, not caring to escape but to bully the killer. etc.
But on top of those games (that I am counting as well if those players were red ranks, even if they weren't playing like red ranks), I get a lot of games that are played fair and good but end with a 3-4K as well. Good Killers get the 3-4 K's frequently, even if the Solo Q team is decent.
I said it already: You can consider yourself a lucky person when it comes to this game :) Be happy
How I just read here, maybe you are especially skilled. Maybe you are one of those that are even nowadays able to run the killer for 5 gens and the doors open easily, without leaving the map a dead zone without any good palett left. But an only decent player cannot do that.
U are here speaking for the upper 1% (probably PC Player as well) that do everything right, every time so even their less-skilled, scared, average or immersive team mates get all the gens and the gates. And you must be really special if a red rank killer actually commits to such a chase.
Tbh I can't help the impression that you might be a dazzler or troll. The red rank killers that I faced, never commited to a chase for so long if they couldn't even get a hit. They always walk off to find someone in a dead zone or someone that is easier to get.
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Do you stream or record your matches with all this happening? I'd like to see this.
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In my solo Q games experience, a lot of the kill rate come from survivors making mistakes or throwing the game. And then it just snowball out of control. All it takes is 1 hook suicide or 1 terribly executed rescue to give the killer massive pressure for free.
I'm by no mean a great survivor and I do make mistakes too. But some of the teammates I've had truly have no clue what they are doing or don't care about the consequences and are too eager to blame the killer for camping or tunneling when they are the ones to blame for serving them a perfect opportunity on a platter.
There are some really good killers out there that don't need big mistakes from the survivors to kill everybody, but I'm less afraid of running into them than I am of running into clueless or selfish teammates.
The game should really be better at highlighting the survivors mistakes during the game and at the end screen too. Killer's too, probably. But a killer's mistakes are his own problem. Survivors mistakes kill their teammates.
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The reality of the game disagrees with you.
If the bar to carry were as low as you say, most survivors should be able to loop the killer consistently for minutes. The fact that that doesn't happen means that the bar is actually pretty high.
You can't argue with the actual state of the game and the facts and actual kill rates of the game. I know a lot of players like to invalidate BHVR's statistics and call them worthless, but the state of the game is how it is because it is.
Like I said, you're so good at the game that you can't even understand that the game is actually hard for a lot of people. Majority of survivors escaping 75% of the time like in your case is far from normal.
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"ike I said, you're so good at the game that you can't even understand that the game is actually hard for a lot of people."
I never once said it wasn't or even implied such. That is what you inferred on your own.
"I know a lot of players like to invalidate BHVR's statistics and call them worthless, but the state of the game is how it is because it is."
The stats are near worthless for a multitude of reasons if you seriously want to get into that here. Kills =/= a real representation of the games balance. You referencing the state of the game with the kill stats seems to imply it's skewed against survivors, that is not the case.
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Not making mistakes isn't easy.
Most people will make mistakes.
That applies to both survivors at killers, even at red ranks. A lot of Killers here like to pretend that killer can't be won unless survivors make mistakes. They seem to think that they don't make mistakes and the game is unfair and survivor-sided and the only reason they can ever win is because survivors are making mistakes. This is a laughable argument to be honest.
The reality is killers tend to make more mistakes than survivors per game on average. Why? Because killers play 4x as much compared to a survivor. That should be obvious because there are 4 survivors and only one killer. The killer interacts with all four survivors and has much more opportunity to make mistakes. While a survivor will be holding down M1 at a gen at some point of the game doing nothing but that, the killer is always on the chase or hunting down a survivor. Killers do a lot more in this game, but that also means killers have a lot more room to make mistakes.
Fact of the matter is a lot of the time I escape because the killer made mistakes. And these mistakes aren't always obvious from the point of view of the killer. If the killer patrolled a gen and didn't find anyone and left, that was a mistake on his part because actually I was crouching behind a corner avoiding him and waiting for him to leave. That is a mistake made by the killer, and it's one that let me finish a gen to win the game. But the killer was 100% unaware that he even made a mistake.
If you aren't making mistakes in your play you'd be a grandmaster at the game.
There are nurses out there who make very few mistakes. Most survivors can't win against these players they are just so good at tracking and chases, and there is no defense.
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gonna try to queue up as drunken king david of giant ears
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takes way to long for my patience
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The kill rate for my survivor games is pretty high. Usually, there's at least one or two survivors on the team who are absolutely awful.
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I do not stream, I might have some recorded but usually I save games that have something epic or nice in them, not those typical boring games that show mistakes or selfish plays that kill the whole team in the long run. And I definitely haven't got the time to rewatch every match to find those examples.
btw I wasn't implying anything. From my experience the stats should be higher. But as I have no information about the numbers of swf games vs. SoloQ in the different ranks that might be the cause. But it could be that I just have very bad luck as well. Who knows. I am just interested in hearing what others have experienced lately in order to check and compare.
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What rank are you playing?
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Rank 2.
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I think you are missing my point here. I'm not saying killers don't make mistakes. They do. No more or less than survivors. But survivors mistakes can kill their teammates.
And I'm not talking about advanced play where you could have squeezed an extra loop or a few meters if only you turned left instead of right or made that clucth read on the killer. I'm talking very basic mistakes that show a lack of game awareness. Unhooking in the face of the killer without BT or any plan is a stupid thing to do and is going to get someone killed, unless the killer also follow up with a big mistake of his own. Hiding from a killer who is nowhere near or self caring while someone is looping the killer on the other side of the map instead of finishing an important generator. All of theses are very basic things that I see constantly in solo queue and from all sort of ranks. And all of theses in addition to hook suicides (and possibly Disconnects) impact the kill rate as a global statistic.
There is now way for the kill rate statistic alone to distinguish a 4k from a good killer who had to sweat and read the survivors correctly from a mediocre killer's 4k who just happened to have the survivors make a huge missplay (or several small ones) and snowballed from there. Also kill rate is not number of hooks or emblem scores. A 4k with 4 hook is significantly different from a 4k with 10+ hooks in terms of how the game went.
All I'm trying to say is that I don't doubt that the kill rates stats we are shown from time to time reflect the reality. I'm just pointing out that kill rate alone is not a very usefull indicator of how the games actually play.
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So I'm playing Killers like Clown, Legion, Pig because theyre the most fun for me and I can only speak for purple and red.
In 8/10 matches I can make 4k. 2/10 2k.
But the reasons I'm still playing this game is literally bc of livestreams. In general I disagree the policy of the devs to match bad people with good people instead of matching good people with other good people. If you think the MMR won't do exactly that you're wrong. They could do certain things but they wont.
They will never fix solo q because it could be smart to match good survivors and fix solo and then fixing killer tools and abilities to compensate the issues. Instead of, we just match 1hr gamer with 9k hours gamer with a 4k hrs killer and play around core issues.
Quit the game as long as you have fun dude. Once you realize certain things you start to hate this game on an other perspective.
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Solo Q survivor here, red ranks.
A lot of my team mates were carried to red ranks in a SWF and it shows. They make mistakes that you should be making at tops green ranks.
I'd say it's a 50/50 escape/death rate. It depends a lot of times more on your team than on the killer, that's why it can get as frustrating as it does.
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Red rank soloq here. Definitely a 3-4K most game. Most survivors don’t make it out alive. Some survivors can’t loop or play too much stealth. The more selfish teammates tend to be higher rank, seems like they only play for the pip and are not trying to escape.
Sometimes I make mistakes and am the weak link and sometimes I’m the one who loops the killer for multiple gens. It usually doesn’t matter, in 75% of the games 3-4 people die. 1 in 4 games 3 or more escape.
As a side note, almost every killer has been camping these few days. When they do that it’s mostly a 4K in soloq, and you can rest assured you’ll just be sitting on a gen for most of the game and then die on your first hook.
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Perhaps not you in particular are saying that, but a lot of killer mains here certainly do.
And you are absolutely correct that survivor mistakes are a lot more costly. A single survivor mistake can and often will cost you the game, or leave you on hook for the rest of the game. Killers have a lot more leeway making mistakes and it's not lethal to the killer, nor does it prevent the killer from playing. A survivor that makes a costly mistake can have his game end right then and there with just a single miss.
You are also absolutely correct that a lot of survivors make really silly mistakes like hiding in corners well away from the killer and self-caring when they should be unhooking or otherwise doing something clutch.
The statistics don't tell the whole story, but they're a very, very good indicator of the overall trend, and in the end it doesn't matter. Doesn't matter if you played really good then died. You still died. There is no margin for error in life and death. You have to look at the bottomeline, becasue that's what matters.
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Anyone who plays long enough will get to Red Rank (Survivor) easily. Survivor rank means little in terms of Skill. 🤷♀️
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It's pretty common that one survivor at least DC's or plain dies on his first hook when i'm solo queueing. Specially against Freddy players, or good Spirits, Legion's with Thanatophobia and Sloppy Butcher, or Hag's who trap under hook.
Most of these either get 4k or 3k with one lucky guy who found/brought a key.
As a killer i have some games where survivors hardly do any generators and i get to snowball with no great effort.
Then i get games like this from time to time:
I was only a green rank and i got a full SWF Red Rank team with Flashlights and a bunch of perks i still don't know how to play against, cause i need to learn how to play killer better.
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