A killer downs and kills you with NOED, did you get outplayed?
Comments
-
Yes
Yes.
That's it. Just yes.
NOED does not reveal where you are on the map. It does not slam doors shut. It doesn't do anything except let you treat a Healthy Survivor as an Injured one.
So yes. You got outplayed. Not only did you get outplayed, but here are a list of things you can't use as an excuse:
• Blood Trails
• Injured Sounds
• Trying to get the last few percent of a gen done
• Slugging
• Camping
These sorts of threads are the same old, same old attempt to say "NOED REWARDS KILLERS FOR KILLS THEY DID NOT EARN" myth that refuses to die.
5 -
It depends
actually it gives a speed boost too
2 -
Yes
4% at purple tier. Less than Bloodlust. Look at Scott Jund's video showing you how little difference that makes in meters covered over a 32 second period on the longest stretch of open map in the game.
It's less than two seconds of game time. Hardly enough of a difference to make or break a perk.
1 -
It depends
scott junds video ignores a very fundamental part of speeds and that's speed difference.
A 4.6 killer with noed runs at 4.78 m/s
A survivor runs at 4 m/s
115% killer catches up at .6 m/s where as a 115% with NOED catches up with .78 m/s. So with a 4% increase a move speed the rate you gain on a survivor is increased by 30%.
Say for example there is a 10 meter gap between the killer and survivor runs in a straight line. It takes the regular killer almost 17 seconds to catch up where as it takes a killer with NOED only 13 to catch up.
1 -
Yes
A Survivor running in a straight line on a hard W having his catch time reduced from 17 to 13 seconds is fundamentally dead regardless in an endgame collapse unless for some reason they are both on a straight away, that happens to be leading to an exit gate, that happens to be open, that is in a scenario where Killer powers do not matter.
That's.... oddly specific.
0 -
It depends
In a straight line was for simplicity of math, because in a non straight line you will have minor inefficiencies sometimes on the killers part, sometimes on the survivors part. In non straight pathing its equally helpful though because you still have a significantly increased gain rate. On loops for example, 30% increased gain rate can often be difference between another go around the pallet or them getting hit
0 -
Yes
Why would that matter? Who is looping during the end game collapse? And for the love of God, WHY?
if you have the hatch shut, your goal is on the gates. You don't need to loop. If they wanna try and hide you can just let the Entity devour them. That 4% is just helping you patrol the two exit gates.
0 -
It depends
The answer I really wanted was "sort of." NOED usually isn't a strategy so much as it's an aspiration. You throw it on and hope your totems don't get broken and, if they don't, you get to use it. In some cases, I guess the killer could deliberately protect their totems, which would be outplaying the survivors. Or the killer might deliberately set up a four-man Blood Warden situation.
In cases where it's just lucky that no one broke the totems, it's sort of outplaying, because it was a gamble, but the gamble paid off.
1 -
It depends
Well it really depends on games.
In some game the killer put so much pressure on you, you cannot waste time cleansing totems = outplayed
In others, a really good survivor is giving him a good chase allowing you to take your time with gens but you don't do totems = outplayed
In really rare occasion, you as a solo survivor did most gens and cleansed 4 totems on an indoor map = not outplayed.
2 -
Yes
I didn't see the "It depends" option until I voted whoops.
It really does depend.
0 -
It depends
Depends on the situation imo.
If the killer uses NOED to their advantage & punishes cocky survivors at the endgame who think they've already won, I'd say they got outplayed.
If the killer is camping somebody & slugs the potential saviors with NOED, while it can still be considered an outplay, I personally wouldn't see it as one.
This is because I see the first option as a backup plan & I see the second option as a second-chance. But that's just me.
0 -
It depends
Person above me basically said it.
but also
NOED outplays you until the killer is outplaying themselves by using it as a crutch. Killers should have second chance perks as well (perhaps more so), but NOED should not be that perk.
0 -
It depends
If the killer knows the last gen is gonna pop real soon and is letting you bait them around a bit and you fall for the killer playing dumb hook line and sinker then yeah you got outplayed..However, If a Nurse just teleports right next to you not knowing you where there and hits you then they got luck.
0 -
It depends
Do we have any more to the scenario? Were they using NOED as facecamp insurance or to mop up the last few hooks in a 12-hook trial?
0 -
Moreso that last few times you got hit with Noed, did you get outplayed? Any kind of common or uncommon scenario is fine aswell.
0 -
Yes
Yes. Its survivor teams fault they didn't account for it.
I kinda view noed as a weaker key for killers since both take effect later into the game but you can stop both despite it being difficult. Its a valid strategy just as much as using keys to leave early. Both keys and noed can be avoided if you are tactful enough (although keys are easier to use since it doesnt occupy a perk slot and you can find them)
1
