Get a better distribution of perks!
I'm at level 50 with pig and clown,. I level up so much and it takes forever to get enough bloodpoints to get through some of the high level pages. I still don't have Ruin on any of them and I struggle to find it. I think with the insane amount of perks we have and the fact that we have to get important perks to level 3 we must find a new way to gain impactful perks early.
Try to play pig or clown with ruin, it's so hard at higher ranks. They just rush through the gens while you put your first trap on someone. Help us devs!
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Prestiging a character should unlock more perk choices in higher level bloodwebs. Something to make it worthwhile.0
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I thought about doing that but it's so sad to lose everything : < also I don't feel like that should be a reliable way.
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High ranks isn't supposed to be easy as it's filled with veterans and players that know how to play at peak performance. A new idea to get perks sounds interesting though.
What if every time you level up that character would get "perk points" that you can spend on specific perks? The amount of points you get per level increases each level, and at level 50 you should be getting enough points for about two perks. Rarity, perk rank, and if it was a teachable or not could change the price to make it more interesting. It could be neat, but it would also cause the problem of killers running NOED all the time in low ranks since they'll have easier access to it.
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Maybe make it so prestiging gives you more Perk benefits in the Bloodweb.
- The Bloodweb replaces [VALUE] additional node with a Perk.
- The Entity now allows you to buy +[VALUE] Perk from the Bloodweb.
[VALUE] is equal to your Prestige level.
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That sounds like a great ideas! I thought about a ultra rare token perk which let's you choose a level 1 perk.
I think there should be a faster way to get impactful perks early other than using "Prestige". Think of the new players who need months to get good perks on their favorite killers or survivors. Something in between would be great. Maybe you earn the perk token by using prestige on one of your characters so it shows up the next time you level up a character.There are so many ways and ideas and I remember the devs talked about this issue but they don't intend to change it anytime soon but I feel like it is quite a problematic case at the moment and should be adressed rather quickly. They probably have other things on their mind though
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i am almost on p3 with a killer and have yet to see bbq one time on any level set , and before you ask yes I have it unlocked . But I keep seeing sb and and bloodhound almost every level . Im starting to think its either total luck or you have to pick up every perk in order for it to rotate otherwise it seems to rotate the same ones back in you pass more frequently . acctualy he hasn't seen noed either come to think about it , those are the two perks I don't always use in a build but like to have for the killers .
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Wow that's weird! But that is what I mean...it's no secret that there are a lot of perks that are better than others e.g. Leader vs prove thyselves and even though I enjoy leveling up my survivors and killers it's a little rough if you spend literally millions of bloodpoints just to get some particular perks (not only that you need the perk, you must rank it to level 3 as well). I think it's completely random and that is the problem ^^''
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@Marvel and @Grimbergoth As a new player, I keep being told to level this character or that character and unlock teachables. Then I see these threads here and at Reddit, and I sit back and go: Well, maybe going back to Overwatch isn't so bad, after all.
Seriously, if I want an Asian RNG grind, there are MMOs for that. Hint: I don't. It's why I stopped playing MMOs, finally. The more I see the threads and then go off and research that aspect of the game elsewhere, the less hyped I feel to play it.
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Each prestige level should add an additional perk on the blood web past 25.
At 25 it's usually 2 perks.
P1 + 25 = 3 Perks With the chance of getting one
P2 + 25 = 4 Perks With the chance of getting two
P3 + 25 = 5 Perks With the chance of getting three
This also decreases the grind slightly as you can get more perks + the entity will take up one additional item off the web when it takes the perks off.Prestige needs more benefits currently as people usually just run their bought clothing now.
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There's a idea kicking around that they should just do away with the levels on a perk. So if you see a perk for the first time, it will have it's level 3 values and that's the only time you have to pick it up in the web.
I so want that to be a thing so bad.....
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@Kilmeran said:
@Marvel and @Grimbergoth As a new player, I keep being told to level this character or that character and unlock teachables. Then I see these threads here and at Reddit, and I sit back and go: Well, maybe going back to Overwatch isn't so bad, after all.Seriously, if I want an Asian RNG grind, there are MMOs for that. Hint: I don't. It's why I stopped playing MMOs, finally. The more I see the threads and then go off and research that aspect of the game elsewhere, the less hyped I feel to play it.
It's totally fine if you start and you play mostly 2-4 characters, you get enough BP to get the important perks but as soon as you have all killers/survivors with unlocked perks things change and it takes a lot longer to get certain perks on killer or survivor X if you haven't played him/her that often.
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I don't think they will change the perk grind because it keeps players playing the game but there should be a solution for characters that rely on certain perks to obtain them in some way. For example if you play The Pig on rank 1 without Ruin (or any killer really) good luck doing that. It can work but it's so much harder to win.
The same goes for survivors without Self-Care, of course it's doable but with the current state of selfhealing and having others around you to heal Self-Care stays extremely relevant BUT you need it in your bloodweb first.Most perks are completely fine at rank 1 like self-care or sprint burst (sure they are better at 3 but decent enough at 1). But then there are other perks that need rank 3 like ruin or empathy and that's an issue :<
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why should you get a free handout0
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@Marvel said:
@Kilmeran said:
@Marvel and @Grimbergoth As a new player, I keep being told to level this character or that character and unlock teachables. Then I see these threads here and at Reddit, and I sit back and go: Well, maybe going back to Overwatch isn't so bad, after all.Seriously, if I want an Asian RNG grind, there are MMOs for that. Hint: I don't. It's why I stopped playing MMOs, finally. The more I see the threads and then go off and research that aspect of the game elsewhere, the less hyped I feel to play it.
It's totally fine if you start and you play mostly 2-4 characters, you get enough BP to get the important perks but as soon as you have all killers/survivors with unlocked perks things change and it takes a lot longer to get certain perks on killer or survivor X if you haven't played him/her that often.
Gotcha. Thanks.
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@Marvel said:
@Kilmeran said:
@Marvel and @Grimbergoth As a new player, I keep being told to level this character or that character and unlock teachables. Then I see these threads here and at Reddit, and I sit back and go: Well, maybe going back to Overwatch isn't so bad, after all.Seriously, if I want an Asian RNG grind, there are MMOs for that. Hint: I don't. It's why I stopped playing MMOs, finally. The more I see the threads and then go off and research that aspect of the game elsewhere, the less hyped I feel to play it.
It's totally fine if you start and you play mostly 2-4 characters, you get enough BP to get the important perks but as soon as you have all killers/survivors with unlocked perks things change and it takes a lot longer to get certain perks on killer or survivor X if you haven't played him/her that often.
it a fair bit of luck , take the spirit I have , she has both noed and bbq at level 3 and shes just 40 . But like marvel said its once you have a lot of the perks for each survivor or killer that the perk pool get huge . if you say start with 20 perks total and then add 3 per killer you unlock to 40 and we have what 10 killers now that is another 30 perks you dump in there . It would be nice if there was a way to block or sort through them easier then just leveling up because once you p3 a character the web is massive and takes a ton of bp to cycle each level .
at the same time if they didn't add a rng or allowed you to block certain ones then what you would have is everyone blocking all but the perk they want to get it the fastest and so on basically hand picking perks . I try to see thing from both sides if I can so I understand the rng reasoning . but maybe tweak it so if you pass a perk two or three times it doesn't keep showing up , that or if you pick one that it has better odds or reappearing in the web the higher you get .Its just a wishlis is all .
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@Grimbergoth I gotcha. Now, if only the ######### Rank 20 Killer queue would fill with some Survivors, that would be nice (PC). Kind'a hard to play and rank-up when you can't get a damned match. And this was during prime-time, even. Two nights now, I wait about 15 minutes and then just say to hell with it. Survivor is fairly quick to pop, but I prefer Killer.
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@Grimbergoth said:
@Marvel said:
@Kilmeran said:
@Marvel and @Grimbergoth As a new player, I keep being told to level this character or that character and unlock teachables. Then I see these threads here and at Reddit, and I sit back and go: Well, maybe going back to Overwatch isn't so bad, after all.Seriously, if I want an Asian RNG grind, there are MMOs for that. Hint: I don't. It's why I stopped playing MMOs, finally. The more I see the threads and then go off and research that aspect of the game elsewhere, the less hyped I feel to play it.
It's totally fine if you start and you play mostly 2-4 characters, you get enough BP to get the important perks but as soon as you have all killers/survivors with unlocked perks things change and it takes a lot longer to get certain perks on killer or survivor X if you haven't played him/her that often.
it a fair bit of luck , take the spirit I have , she has both noed and bbq at level 3 and shes just 40 . But like marvel said its once you have a lot of the perks for each survivor or killer that the perk pool get huge . if you say start with 20 perks total and then add 3 per killer you unlock to 40 and we have what 10 killers now that is another 30 perks you dump in there . It would be nice if there was a way to block or sort through them easier then just leveling up because once you p3 a character the web is massive and takes a ton of bp to cycle each level .
at the same time if they didn't add a rng or allowed you to block certain ones then what you would have is everyone blocking all but the perk they want to get it the fastest and so on basically hand picking perks . I try to see thing from both sides if I can so I understand the rng reasoning . but maybe tweak it so if you pass a perk two or three times it doesn't keep showing up , that or if you pick one that it has better odds or reappearing in the web the higher you get .Its just a wishlis is all .
yea you are right, I just didn't want to chase new players away xD
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same here but when I was around rank 18 (which is tooooo long ago) I got queues fairly quickly. I'm a little suprised you don't get queues :S
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@Marvel said: same here but when I was around rank 18 (which is tooooo long ago) I got queues fairly quickly. I'm a little suprised you don't get queues :S
Me too. Not giving up yet, but if one thing will drive me away, it's that.
Something else I also saw watching Streams: There was a Rank 10 kiiller streaming. I liked him. He was entertaining. Edgar-something. At the end of the match, I see that he's facing Survivors that are Rank 1, 7, 13, and 19. I'm like: what the ######### is that? SWF should not screw the match-making that royally. Who programmed this? A fresh graduate from college?
Yeah, I really want to play against that crap as I rank up to the mid ranks.
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The matchmaking seems fine to me. This game allows friends to play together no matter what rank they are and match you vs a somewhat skilld killer. I never had an issue with that tbh ^^
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@Kilmeran said:
@Grimbergoth I gotcha. Now, if only the [BAD WORD] Rank 20 Killer queue would fill with some Survivors, that would be nice (PC). Kind'a hard to play and rank-up when you can't get a damned match. And this was during prime-time, even. Two nights now, I wait about 15 minutes and then just say to hell with it. Survivor is fairly quick to pop, but I prefer Killer.you would think prime time would be the easiest to get a que but it isn't . Pc right now is killer heavy cause of the spirit release as well as the dbl /free weekend new players , for a week or two after those events its usually killer central . Play the off times and you will find ques are easier to get .
I think the reason is during peak time say there are 50k players queing and half are killers , in a 4v1 setting it takes a lot more (4x) survivors to keep ques moving . now in the off hours when the kids are in bed at school and so on the killer population tends to drop a lot more then survivors , so say off peak there is 20k but only 6k killers , meaning ques will pop a lot faster . \
though as I said before , in a week or two once the newness wears off the ques will balance out a bit better , especially once the new players see how much survivors overperform against them and then start playing survivors ...
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@Grimbergoth Good points. Thanks. Maybe I'll just do Survivor in the meantime if it comes to it. Bloodpoints are Bloodpoints. I can always put them into a Killer.
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@Kilmeran said:
@Grimbergoth Good points. Thanks. Maybe I'll just do Survivor in the meantime if it comes to it. Bloodpoints are Bloodpoints. I can always put them into a Killer.Also keep in mind that if you get 1 min ques with survivor and 20+ min ques with killer that the bp earned can be used anyplace . So the games you can play as a survivor during peak times would probably outweigh the bp you get in the same time as a single killer match takes . And you can still use the bp to level the killer of your choice .
It basically what I do is play survivor during peak and like at this time of night I play killer . I did get the perks I wanted basically on one survivor since they are just skins in the end and use most of my bp on the killers . Then again I didn't go for the easy crutch build on a survivor of ds/adr/sb and so on , I just use a claud with her perks and slippery or sab tossed in there . Im not a pro survivor either so don't think I am , I also avoid swf groups just because I don't like them as a killer . I try to play both sides the way I see them from the other side , so if I think swf is unbalanced as a killer what would that say about me if I used it as a survivor ...
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@FrenziedRoach said:
There's a idea kicking around that they should just do away with the levels on a perk. So if you see a perk for the first time, it will have it's level 3 values and that's the only time you have to pick it up in the web.I so want that to be a thing so bad.....
This would be very bad. There are some Perks, Devour Hope for instance, that can be extremely useful at level 1 instead of a higher level. I like the Tiered Perks personally, as they give me a nice selection of builds to use. It also forces you to not use the usual "crutch" Perks that people always whine about.
As far as stuff like BBQ and whatnot goes, I'll check out the Rarity of various Perks as I'm leveling, and if I see a Perk of the same rarity in my Web, I'll grab that first. Rank 1 of BBQ is Yellow, so if I haven't seen it yet, I'll make sure I grab any Yellow Perk first before I take another if I have a choice of them. It bumps BBQ up in the "queue" and gives it a better chance of appearing. At least that's how it's been happening for me.
I'm still working on Prestiging all of my Killers, only have Hag at P3 atm, but I don't really see that much of a grind tbh. I also don't really care a whole lot about my Perks until I've gotten a character to P3. WGLF and BBQ on either side is something I aim for of course, those BP gains are so much better, but if they don't appear, so be it. I'm sure I'll get them eventually just by working my way up and being patient.
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@Grimbergoth Yep, that's what I was realizing, too. I keep forgetting in my head (even though I know it) that bloodpoints are not bound to the character that earned them.
Now, I just gotta stop being a lazy #########. After two years in Overwatch and Heroes of the Storm, and already knowing those games, maps, and heroes inside and out, it is mentally difficult to go: Yeah, I'll jump into a game with a learning curve and be two years behind.
Makes me wish I'd bought DBD when it launched. I had intended to (I'd followed it pre-launch), but then ran into a bad financial situation right before due to a couple bad investments (we're good, now), and then it kind of fell off my radar due to life, until the recent Steam Summer Sale.
I actually didn't even buy Overwatch. I literally could not afford to spend on games in 2016 because of what happened. That was an early father's day gift out of the blue from my 23 (at the time) year-old son, since a bunch of friends and family were jumping into it at launch. To allay suspense: they all left it in 2017, and only the wife and I remained until a few weeks ago.
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its not realy that bad , the hardest places to be is the rank 20 and rank 1 areas . Only reason I say this is that you have issues at 20 getting killer games and at 1 you have issues not dealing with the swf organized hardcore groups . Its also why if yopu notice a lot of the killer streamers will depip off stream into the 10-15 ranks as they are easier to get games that are not hardcore swf .
and don't get me wrong the hardcore groups can be beaten but those matches are about mistakes , whatever side makes the biggest one causes their team to loose , and there are only a couple killers that are strong enough to effectively handle them . so unless you like playing nurse (I don't really like her) then you are kinda putting yourself in a hole to start with .
Which leads us to the only real problem I see with rank one , all survivors are exactly the same , they have the ability to get the same perks the same items , but killer are all unique , and the devs have stated they don't want all killers to be viable at rank 1 . Problem is then there is no real choices to be had for killers and with rank 1 been made so easily obtained it leaves people having to depip to play their favorite killer if its not nurse or billy . this means your either forced to learn and play killers you don't want to to stay competitive or depip to play the ones you enjoy . this is a developer mistake imo but at the same time it explains why the 15-5 ranks are full of different killers and easier to get games ...
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@Marvel said: The matchmaking seems fine to me. This game allows friends to play together no matter what rank they are and match you vs a somewhat skilld killer. I never had an issue with that tbh ^^
Well, looking at it from a newbie perspective, it seems a mite unbalanced with what I saw in the rank range between SWF. Granted, that could just be a perception, as I'm new at the game with very limited hands-on experience.
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