Survivors need a BP gain perk too!
I'm tired of seeing killers run around with BBQ gaining vision AND bp. Why can't survivors have BP added as a stack to dark senses or we'll make it??? We're gonna live forever is alright but it has a very simliar effect to BBQs side effect of gaining BP for stacks and it costs a whole spot.
I would appreciate if BBQ loses the BP gain to make it fair or give survivors a similiar perk with a side effect just like BBQ.
It's hard enough to earn BP as a survivor...
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WGLF is the survivors BBQ Bloodpoint stack perk.1
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@Mashtyx1 said:
WGLF is the survivors BBQ Bloodpoint stack perk.it's not, we're gonna live forever grants only BP and no vision!
BBQ grants vision AND bp. how is that the same? Also the BP stack for killers is on a useful perk where we're gonna live forever gives you only bp. In addition to that it's much harder to get 4x unhooks as a single survivor than 4 hooks as a killers.0 -
Well they have to get people to play killer somehow. We’re a dying breed as it is.0
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I think there are more than enough killers proven by the point that at a higher rank queue times for killers get longer. If you queue as a survivor you always get into a game within seconds.
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Or that a lot of players aren’t rank 1 killers. My queue times are non existent as a killer, while survivors have to wait much longer on my platform.Marvel said:I think there are more than enough killers proven by the point that at a higher rank queue times for killers get longer. If you queue as a survivor you always get into a game within seconds.
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looks at No One Left Behind & We're Gonna Live Forever
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm0 -
Yes because survivors need aura reading perks to complement dat SWF
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Can we stick to the topic and not talk about how many players are rank 1 and SWF groups.
This threat is about survivors not having a proper BP gain perk that is actually useful in a game like BBQ.Yes there is a BP perk called we're gonna live forever but how often is that perk used compared to BBQ?
Rarely ever. And that is because we're gonna live forever has no other effect than giving you additional BP like a offering where BBQ gives you BP and vision (which is probably the most powerful tool you can have in the game). I'm not saying BBQ is op, I'm just saying survivors need a respectable BP perk as well.0 -
You have one already
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@MhhBurgers said:
Yes because survivors need aura reading perks to complement dat SWFWe already have those perks in Dark Sense and I think it would be the perfect counter part to BBQ. Even though I would suggest We'll make it would be a better fitting.
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No, I'm upset that in order to gain more BP you need to run a perk that gives you nothing but BP (no in-game effect). BBQ has some use and gives BP as a bonus, which I find great.
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@Marvel said:
@Mashtyx1 said:
WGLF is the survivors BBQ Bloodpoint stack perk.it's not, we're gonna live forever grants only BP and no vision!
BBQ grants vision AND bp. how is that the same? Also the BP stack for killers is on a useful perk where we're gonna live forever gives you only bp. In addition to that it's much harder to get 4x unhooks as a single survivor than 4 hooks as a killers.Survivors have perks that can read killers aura, location and items that let you do that too
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@HellDescent said:
You have one alreadyI think you need to use your Dream World effect on my original post to see clear. I'm not saying we don't have a BP perk as survivors. Read again if still unclear.
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@HellDescent said:
@Marvel said:
@Mashtyx1 said:
WGLF is the survivors BBQ Bloodpoint stack perk.it's not, we're gonna live forever grants only BP and no vision!
BBQ grants vision AND bp. how is that the same? Also the BP stack for killers is on a useful perk where we're gonna live forever gives you only bp. In addition to that it's much harder to get 4x unhooks as a single survivor than 4 hooks as a killers.Survivors have perks that can read killers aura, location and items that let you do that too
But not in one perk like BBQ! lol Why is the survivor BP perk a single perk where the killer perk is 2 in 1?
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BBQ is not 2 in 1 because it's 4vs1 (what kind of a logic is that even). It's 2 in 1 because killers hook and they want to reward them with BP for not face camping or tunneling (hooking individual players gives BP boost) and hanging people. Survivors behave altruistic and that's what We're gonna live forever does, it gives you BP for taking hits, protecting, unhooking etc. BUT it does not give you anything else than BP which makes it inferior to BBQ to a point that it's pretty much never used even though survivors could use a small BP boost perk.
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then your thread title is wrong, and no, its just as easy to get 4 tokens on either sideMarvel said:@Mashtyx1 said:
WGLF is the survivors BBQ Bloodpoint stack perk.it's not, we're gonna live forever grants only BP and no vision!
BBQ grants vision AND bp. how is that the same? Also the BP stack for killers is on a useful perk where we're gonna live forever gives you only bp. In addition to that it's much harder to get 4x unhooks as a single survivor than 4 hooks as a killers.0 -
Decent survivors can play perkless and still win easily. Most killers cannot say the same. Survivors can sacrifice one of their 16 perk slots for a "useless" perk. Hell, sometimes I equip nothing but WGLF just to give myself a challenge and I play survivor solo.
Balance the game first and then maybe we can put a secondary effect on WGLF.0 -
.> @Lowbei said:
Marvel said:
@Mashtyx1 said:
WGLF is the survivors BBQ Bloodpoint stack perk.
it's not, we're gonna live forever grants only BP and no vision!
BBQ grants vision AND bp. how is that the same? Also the BP stack for killers is on a useful perk where we're gonna live forever gives you only bp. In addition to that it's much harder to get 4x unhooks as a single survivor than 4 hooks as a killers.
then your thread title is wrong, and no, its just as easy to get 4 tokens on either side
I named the thread like that because we're gonna live forever sees very little play compared to BBQ. Yea I forgot that it's 4 individual hooks, the 2 in 1 bonus remains though
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My only gripe with WGLF is that getting tokens isn't consistently accessible or easy. Some games you get all of them very quickly, or you escape with 0... which happens a lot more than it should...
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@Esheon said:
Decent survivors can play perkless and still win easily. Most killers cannot say the same. Survivors can sacrifice one of their 16 perk slots for a "useless" perk. Hell, sometimes I equip nothing but WGLF just to give myself a challenge and I play survivor solo.Balance the game first and then maybe we can put a secondary effect on WGLF.
Not everyone is a great survivor player and especially new players could use a good perk to help them gain BP with the sheer amount of perks you have to unlock.
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@Eninya said:
My only gripe with WGLF is that getting tokens isn't consistently accessible or easy. Some games you get all of them very quickly, or you escape with 0... which happens a lot more than it should...My words exactly. It's not even that you get 4 or 0 stacks it's more like that it does nothing else but give you BP (if any) where BBQ gives you stacks + additional effect.
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Just add it to "We'll make it". I think that would be perfect but I would be okay with something like Dark Senses. Something that could actually be used^^
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IMO just trash We're Gonna Live Forever and make No One Left Behind a David King perk.
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@Marvel said:
Can we stick to the topic and not talk about how many players are rank 1 and SWF groups.
This threat is about survivors not having a proper BP gain perk that is actually useful in a game like BBQ.Yes there is a BP perk called we're gonna live forever but how often is that perk used compared to BBQ?
Rarely ever. And that is because we're gonna live forever has no other effect than giving you additional BP like a offering where BBQ gives you BP and vision (which is probably the most powerful tool you can have in the game). I'm not saying BBQ is op, I'm just saying survivors need a respectable BP perk as well.No, they don't.
Killers are supposed to be stronger than Survivors.
How would that core rule be supported by giving Survivors a Perk that's similar in power to Barbecue & Chili?1 -
That's because BBQ wasn't just designed for a killers BP gain, the added aura effect is to try and entice killers to leave the hook and go after another survivor for stacks, its an anti camping/tunneling perk by design.
WGLF was completely designed with survivors in mind for extra BP gain nothing else.
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@Marvel said:
@Mashtyx1 said:
WGLF is the survivors BBQ Bloodpoint stack perk.it's not, we're gonna live forever grants only BP and no vision!
BBQ grants vision AND bp. how is that the same? Also the BP stack for killers is on a useful perk where we're gonna live forever gives you only bp. In addition to that it's much harder to get 4x unhooks as a single survivor than 4 hooks as a killers.Welcome to the world of asymetrical game, killer perk are supposed to be 4 time stronger than survivor perk because their is 4 time more survivor than there is killer in the game
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BBQ needs the aura reading in order to give killers an incentive to leave the hook. Take that away and i guarantee you, that camping will go back to old levels.
It´s also easier to get WGLF stacks than BBQ stacks. Since BBQ needs a unhooked survivor for each stack. WGLF just requires you to get hit near a injured survivor.So you want to get another aura reading perk for survivors, because Kindred, Empathy, Bond, Alert, Dark Sense, Object of Obsession, Premonition and Spine Chill are not enough...
I agree tho, that we need more perks, addons and items that serve the sole purpose to gain more BP.
I had a reverse Distressing in mind, that reduces the terror radius perception for the survivor who has the perk equipped. Something that gimps the survivor for more BPs.All BP bonus perks/addons/items should give the bonus points post trial.
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Marvel what system do you play on?Marvel said:I'm tired of seeing killers run around with BBQ gaining vision AND bp. Why can't survivors have BP added as a stack to dark senses or we'll make it??? We're gonna live forever is alright but it has a very simliar effect to BBQs side effect of gaining BP for stacks and it costs a whole spot.
I would appreciate if BBQ loses the BP gain to make it fair or give survivors a similiar perk with a side effect just like BBQ.
It's hard enough to earn BP as a survivor...
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BBQ and Chilli is a perk designed from the ground up to encourage killer's to leave the hook. Nothing more, nothing less.
And I'd say it works as intended.
Survivors already have more than enough information gathering perks in their arsenal - it's just most of you refuse to run them in favor of your meta perks.
Hell, just Bond+WGLF will not only give you your point tokens, but you'll get more information and utility from Bond than BBQ n Chili gives the killer.
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There are four survivors.
There is one killer.
Perks for killers should not have equivalent versions for survivors. How does balance work?1 -
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@Thetruth said:
@Well_Placed_HexTotem said:
There are four survivors.
There is one killer.Perks for killers should not have equivalent versions for survivors. How does balance work?
Always a counter for everything
This is a perk used primarily for getting BP. Are you suggesting a Survivor perk that lowers BP for Killers? As for the aura reading, there are gameplay counters to it, since it's limited in range.
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There's always something to complain about right
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@Tsulan said:
BBQ needs the aura reading in order to give killers an incentive to leave the hook. Take that away and i guarantee you, that camping will go back to old levels.
It´s also easier to get WGLF stacks than BBQ stacks. Since BBQ needs a unhooked survivor for each stack. WGLF just requires you to get hit near a injured survivor.So you want to get another aura reading perk for survivors, because Kindred, Empathy, Bond, Alert, Dark Sense, Object of Obsession, Premonition and Spine Chill are not enough...
I agree tho, that we need more perks, addons and items that serve the sole purpose to gain more BP.
I had a reverse Distressing in mind, that reduces the terror radius perception for the survivor who has the perk equipped. Something that gimps the survivor for more BPs.All BP bonus perks/addons/items should give the bonus points post trial.
If a Killer wants to camp they're going to camp.
BBQ has nothing to do with it.
Anyone that says its easier to get WGLF stacks than BBQ stacks is just a biased Killer main that plays Survivor rarely.
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@Tizzle said:
@Tsulan said:
BBQ needs the aura reading in order to give killers an incentive to leave the hook. Take that away and i guarantee you, that camping will go back to old levels.
It´s also easier to get WGLF stacks than BBQ stacks. Since BBQ needs a unhooked survivor for each stack. WGLF just requires you to get hit near a injured survivor.So you want to get another aura reading perk for survivors, because Kindred, Empathy, Bond, Alert, Dark Sense, Object of Obsession, Premonition and Spine Chill are not enough...
I agree tho, that we need more perks, addons and items that serve the sole purpose to gain more BP.
I had a reverse Distressing in mind, that reduces the terror radius perception for the survivor who has the perk equipped. Something that gimps the survivor for more BPs.All BP bonus perks/addons/items should give the bonus points post trial.
If a Killer wants to camp they're going to camp.
BBQ has nothing to do with it.
Anyone that says its easier to get WGLF stacks than BBQ stacks is just a biased Killer main that plays Survivor rarely.
Some Killers stay near the hook for a time because they have no idea where to go next. BBQ gives them that direction.
Anyone who says BBQ has no impact on camping is just a biased Survivor main that rarely plays Killer.
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Another entitled survivor main not realising that bbq is there to reduce tunneling and camping. Hell, it should be part of the base kit for killers.
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You are kidding, right?Tizzle said:@Tsulan said:
BBQ needs the aura reading in order to give killers an incentive to leave the hook. Take that away and i guarantee you, that camping will go back to old levels.
It´s also easier to get WGLF stacks than BBQ stacks. Since BBQ needs a unhooked survivor for each stack. WGLF just requires you to get hit near a injured survivor.So you want to get another aura reading perk for survivors, because Kindred, Empathy, Bond, Alert, Dark Sense, Object of Obsession, Premonition and Spine Chill are not enough...
I agree tho, that we need more perks, addons and items that serve the sole purpose to gain more BP.
I had a reverse Distressing in mind, that reduces the terror radius perception for the survivor who has the perk equipped. Something that gimps the survivor for more BPs.All BP bonus perks/addons/items should give the bonus points post trial.
If a Killer wants to camp they're going to camp.
BBQ has nothing to do with it.
Anyone that says its easier to get WGLF stacks than BBQ stacks is just a biased Killer main that plays Survivor rarely.
If a killer wants to camp, then there are better perk choices than BBQ.
But BBQ gives non camping killers an incentive to leave. Of course, if all survivors hide nearby or behind a gen, then it will look for the killer, like everyone is nearby. Which will give the killer a reason to search the area. What survivors see as camping.
I play both killer and survivor on high ranks. And getting 4 stacks on BBQ is the equivalent of soloing 4 gens.
Getting 4 stacks of WGLF is: get hit while the killer carries someone, unhook, get hit during unhooking, getting hit again near the injured survivor (downed). All this can be done in 1 minute.
Everyone who left rank 20 as survivor knows that.0 -
@Marvel said:
Can we stick to the topic and not talk about how many players are rank 1 and SWF groups.
This threat is about survivors not having a proper BP gain perk that is actually useful in a game like BBQ.Yes there is a BP perk called we're gonna live forever but how often is that perk used compared to BBQ?
Rarely ever. And that is because we're gonna live forever has no other effect than giving you additional BP like a offering where BBQ gives you BP and vision (which is probably the most powerful tool you can have in the game). I'm not saying BBQ is op, I'm just saying survivors need a respectable BP perk as well."Can we stick to the topic"
Your topic is "Survivor need a BP gain perk too" and we already answered that THEY DO. So its you who doesn't want to stick to the topic and is instead suggesting survivors need an aura BP perk because Killers have one. If that's the case can Killers get a D-strike perk where they stab the survivor and prevent them from being able to wiggle until hooked? I mean survivors have one!If survivors and killers had the same perks ######### would be boring as hell.
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