Killers POV
So I think I read somewhere that some killers don't see the trials how they actually are, this bacause some of them don't really want to hurt innocent people they don't know, then the entity change the things they see
So what do you guys think some killers see
Trapper: The miners
Wraith: The soldiers or/and Azarov
Nurse: People of the Asylum, or maybe she see things as they are
Hag: The cannibals of the swamp or see things as they are
Spirit: His father and the bullies
Oni: The villagers and the "fake" samurais
Deathslinger: Bayshore
What's your thoughts?
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I think the plague thinks she is hunting the unfaithful and sacrificing them to the sea goat
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I've actually been drafting a post on this subforum compiling the fan theory stuff on this topic.
Trapper is absolutely not under it because he has signs of Entity torture, some of the most extensive aside from Carter. If The Entity's tortured it, any kind of illusions don't make much sense.
Nurse is almost certainly not under it either. She's absolutely unhinged and does not need persuasion to kill people.
Hag is also probably not under illusions because she's genuinely drinking blood and stuff. More likely that the supernatural process that turned her into the Hag has degraded her mentally. One could also speculate that her physical state is part of The Entity torturing her to cajole her into the Trials, as it seems like killing Survivors is pretty much the only way she gets to eat.
Well... That's because she is. She found A god.
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I'll just copy-paste a comment I did on this matter in another post because it's very long and I don't want to write it all over again. But in short, your idea might actually be true, just not on every killer you mentioned but just on Slinger, Billy, Wraith and Spirit.
I really like a lore theory that circulated around here some time ago called "Entity touched eyes".
What this theory basically says is that the killers with glowing white eyes (more specifically the wraith, hillbilly, spirit and deathslinger) don't see the actual survivors but people they hate instead.
So deathslinger for example doesn't see Dwight, Meg, Claudette ect... But the bullies that bullied him in the past and all the executives that took advantage of him like the prison warden, Bayshore and all his assistants.
This is also hinted at the end of Caleb's lore where it is said that inside the fog he saw the bullies, executives and Bayshore and the hooks for being able to dispose them.
So following this theory Hillbilly would probably see his parents, Chief and all the police officers that caged and made fun of him instead of raising and protecting him.
Wraith would see all the soldiers willing to kill innocent people he despised so much as a kid and obviously Azarov and all his assistants that turned him into an executioner without him knowing.
Spirit would probably see the bullies that beated and insulted her at school and her father as well.
Also as some side notes I personally have regarding these killers:
I don't know why but Deathslinger always striked me by his lore as someone that wouldn't kill innocent people just for the sake of it but only people that wronged him in the past. With this I'm not saying he is a good person because he clearly isn't as he enjoys the torture of his victims but I still wouldn't see him just going out in the streets and start shooting at random people just for the fun of it.
And with the recent Hillbilly tome I have the same sensation for him too. He seems extremely angry at the police officers and his parents exclusively. In his head however, he 100% understands the meaningless carnage he was doing and was tired of it, wishing his life was completely different and wishing he received some love like all the other kids did from their parents. He also even seems to understand that killing is generally a bad thing and after his liberation from his parents and police officers he would rather continue his life without killing. e
Regarding the wraith we all know how mad he was when he realized he was killing innocent people at the scrapyard so I don't need to say more about him.
Just saying that they do what they do because they made a deal with the Entity just doesn't cut it. Sooner or later Wraith would realize that he is being used by the Entity to kill innocents like Azarov did and Hillbilly and Deathslinger would too as well realized they are being taken advantage of like they were in the past by the parents/police officers/bayshore/prison warden. And all of them would hate it and refuse to be exlopited again by someone (or something) else, making the job of convincing them more difficult for the Entity. Way more difficult than just "modify" their eyes and deceive them into thinking they're killing the people they hate the most instead. Way simpler and faster than torturing into submission as well.
So this "Entity touched eyes" theory would perfectly explain why these killers that wouldn't really hurt innocent people that have done nothing wrong to them just start killing everybody without any hesitation or regret.
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I thought the damages to trapper were caused by the Alchemist when he trapped him in his basement to experiment on him
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Honestly this is a pretty interesting theory. I'll have to look more into it.
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I dont know about others but I know that Leatherface only attacks and kills because he is scared and worried that he will ashame his parents. For the Leatherface they are intruders that can harm him or his loved ones which is sad but what you expect from a cannibal family that just eat people.
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I don’t believe the “entity’s touched eyes” theory or that killers are manipulated into seeing things, but is true that you could make an argument that some killers are seeing things differently, like Deathslinger and Wraith, but others are almost confirmed to not be manipulated in that regard. I don’t think that the Oni is seeing anything, as he knows that he is trapped in the Entity’s realm and that it is manipulating it to raise emotions out of him, he is just too enraged at his situation to care, Plague as mentioned, doesn't need illusions, she is just obeying her god and if it commands you to die, you die.
Once opulent and well-tended by priests, the shrine was abandoned for unknown reasons. Season after season, the harsh and unforgiving weather corroded its grandeur. Paths that welcomed weary travelers, were now thick with vegetation growing damp and unrestrained. The sculptures were a haven for moss and lichen, concealing a scratched and brittle stone.
Kazan shuddered with rage as he stepped into the area. Unable to restrain himself, he unleashed his might on a statue atop the shrine, clubbing its arms and head to pieces. Even after he left, a rot seemed to pervade the air. The chime of bells played softly on the wind, as everything around them crumbled. Torn from Kazan's memories, the shrine now stood on the estate of this childhood home - a trick by the Entity that infuriated him even more.
The Spirit, I think as an onryo is too lost in her extreme feelings of rage and revenge to understand what she is doing, she is just lashing out against the living. Hillbilly is similar, he envies and hates others for not suffering like he did, and we know that he kept killing strangers that came into his house, so this would be similar. And in this camp the Twins are as well, as both of them are extremely hostile to strangers and other people.
Beings like Blight, Hag, Pyramid Head and Demogorgon are too alien(PH and DG) or trapped in their hunger (for blood and serum) to need manipulation of any kind.
We see in the mobile cutscenes that Trapper was tortured for not obeying the entity, so he sees what is really happening. Any killer that has been tortured is unlikely to have been manipulated into killing, which includes Leatherface(his addons mentions being tortured), Doctor and Nurse.
Then there are people like Legion, Trickster, Ghostface, Clown, Huntress, Shape and Nightmare that are just ######### enough to not care about killing innocent people.
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I'm surprised the entity doesn't kick myers or freddy out of his realm.
Considering myers is too evil and is so evil he is able to kill survivors by his own free will
and freddy is able to manipulate dreams and potentially the blood web
these 2 killers maybe are too powerful for the entity
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Your post makes it seem as if your theory and the entity-touched one couldn't coexist, but they do so perfectly. En3ermost didn't claim that all killers are manipulated into seeing things, just the one with entity-touched eyes, which, with the exception of spirit, don't clash with your theory.
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Yeah, but my personal opinion is that there is no enough evidence to prove the theory for any killer. I also don’t think that the “touched-eyes” are really a thing, that they are most likely just a design choice for the characters and don’t really follow the pattern.
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They follow it pretty well, IMO.
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Pyramid Head just sees a whole lotta sexually-frustrated, philandering widowers in need of confronting their own feelings of grief, shame, and loss.
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Hillbilly and Doctor have bright eyes, and they don’t fit the profile. However, my main issue is that, as I said, a design choice and BHVR always does weird things with the eyes of the Killers, like Trapper’s eyes don’t have pupils, they are all white, like he was blind:
Huntress, Clown and Leatherface’s eyes are completely dark, which to me is even more unnatural than glowing eyes. By that rule, the Entity changed them even more than the others. The Trickster has yellow eyes for some reason, despite nothing in his lore or power indicating that his eyes were changed in any way, he just has them to look differently.
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I have an issue with those statements.
Not sure what's going on with him in that screenshot, but Trapper's actual model has regular eyes as can be seen on the wiki. He's one of those killers the entity tortured into doing its bidding, hence all the metal spikes driven into his body.
Doctor's eyes aren't entity-touched as you can still see his pupils, whereas with entity-touched eyes, you couldn't. It also wouldn't fit his lore, he enjoys torturing people in an attempt to satisfy his morbid scientific curiosity, he doesn't need persuasion or coaxing. If anyone's eyes are glowing purely for design purposes, then it would be his.
Considering the lore of the killers with completely black eyes, that to me just signifies that they are the ones who enjoy doing the entity's bidding, the blackness of their eyes shows their lack of empathy.
However, these are my personal theories about the eyes (though I do subscribe to the entity-touched one) and ultimately, none of this is anything more than pure speculation until the devs either confirm or deny it.
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If you are talking about this image, that is a fan-art. The eyes of the Trapper are always like that, regardless of the mask(non-legendary of course) that you use, like here are the same eyes in his default mask:
That mask that I used before just allows a better look(and is one of his best).
You can see the pupils of Deathslinger in his trailer, so no, there are “entity-touched” eyes in which you can see them. Only Hillbilly and Wraith’s eyes are similar in design. And Max jr had them before reaching the Entity’s realm, as shown in the Archives.
I very much doubt that the black eyes means “lack of empathy”, because The Legion and the Trickster would have them, and technically several licensed killers like Myers and Freddy. And I would say that Leatherface is capable of empathy, as he loved his family and is only killing due to fear of the Entity.
Is all right, this is all just personal headcanon, my stuff as well.
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Yes, we'll have to agree to disagree.
Also, while it is fan-art, it's a render of Trapper's model regardless. I haven't seen those milky eyes on my Trapper.
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You are right, I was wrong, the eyes were a product of the body that I had selected. They look normal in his default body.
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I don't think that's the case It's not confirmed I do believe that the killers see the survivors as themselves
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